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Posted: November 21, 2003, 12:20 pm - IP Logged

Some say that he couldn't do it, because after all, how could someone be so stupid?  I don't buy that argument, because there's a thing that happens to people who are so completely out of touch when they have that much money.  They feel that they can buy anything, and sometimes it's true (i.e., O.J.).

I hope it's not true more for the kid's sake than MJ's.

And the parents are more than just stupid.  I believe it's negligent behavior - which you can prosecute for.  It's like leaving a kid in a locked car with the windows rolled up - there's no proof that the car will get unbearably hot, but that "idiotic" behavior is criminal.

What do they think is happening when they leave their kid overnight, sleeping in the same bed with a 45-year-old adult with a history of child molestation charges?  Even if it was not proven in court, in my book that it willfully negligent.  Starstruck and stupid don't fly with me.

 

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    Posted: November 21, 2003, 12:51 pm - IP Logged

    Even if Jackson didn't do this, he has only himself to be blame. He has been accused of child molestation before and he admits and continues to have 13 year old boys sleep with him in his bed. He made himself an easy target. I think from what we know about his past indicates to me that he is a pedophile. You don't pay someone $20 Million in hush money if you were wrongly accused. You just don't do it. You set yourself up in the future to have false accusations made about you. Also, what is a characteristic that most if not all pedophiles share? They repeat their crimes over and over again. This may be the case with Jackson.

    For those who have said that he wouldn't do this because he wouldn't want to risk loosing his career, name, and fantasy life he lives, there is a simple answer for that. HE CAN'T HELP IT. He is sick and twisted. I am not a dad but I think it would be unusual for 45 year old dad to sleep with his 13 year old son, and definately sick for that same man to sleep with a 13 year old boy that is not his son. I'm sorry but this all just adds up to Jackson being a pedophile and in need of some serious help.

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      people's judgements have been clouded by "celebrity" for forever.              i guarantee you that there has been more than one parent who allowed their kids to sleep over at MJ's place after they had mental pause about it simply because of the celebrity issue.  they may have even considered the past allegations and STILL allowed it because it was MJ.  our society is littered with sweeping the sins of famous people under the rug solely because they are famous.  how about the many women who have slept with OJ after he murdered his ex-wife?  now thats insane. i don't want to see that MJ is guilty because i once admired his talent.  however i have to look at it objectively and objectively speaking he could very well be guilty.

      from abuse to when he was a kid to losing his own childhood to fame and fortune at a young age to forced isolation to fantasy life to living thru the lives of other children.  the transition to pedophilia would be a logical next step (for him). it started in his childhood and has steadily progressed over the years. it's possible.  to a pedophile of that level,  they view what you and i view as sick and twisted,  they view as a "form" of love.  and they will do and or say anything to gain that level of acceptance/approval that they have never been able to obtain in any other arena of life.  so when MJ said that he wouldn't "hurt" any child,  he meant it (in his mind).

      that being said, i still ascribe the innocent UNTIL proven guilty.  but if he is guilty,  he should not get any special treatment just because he is a celebrity.  but you can bet your neverland that he will.

      on another note,  any legal "minds" out there?  i just took my memory for a "jog" and realized that if this latest accuser is going to bank off of MJ like the previous one, i might as well get in line.  i "forgot"  that back in 1987 i was groped and fondled by my michael jackson doll.  i did nothing to provoke the attack.      i was wondering if the statue of limitations has gone past the alloted time for reporting this heinous crime.  which come to think of it is probably responsible for my gambling addiction which in turn is responsible for me being at lottery post.  i am off to 1 800 get-in-line-law to see what my options are.  maybe i will be on court TV. waaaahhooooo.

      still no winners on the booking numbers eh? 

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        Posted: November 21, 2003, 6:14 pm - IP Logged
        Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on November 21, 2003



        on another note,  any legal "minds" out there?  i just took my memory for a "jog" and realized that if this latest accuser is going to bank off of MJ like the previous one, i might as well get in line.  i "forgot"  that back in 1987 i was groped and fondled by my michael jackson doll.  i did nothing to provoke the attack.      i was wondering if the statue of limitations has gone past the alloted time for reporting this heinous crime.  which come to think of it is probably responsible for my gambling addiction which in turn is responsible for me being at lottery post.  i am off to 1 800 get-in-line-law to see what my options are.  maybe i will be on court TV. waaaahhooooo.





        Hmm... I was made physically ill watching that horrible shopping spree with the $2,000,000 vases on that dumb MJ "special" a little while back.... is there any cash value for that?

        (come to think of it, the same thing happens when watching MTV "cribs", especially the ones with sports stars [read "paid for playing a game"] rap "artists" [read "there's alot of money in stealing.. err "sampling" music from a few decades ago and talking over it"] and worst of all... BOY BANDS! [read "money for lip-synching and dancing with your "buddies" ])

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          Posted: November 21, 2003, 6:47 pm - IP Logged

          I guess I'll will put my 2-cents in the pot too. He already paid a "LARGE SUM" to one boy/family. Is this to say "I'm guilty? now go away.

          To me, that's admitting you're guilt.

          If he did it once, he's guilty this time too.

          My opinion...

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            I don't think he is guilty, however, I do think he is not so smart and has never matured mentally.  He is still a child but in a grown man's body.  How is it that he is a "child molester" but does not have sex with the child?  For the  crimes he has been accused of he has no  way of  proving his innocence  beyond a reasonable doubt.  How can you prove that you did not "touch" someone?  There are no fingerprints left over.  It is virtually impossible to prove your innocence unless someone is with you 24/7.  It is just like so many frivilous lawsuits claiming sexual harrassment.  She said he did and he said he didn't..it is just a matter of who the jury believes. In his first accusation, his attorney told him to pay off because he could not prove his innocence. It is the same thing now.  People want to get PAID!  They will steal all that you have to satisfy their greed...if you don't believe me..look at the greedy CEO's on Wall Street and the ones running the big corporations that steal millions from small investors like us.  I also think it is another form of lynching except now they don't use a rope, they use an accusation.  Even if he is found innocent, his career will not stand up to this..remember Pewe Herman who was convicted of a victimless crime?

