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# MasterMind-3 Review

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Pacific Northwest
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 Posted: October 23, 2003, 2:12 pm - IP Logged

Robert,

The main question seems to be how many previous draws to pick. In the first version of MasterMind 3 I did not reduce the predicted numbers by eliminating all of the entered previous draws.

A "potential" answer to this question is mainly based on the chances the player wants to take, or better how mnay numbers he/she wants to pick.

The know that the number to be predicted (the next drawing) will be a Single Number in 72% of the cases, a Double Number in 27% of the cases and in 1% of the cases a triple. If we eliminate previous the boxed numbers from recent drawings, the question is: What are the chances to reduce the number to be predicted.

To use a formula to come up with chances:

6/1000 *0.72 + 3/1000 *0.27 + 1/1000 *.01 = 0.00514

These are the expected chances that we get rid of the potential winning number for each previous drawing that we are entering.

So more or less every previous drawing that we are eliminating will add about half a procent to the chance that we eliminate the potential winning number from our selection.

What that means is:

If you are entering 20 previous drawings the chances that you are eliminating a winning number from the selection is only 10%.

With 50 previous drawings the chances are still only 25%. 66 drawings brings you to 33%. About 100 drawings gives you an even 50/50 chance that the winning number gets lost in the previous drawings.

Keeing this mind I would suggest (depending on the numbers that the system picks) that you should slect numbers between 20 and 66. That should be based on the maximum numbers you wnat to play.

Just some thoughts.

Good Luck

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 Posted: October 23, 2003, 3:36 pm - IP Logged

I have received the assistance I was looking for from Everett. Just wanted all to know. And thanks, emilyg for your response.

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 Posted: October 23, 2003, 5:08 pm - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by Timmer692002 on October 23, 2003

Quote: Originally posted by DreamLotto on October 23, 2003

Friends,

Those of you who had MOST WINS with MM3, can you please let us know AT HOW MANY draw histories did you have success and WHAT exact settings did you use?!

Thanks!

DreamLotto:

I've used only 25 history files. The only change I've made to the settings is to allow it to pick doubles.

You may want to do some checking to see how it does on previous draws.

Timmer

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Quote: Originally posted by Timmer692002 on October 23, 2003

Quote: Originally posted by DreamLotto on October 23, 2003

Friends,

Those of you who had MOST WINS with MM3, can you please let us know AT HOW MANY draw histories did you have success and WHAT exact settings did you use?!

Thanks!

DreamLotto:

I've used only 25 history files. The only change I've made to the settings is to allow it to pick doubles.

You may want to do some checking to see how it does on previous draws.

Timmer

Could you explain the 25 history files? what did you store in these files?

Did I understand correctly that this program does not store history?

Where does one find the trial version?

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 Posted: October 23, 2003, 5:56 pm - IP Logged

Willsell,

The system is based on a single previous draw and uses additonal previous draws to reduce the selected numbers further. "25 history files" meant 25 previous draws.

Good Luck.

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 Posted: October 23, 2003, 6:48 pm - IP Logged

TRIED THE FREE  demo

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 Posted: October 23, 2003, 8:36 pm - IP Logged

Lucky Cat, go with the default setting as far more wins come out of that area then selecting everything.  With about twenty past draws in the hopper you should be getting predictions in the mid twenties rather then 50.  We all hate to see potential wins like 012 and 789
go by, but that's the cost of stripping out some numbers for no valid reason other then the size of the target pool they belong to.

Try both wheels, one will do better then the other.  Play one, track the other so if one passes the other down the road you won't be in the dark about it.

If Pick-3 had casino odds, this program would play at a profit without worry.  Only the fact the state takes such a large cut makes Pick-3 a hard game to win.  You have to play a sizable portion of the potential return for a real chance to win, but you can choose to skip play days and to eliminate further numbers on your own.

It isn't a theory until you try to explain it.

If you want only two numbers, get Morris Bower's Super Lotto Master Gold, a little tricky as it must be installed on a dos machine windoze adds that ~ to the exe file name and then it won't run.  Then play its two picks daily, you'll win a couple of times a year if lucky could be maybe.

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 Posted: October 24, 2003, 4:45 am - IP Logged

bobp

in looking at the wheels a /b both had at least 35 choices

strings  I call them. now I did see in the groups a box of the next number. but if u have to play both or even 1 wheel a or b you are still

playing a lot of numbers.  I tried chart all ways.    can u tell me how to narrow down the choices??  and your actual experience helpfull

also saw that one draw was not in either  of a or b. so would have lost totaly if played 1 or both wheels.  any other tools???

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Hi Luckycat:

Anything I find for Florida may be all or in part opposite of what's trending in your state game.  Here's the thing.  With the previous Pick-3 softwares I've tried, I can't make them pick winners at all.  I have the history in front of me, I'm working my way down the list, I see the software trending toward the numbers and then miss it!  For me the experience has been the name brand software simply doesn't work for pick three.  It isn't like you can work out a strategy for making money, because the wins aren't on the table.

