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Alice wrote a previous post that I responded to and it put a thought in my head about how others find the "hot pairs".

Hot pairs to me are the overdue pairs. But I use it on a combined mid & eve database for Pick3..............then I combine everything....Pick3 & Pick4, mid and eve and see what numbers are overdue for the complete Michigan all draws...

How do all of you find your "hot pairs"?

Interesting subject to pursue so let's take this thread and run with it.....LarryG, Lucky, BobP, LibraDave, and all the other predictors.  I think you are all awesome.  I would welcome your comments on your theories.

Sandy

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    Hello Sandy. I like to use the "Peachtree Pairs" here in Ga. that good oldgilla post each month. He separates the Midday and Evening draws and then post the Combined as well. As you can see each is followed by the last hit date for that particular pair. 

     The first thing I do each month is separate the 10 double pairs from the normal 45 pairs. The doubles only hit at half the rate as normal pairs. I then take the top oldest normal pairs from the the 45 and list them and try to find common numbers .....or likely combinations. I do separate the 2 draws. If you don't it forces you to play both games trying to trap a specific pair. I have never had much luck playing the combined pairs.   

     





    04 Ga MID Pairs              04 Ga EVE Pairs       
    00  1/24<12/20<11/24<8/200  1/14<11/28<9/8<7/8<6/14<5/12<1/1
    01  1/6<11/28<10/401  1/6<1/5<1/2<12/20<12/19<12/16<11/24<11/12<11/8
    02  1/21<12/25<11/10<10/2502  1/17<1/5<1/3<12/30<12/29<11/26<11/24
    03  12/2<11/7<9/2203  10/24<9/17<9/14<9/10<9/4
    04  1/6<12/19<12/18<12/2<11/24<11/19<10/2104  12/30<12/20<12/16<9/23<9/19<9/14<9/2
    05  11/28<10/2905  12/2<11/12
    06  1/2<12/25<11/27<11/19<11/1006  2/2<1/17<1/6<12/8<12/2<10/18<10/13<10/5
    07  1/21<11/10<10/3007  2/2<1/28<12/8<11/25
    08  1/24<1/5<12/22<12/20<12/18<11/27<11/1008  1/14<1/11<1/2<12/26<12/22<12/19<11/28
    09  12/22<12/19<11/709  1/11<12/29<12/26<11/25<11/8
    11  8/13<6/17<3/18<2/1711  1/25<1/20<11/23<10/8<9/29<9/18<9/5<8/20<5/23<5/22<4/25<4/15<1/17
    12  1/30<1/13<12/31<10/112  1/21<1/20<1/16<1/8<1/5<12/3<11/24<11/21
    13  12/16<12/11<12/4<12/3<10/2013  1/24<1/18<12/6<10/17
    14  1/13<1/10<1/6<12/31<12/16<12/3<11/26<11/314  12/20<12/16<11/14<11/7
    15  1/12<1/10<12/1<11/28<11/2615  1/24<11/12<10/19
    16  1/12<12/11<12/4<11/18<11/816  1/6<12/18<11/7
    17  11/3<10/2717  1/16<12/18<12/5<11/23<11/14<11/6
    18  1/30<1/29<12/1<11/18<11/818  1/2 <12/19<12/6<12/5<12/3<11/30<11/6
    19  1/29<10/20<10/13<10/119  1/25<11/30<11/21<11/8<10/17<10/4
    22  1/14<11/17<10/31<10/10<10/8<9/20<9/13<3/19<2/11<1/1422  1/22<1/21<1/8<1/3<12/10<11/26<11/18<9/25<6/25<6/11<5/3<3/11<3/9<3/8<2/24<2/10<2/8<1/25
