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Posted: March 26, 2004, 2:37 am - IP Logged

Again, I will point out that I'm not a critic of Steve Player's systems. I own several, including the Pick-4 MoneyMap and the Pick-3 CashOverlap systems and, for the most part, I have no complaints. It's true; you can't buy one and expect to win on your first try. His systems are designed to give the serious player the means to understand the games. That's why he only offers pencil-and-paper systems; the player is expected to put forth some effort in order to develop a mindset consistent with his or her chosen game. If this isn't for you, spend your money on software systems, such as LottoPro or MasterMind3, since these programs will do the thinking and calculations for you. I was extremely upset, initially, when I purchased the MoneyMap system, since I was unable to make it work in Indiana, but I won't go into that again here. If anyone should care to read my posts on the subject, look them up in "Lottery Systems."

I don't doubt that he is a real person, and I'm not arguing that point.  At the same time, however, I believe the email that Thomas Covenant has posted above is genuine, and I think Steve Player owes his loyal customers a response to the allegations. It seems to me that he, and OpCom, would be anxious to remove any doubt of his existence, since this situation could easily get out of control and could adversely affect future sales. After all, if there is a question as to whether he is real or a fictitious corporate persona, such as Ronald McDonald, how likely would one be to place an order? The question itself undermines his sincerity as well as the integrity of the product.

I receive one of his newsletters every three months or so, and they are always written in the first person. This leads me to believe that he's a living, breathing human being and, as I read, I get a picture in my mind of this man sitting in a dimly lighted room, which is strewn with loose papers and computer printouts. He is surrounded by a bank of computer terminals and dot-matrix printers, all of which are whirring furiously as they check results and crunch numbers for forty-two state lotteries. The clock on the wall, slightly askew and maybe just a little dusty, reads 2:17am, and I can hear the clacking of the keys as Steve frantically puts the final touches on the new issue of Players' Action Monthly, announcing his latest discoveries.

This is the picture painted by the words I'm reading, but I've never met the man, so these words could easily have been penned by a clever copywriter.

Words are very powerful tools, especially here in America, where the majority of the population, apparently, has lost the ability and the desire to think for themselves. We see a five-minute news story and assume we know all there is to know about the subject; if there was any more to it, they would have included it in the newscast. We have succumbed to a literal version of fuzzy logic; bananas are yellow, and the sun is yellow; therefore, we know the sun tastes like a banana. An extreme example, yes, but I think it illustrates my point: Americans, for the most part, tend to take things at face value; we believe what we see; we believe what we read. Does anyone here have a relative who pores over The National Enquirer every week, and then quotes it? Are they crackpots, kooks, eccentric? Maybe, but the last time I checked, there were about 16 million of them. That's their circulation. 16 million copies a week, and someone's buying them, and reading them. Does that in itself lend credibility to the magazine, or to the stories it publishes? 

Steve Player has nothing to prove to me, since proof of his existence won't alter his methods of playing the lottery games. However, he should realize that, as long as some people believe he's nothing more than a character created to sell lottery systems, then those people will tell other people what they "know," which will dventually cause a drop in sales of his products. People generally won't do business with people they don't trust. 

I sincerely hope I've clarified my position adequately. I've found it necessary to highlight some key words and phrases in red, as some of you often completely miss or ignore what I've actually written, or take a sentence out of context and then post an angry or irrelevant response, which in turn compels me to compose a wordy narrative such as this one on the same subject. I enjoy sharing my thoughts with all of you, and I find most of your own posts to be valuable, well-thought-out and intelligently written, punctuation and spelling notwithstanding. However, lest I be singled out for a flame party, I've noticed that most of you who have anything to contribute must often reply to responses to your own posts from members who obviously read something other than what you've actually written. For those of you who understand, I offer my thanks for your empathy. For those of you who will read this and think I'm speaking to or about you, well, flame away.

Continued good luck to all... 

Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

Jim

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    Posted: March 26, 2004, 3:09 am - IP Logged

    jim695 wrote:

    "After all, if there is a question as to whether he is real or a fictitious corporate persona, such as Ronald McDonald"

    Just ask any child or Willard Scott if Ronald McDonald is real?

    For the uninformed, Willard Scott NBC TODAY SHOW weather man was the first orginal Ronald McDonald in the 60s.