With Mastermind-3 the wins are there.  The question is how to play at a profit.

With Florida data I found the A wheel running at the defaults didn't drop below 30 picks until 40 draws were in the history, but the B wheel was below 30 picks with 30 draws in the history.

With Pick-3 there are big players and small players.  Those who shotgun a lot of picks should like this program.  If you only want to play a couple of picks you have to study your game to find places to trim the fat.  Chart variables so you can target the draw say allowing only all odd for example.

I'm still exploring ideas, like raising the bet after a loss to insure a return to equalibrum if I can depend on future wins.

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 Posted: October 24, 2003, 4:28 pm - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by BobP on October 24, 2003

Hi Luckycat:

Anything I find for Florida may be all or in part opposite of what's trending in your state game.  Here's the thing.  With the previous Pick-3 softwares I've tried, I can't make them pick winners at all.  I have the history in front of me, I'm working my way down the list, I see the software trending toward the numbers and then miss it!  For me the experience has been the name brand software simply doesn't work for pick three.  It isn't like you can work out a strategy for making money, because the wins aren't on the table.

With Mastermind-3 the wins are there.  The question is how to play at a profit.

With Florida data I found the A wheel running at the defaults didn't drop below 30 picks until 40 draws were in the history, but the B wheel was below 30 picks with 30 draws in the history.

With Pick-3 there are big players and small players.  Those who shotgun a lot of picks should like this program.  If you only want to play a couple of picks you have to study your game to find places to trim the fat.  Chart variables so you can target the draw say allowing only all odd for example.

I'm still exploring ideas, like raising the bet after a loss to insure a return to equalibrum if I can depend on future wins.

careful on the raising the bet until you win theory.

That one is used a lot at casinos and rarely do you come out ahead.

I like the program but it produces too many numbers. If I box all 30-35 and one comes out , then i am up maybe 50%. Now one might argue 50% aint a bad profit.Hmmmmm?

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Every time I convince myself to play only box a straight comes in and I think we have to have the straight/box wins in there to have any chance of profit over time.

The two wheels are alike and different like mirror images I think, as I can't produce a pointer number set to fool around with.  I am told it is a 5x5x5 positional wheel of 125 potential combinations as opposed to splitting the 220 box numbers into two equal sets and calling it a wheel.  A 5x5x5 can produce multiple box combinations of the same digits, so you can get a reduction by limiting them to one of the 3 to 6 possible boxed numbers.  The 5x5x5 wheel means the numbers are loaded in the positions where they are coming from which gives a certain amount of straight win potential over just playing some of the boxed combinations in numaric order.  Well actually the potential is the same, but far less fun to play with.  It does seem to result in a good mix of number orders going after the straight win rather then waiting for the next numaric order draw.

Doubling a casino bet after a loss when playing a system can and does work, until you hit the big loss resulting in ruin.  Up to a point while trying for a jackpot win in Pick-5 and 6, you can try doubling the amount played on a combination in the hopes of at least getting your investment back if you can hit a 3# win more often then probability suggests likely.  For example, if the 3# win pays \$5.00 after you've gone five drawings at a dollar a draw you start playing the combination twice per draw for \$2.00 total so a 3# win would be \$10. and pay you back. The game is random, anything can happen, even comming back to equalibrium.

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 Posted: October 25, 2003, 5:56 am - IP Logged

I found out this morning while playing around with it that it gives out the same numbers results if plugging in 20 history numbers or just the last drawn number, but just in a different number arrangement, ie, 305 would be 350 or 482 would be 428.

The good thing is that while testing it for VA, the day number was there for the last night number and so on.

Bad thing is it gave me the same quanity of number choices to choose from being over 30 numbers. I will post in the pick three section what the result are to be off of last night's number being 305.

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 Posted: October 25, 2003, 6:09 am - IP Logged

Hi,

I am just curious to know whether the generated number sets are playable for the next subsequent draws...?! And how many draws?! Anyone tried/tested this?!

Thanks!

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OK, numbers are posted. Now if I only could get it to narrow the selection of numbers down to below 20 with doubles included. We can't forget about doubles, they come out 1/3 of the time.

Also I live and work in NC. Better for me to play night numbers off last night night numbers. It's an hour drive for me and I usually give my playslips to someone at works who lives in VA to stop and play them for me on their way home. I'm sure there are people like me who live in a non-lottery state with the same problem.

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Quote: Originally posted by DreamLotto on October 25, 2003

Hi,

I am just curious to know whether the generated number sets are playable for the next subsequent draws...?! And how many draws?! Anyone tried/tested this?!

Thanks!

What do you mean by next subsequent draw?  Day - Day,,,Night-night ?  Because if that is what you mean, doesn't work well for VA.

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