    23  2/2<1/31<1/23<12/26<12/24<12/9<23  1/27<12/24<12/14<12/10<11/16<
    24  2/2<1/31<1/14<1/13<12/31<12/9<12/8<12/6<11/29<11/14  24  2/1<1/10<12/30<12/9<11/18 
    25  1/23<12/13<12/8<12/5<11/1725  1/27<1/23<12/14<11/22
    26  1/16<12/29<12/25<12/5<10/2326  1/23<1/17<1/10<12/13<11/22
    27  1/21<1/16<1/8<12/26<12/15<12/13<11/29<11/15<11/1327  1/16<12/13<10/28
    28  1/30<1/8<12/29<12/24<11/15<11/14<11/10<11/528  2/1<1/31<1/22<12/24<12/9<12/3<10/25<10/14<10/7<10/3
    29  12/15<12/6<11/13<11/529  1/31<12/31<12/29<11/21<11/16
    33  1/7<12/27<10/6<9/1<7/16<6/26<6/18<6/2<3/10<2/15<1/2533  1/18<10/30<10/11<8/23<7/12<6/3<5/28<5/8<4/14<3/27<2/7
    34  2/2<1/31<1/27<1/1<12/23<12/16<12/9<12/3<12/2<11/434  1/29<1/26<1/13<12/25<11/15<11/5
    35  1/23<1/3<12/27<12/12<11/2135  1/27<1/26<1/24<1/12<12/27<12/14<11/15
    36  12/23<12/11<12/10<12/4<11/2536  1/13<1/1<12/23<12/12<10/15
    37  1/20<1/15<1/3<12/26<10/337  1/15<12/12<12/11<11/10
    38  1/7<1/1<12/24<12/10<11/25<11/21<11/20<11/1238  12/27<12/25<12/24<12/23<12/6<10/30<10/26<10/20<
    39  1/20<1/15<11/20<11/7<11/4<10/2439  1/29<1/1<11/16<11/10<11/5<10/26<10/17
    44  1/27<9/30<7/29<5/29<5/28<4/19<3/14<2/20<1/3144  10/27<9/28<8/9<7/30<7/7<3/14<1/13<1/11
    45  1/10<12/8<11/26<45  2/3<1/26<12/7<12/4<11/20<11/15<11/10<11/1
    46  12/23<11/1946  2/4<1/13<1/10<11/20<11/13<11/10<11/7<10/22
    47  11/29<11/3<10/28<10/21<10/1847  1/19<12/28<12/1<11/17<11/14<11/1
    48  1/26<1/1<12/18<11/14<10/2848  2/1<12/28<12/25<12/9<12/7<12/4<11/29<11/13
    49  2/3<12/19<12/6<11/449    2/4<2/3<1/29<12/1<11/9<11/5
    55  1/9<12/12<9/8<7/10<4/21<1/155  1/12<9/7<9/3<7/23<6/21<6/20<5/20<3/28<3/22<3/6<2/9
    56  1/19<1/12<12/5<11/1<10/756  1/23<1/9<12/21<12/2<11/22<11/20<11/10<11/2
    57  1/3<12/13<10/2757  11/19<11/1<10/28<10/16
    58  1/28<1/16<1/9<12/17<12/1<11/2158  1/9<1/4<12/27<12/7<12/4<10/25<10/20
    59  1/28<1/16<12/17<11/22<11/159  2/3<1/4<12/21<11/19<11/2
    66  1/19<1/2<8/14<8/8<7/4<6/5<5/15<2/25<2/8<2/666  12/17<9/11<8/5<7/20<5/10<5/5<4/22<1/27
    67  2/4<1/16<11/10<10/14<10/367  2/2<12/18<12/13<12/12<12/8<10/29<10/21<10/18<10/16<10/6
    68  12/29<12/10<11/27<11/25<11/18<11/868  1/9<1/7<12/23<11/13<11/4
    69  2/4<1/22<11/1<10/269  2/4<1/1<12/21<12/17<11/4<11/2
    77  11/6<9/3<8/15<5/26<4/10<4/8<3/28<1/22<1/1077  1/28<1/19<1/15<12/11<11/17<10/12<8/25<6/27<3/15<3/13<1/16
    78  1/8<12/30<11/1578  12/28<12/5<11/6<11/3
    79  2/4<1/20<1/15<12/30<12/15<11/13<11/679  12/1<11/25<11/19<11/10
    88  1/26<1/5<11/12<10/16<10/9<9/16<8/18<8/12<7/28<7/9<6/7<1/388  1/7<12/22<11/29<11/27<11/3<10/1<8/15<7/15<7/13<6/30<3/30<3/7
    89  1/29<1/28<1/16<12/30<12/22<12/17<11/20<11/589  1/31<1/11<1/4<12/26<12/15<11/30<11/27<11/4<
    99  2/3<1/22<11/22<9/29<9/2<3/27<3/17<3/8<2/599  12/31<12/15<11/9<10/9<8/11<6/10<4/5<2/28<2/19<1/9