            As for the parents, they need to be put in jail right along side of Michael.  And who knows, maybe they agreed to it.  "Well Michael for $200,000.00 we'll let little Petey spend the night." 

            Also, they could have gotten this idea from the TV...the show Law and Order has an episode like this where the rich guy has little boys spend the night but only in theirs, the guy does more than touch the little boy.  He also paid off the parents and kept paying them.

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              Posted: November 22, 2003, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

                I do not think he

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                vision according to the new law in california there will be no suing mj for money NO civil trials straight jury and conviction now in ga you can sue for civil damages and since you have been scarred for life after he touched you ,and you get ill after hearing WANNA BE STARTING SOMETHING,or BEAT IT we might have a case

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                  Posted: November 22, 2003, 9:02 pm - IP Logged

                  Let's wait on the "not guilty" thing until we know what's on the hundreds of video tapes that were stored in the secret room off his bedroom.  (Can we say "smoking gun"?)

                   

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                    Reported from a 5 year old,,, that woman looks weird.  lol made me laugh

                       

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                      littleoldlady,

                      if there is no "proof",  it comes down to a he said - he said standoff.

                      however 10 years ago the boy described in detail what happened between him and michael including a description of "little" michael that the boy could have only had if he actually saw it.  thats when michael jackson settled. 

                      the legal documents of the boys detailed description of what went on between him and MJ is now on the internet.  could the boy have been "coached"....yep.  but the progression matches exactly the behavior of a pedophile.

                      i think todd is right.  supposedly they found graphic/sexual love letters to the boy in that room.

                      i still hope that he is innocent but the more i weigh the past/evidence and set aside my emotions, the more it appears that they finally will stop his behavior.

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                        I still think he did it. And this time he is going to pay.



                        Source: the Daily Telegraph, Nov. 24, 2003 Edition

                        http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1260&storyid=534904



                        Jackson's explicit letters seized:



                        EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him.



                        Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.



                        "The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday.



                        "The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes.



                        "They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree of familiarity. Basically, they appear to be love letters from Michael to the boy."



                        The accuser, 12-year-old Los Angeles cancer victim Gavin Arvizo, also told police Jackson's pet name for him was Rubba.



                        "The boy first told this to his therapist, then repeated it to police," the source said.



                        "He said Jackson called him Rubba because one of the games they used to play was called rubba rubba. The boy said, 'Michael told me he was my rubba rubba friend."'



                        Although police handling the case in Santa Barbara, California, have been barred from revealing any details, it is understood the alleged abuse took place in February.



                        Jackson is said to have befriended Gavin -- who, during a controversial British documentary screened earlier this year, admitted having shared a bed with the singer -- over a long period.



                        A source close to 45-year-old Jackson said: "For the past five or six years, he's taken kids from fractured homes and nurtured them as a father figure. As they get older, he teaches them fun things to do.



                        "Michael says he learned this from an adult when he was a teenager. No-one on his staff ever said anything. He's a tyrant. Everybody obeys the man."



                        Another Jackson source said: "The boy told of everything that went on and described things in Michael's closets, his bathroom, what was under his bed."



                        In her statements to police, Gavin's mother, Janet Ventura, has revealed that Jackson encouraged her son to call him "Daddy".



                        Ms Ventura has claimed she, Gavin and his two siblings were held virtual prisoners at Neverland, 100km north of Santa Barbara.



                        When she learned of her son's accusations of molestation -- which included claims that Jackson plied him with wine and sleeping pills -- she fled with her family in the dead of night.



                        A source close to district attorney Tom Sneddon, who will prosecute the case, said: "The DA is very confident with the evidence he has. This includes letters, videos and computer files. They believe they have enough to nail Jackson."



                        Jackson's legal team is said to be encouraging him to consider a plea bargain, possibly an insanity defence that would allow him to serve time in a state mental hospital instead of jail.



                        There was speculation yesterday that the singer raised his $3 million bail with the help of Miami-based Al Malnik, a lawyer for notorious gangster Meyer Lansky, who died in 1983.



                        Malnik reportedly began making large loans to Jackson when his career nosedived.



                        Malnik, 69, was cited by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1980 and 1992 as a person of unsuitable character.



                        The prosecution source said: "It just gets weirder and weirder. Michael supposedly has financial problems, but hiring someone with Mob connections is bizarre."



                        Prosecutors are said to be spreading a net around the world for other alleged victims. One boy of special interest is said to be in El Salvador, another in South Africa.



                        They are also said to be considering quizzing the son of an English premiership footballer.



                        Charges of aiding and abetting are likely to be filed against members of Jackson's entourage.



                        At the same time as the Neverland swoop, police raided two homes in Los Angeles.



                        One was reportedly the residence of Marc Schaffel, a gay video producer who filmed the rebuttal tape Jackson released just after Martin Bashir's British documentary aired.

                             

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                            Posted: November 24, 2003, 3:43 am - IP Logged

                            i think his favorite numbers must have been 11-14. heh

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                              Posted: November 24, 2003, 5:18 pm - IP Logged

                              Hey Visiondude:

                              Ya didn't give us the MB number!

                               

                              Got to have that number for the "BIG" ...


                              Whhhooooooooooheeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaa


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