     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                           Win d    

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      I personally like to watch for a repetition of the pairs in each box order column.

      _South Carolina_____Mar 04
      _0___1___2___3___4___5___6___7___8___9
      003_189_247_348_489_568_689___________
      089_166_223_369_489_569_______________
      018_139_245_345_468___________________
      035_125_235___________________________
      012_137_238___________________________
      067_112_233___________________________
      049_129____
      068_____________
      023___
      058___             

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        Thank you both............very interesting indeed.

        Sandy

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          I use hot pairs to form my doubles...you have exposed one of my weakness...I guess I do track them when it come to locating them, I go back 30.- 50 draws and count reoccuring pairs.  Sometimes since the lottery is dynamic forever changing...I will look at the last 3 or 4 draws..for the evening game or mid-day game and see how long a hot pair has not showed up. I use them strictly on gut feelings.  I am sorry I cannot add anymore to this subject.

          If I used them today...I would post:454-400-000-500-004-655-616-611-535-181-

          from where I am sitting the hot pairs would be 45-40-00-65-61-53-18-remember I went back 50 days.

          Larry G.

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            Quote: Originally posted by JAP69 on March 21, 2004



             

            I personally like to watch for a repetition of the pairs in each box order column.
            To add a bit more to the post. In the last couple weeks I have been transferring my charts from a notepad to a spreadsheet and color coding the even and odd digits to see if color recognition will help in selecting plays. Looking for color by position to give me an idea of the hit and skip and what may be next on the even or odd. Got the idea of color from other posters on the forum.

            Red is even
            Blue is odd 

            _South Carolina_____Mar 04
            _0___1___2___3___4___5___6___7___8___9
            003_189_247_348_489_568_689___________
            089_166_223_369_489_569_______________
            018_139_245_345_468___________________
            035_125_235___________________________
            012_137_238___________________________
            067_112_233___________________________
            049_129____
            068_____________
            023___
            058___             




            Oo'Ka

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              Getting some good ideas o

              Sandy

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                When tackling the pick 3 game I believe breaking the game down into pairs is the best way to go. There are so many methods that can be used to arrive at a specific pair or pairs. To me a true hot pair is one that keeps repeating from week to week or even month to month. They are easy to spot, and once you find the trend, run with them. Often pairs will repeat in non-match combos and then double up. I used to play for the longest out pairs but found it to be more of a losing effort, why play whats cold when you can win on whats hot. I know a lot of people like to chase numbers and are dissapointed because so and so number doesn't fall. Thats why I beleive it is important to play off of repeat combos. When you see a combo repeat in your state play off its pairs. Another method for finding pairs would be to combine hot and cold digits. I suppose there is no wrong or right way to track pairs, you just have to figure out what works best for you in your state. Here in NY I have been very successfull using some of the above methods. Playing around with pairs can be an exciting venture, and ultimatley lead you into cashing in some winners.

                Jennilynn

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                   Sandy... you might want to keep in mind  the expected hit rate on a regular pair (the 45 non-double pairs) is5.4% or approx 19.71 times a year for a 365 draw game .......or once every 20 draws. If you include your Midday game and if it also has 365 draws a year (not 312 draws)..... the hit rate would be approx once every 10 draws

                   

                   

                  The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                         Win d    

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                    LarryG,

                    Do you separate the draws or use a combined Pick3 database?

                    WinD,

                    I use a combined Database for my pair picks; not so much for immediate but for the upcoming week.  A friend of mine, fbird, likes to use the separate databases.  I use the separate database for the upcoming draw keeping in mind the expected repeat from the previous draw.  Sometimes, you have to wait forever for this to happen....he has been waiting for 27 in Michigan forever...........

                    Using the combined database overdue pairs, they hit more frequently.  I use the previous draw numbers, and I have had success doing that.  For today, the 48 pair in the combined database has been out the longest for 45 draws, and the 18 has been out for 38 draws....so the combo with those would be 814 (it has a repeat from the previous draw of 628)...also the 14 is on the list also 3rd longest out at 27 draws.............so I would tend to lean toward 814-812-816-614-214 and then combining the 84-14-18 applied to the 1 digit repeat rule from the previous draw - 914-918-948-845-847-815.

                    It works for me and that is all that counts.  I then look at the separate Pick3 databases and look at what's hot, what's not, etc......

                    You need to do more than 1 thing to trap a number............you need I feel at least 3-4 workouts. 

                    Sandy

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                      I separate my draws...for the most part...most of my predictions will be on IL. Eve. Data....for all States It will be on the Data from all of the States Evening Game.. I very seldom use the data from the early game..unless...it is a new routine involved..or If I see each game is focusing on one number..then I will combine.

                      Larry G.

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                        I agree with Jennilynn, following pairs can be very rewarding...and my hot pairs are the most frequent "pair-makers" with their respective most frequent pair-mate.  Like Sandy, I have found that combining both draws is the way to go (but I don't include the pick-4's).

                        I keep track of them on a spreadsheet...I think you almost have to.  I started by going back 100 draws.  That was my end spot for the lead number...then you go back and start replacing your old pairings with your new ones.  I track all pairings, not just exact order.  For selecting my straight combos from the pairs, I put all the digits with their hottest pair-mate combos together, check for the last time they came in and play only those straights that are two or more times overdue as a straight in that particular (midday or evening) drawing.

                        Hope that makes sense and adds something to this interesting thread.

                        Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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                          Thanks Rick and Larry and Jap, WinD.

                          I can't believe so few people responded to this thread.

                          Everyone in here must have their own method of picking a number and most of the time it involves a pair................

                          Oh well.................just remember the old saying........."you get back what you give."

                          You all have a good night!!!

                          Sandy

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                            Oh, forgot...thank you to Jennilynn also.

                            Sandy

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                              Like you said Sandy, you get back what you give and if we can give something that helps someone out there it's all worth it.  None of us has all the answers but as a group I think we can beat this game regardless of the house advantage of 50%.  That's what this game is all about...winning.

                              Thanks for starting the thread...I hope the folks are listening.

                               

                              Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).