    Chas


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      Steve Player spends $500-$1000 on the Pick-3/4 games and wins more than he spends at the time of play when he hits the numbers.It's posted on the New Hampshire Lottery website the times he has won,how much and when he played he is a REAL person I know this because I was a subscriber to "Lottery Casino News" where he was interviewed by the Editor which was printed in the Magazine back in 1998.Also he WON the New York Lottery back in 1988 which he still recieves checks from as far as his systems are cocnerned it's a matter of personal preference before I started buying his systems I did some MAJOR research on them and came to the conclusion that he has a HANDFULL of systems that are worth purchasing provided your SKILLED at using and understanding lottery systems and aren't EXPECTING a MIRACLE.Yes the prices are EXPENSIVE but his systems are for PREOFESSIONAL players not Amateurs or players that are CURIOUS.All this stuff about whether he's REAL or making up stuff or whatever is irrelevant if you don't have the money,time or patience for his systems DON'T BUY THEM if you do then by all means GO FOR IT like someone said earlier he's been in business for A LONG TIME he's outlasted seveal lottery magazine publications that I once subscribed to that's how I found out about him.So if he's been SCAMMING players for over 20 yrs then I guess all his LOYAL customers have been BRAINWASHED somehow.Personally I could car eless whether he SPENDS more than he WINS or if his a REAL PERSON I get what I need from his systems and am quite satisfied like I said it's a matter of personal preference.For example Mike's Systems are PRAISED in this forum I have downloaded his Demo's and did not find any of his systems useful but I don't doubt they work or criticise whether he WINS using them or Loses more than he WINS.And finally the post about him spending $500,000 to win $295,000 doesn't make any sense to me the Object of gambling is to WIN more than you spent even if it's just ONE time, that's like me spending $1,000 on the Pick-3 when I know I will only get $500 for a HIT.Anyway whatever you decide make sure you know what your doing and what to expect a lot of player s haven't had any luck while others player have using his systems.I have a disk FULL of messages from satisfied players from various Forums.Some of my favorite Systems of his are "Cash-Overlap","Money-Map"

      "Prime-Line","Pay-Day 5","Hit-Zone" and "Cash-Trax" plus many others that I have or plan on getting.

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        Quote: Originally posted by jim695 on March 26, 2004



         ......  After all, if there is a question as to whether he is real or a fictitious corporate persona, such as Ronald McDonald, how likely would one be to place an order?  .......






        If Ronnld McDonald had his name of some lottery software,I would buy it.

        RJOh

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Speaking Of Steve Player I just got an advertisement today for a brand spanking new lotto program of his called Domino Plus. For only $149.95 he promises I'll make a fortune with it. Right, let me get my checkbook out. The only one whose bank account is getting fatter is Steve Player's or OPCOM or whoever's selling these systems.       

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            Posted: March 26, 2004, 6:17 pm - IP Logged

            lotto buster - you're smart.

            love to nibble those micey feet.

             

                                         

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              Posted: March 26, 2004, 6:27 pm - IP Logged

              >>>Also he WON the New York Lottery back in 1988 which he still recieves checks from<<<



              Well, I have decided to stop playing quick picks and just pick randomly on a playslip. That way if I win, I can sell bogus lottery systems for years after the win. If I used a quick pick, everyone would know I didn't use a system.


              Okay, now I believe you can predict lottery numbers


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                He used one of his Lottery Wheels he developed at the time to WIN the Jackpot and his systems are only Bogus to the players that don't know how to use them.I didn't have any luck with Mike's system but I can't say there bogus because other players have won using them.I hope you do well with the systems you sell after you WIN I'm quite sure you'll find plenty of customers.Quick-Picks work well for hitting a JACKPOT but not for everyone that's why I use my own number selector "MY BRAIN".

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                  Posted: March 26, 2004, 7:12 pm - IP Logged

                  The Prime Line 3 is the best Player offers.  Combine Prime Line 3 with Player's Multiple Stage Wheeling for extra punch.  These two are valuable.  The rest are a waste of money.

                   

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                    Posted: March 26, 2004, 7:15 pm - IP Logged

                    How well have you done using both systems? I have the Prime-Line 3/4 and the Pick-4 MSW System I think I'll combine the Prime-Line 4 with the Pick-4 MSW

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                      Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on March 26, 2004


                      He used one of his Lottery Wheels he developed at the time to WIN the Jackpot and his systems are only Bogus to the players that don't know how to use them.I didn't have any luck with Mike's system but I can't say there bogus because other players have won using them.I hope you do well with the systems you sell after you WIN I'm quite sure you'll find plenty of customers.Quick-Picks work well for hitting a JACKPOT but not for everyone that's why I use my own number selector "MY BRAIN".


                      I remember that, he did win but as part of a group of winners he was a part of (like an office pool) and it was a relatively small prize compared to prizes these days.  His share wasn't enough to retire on, but it does make him one of maybe the only lottery expert to win a big league lottery for himself. BobP

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                        Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that group was an Office Pool I believe it was a bunch of his customers or followers that played the same numbers he selected.He played the numbers as well so he WON along with them how many won I don't know or the exact amount he won.But I know the money helped him with his Lottery System pursuits and he does quite well with the money he makes from his systems selling and using them.

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                          Yes, well, this was my own fault, wasn't it?

                          Allow me to reiterate:

                          After all, if there is a question as to whether he is real or a fictitious corporate persona, such as Ronald McDonald, how likely would one be to place an order? The question itself undermines his sincerity as well as the integrity of the product.

                          For those of you who still can't manage grasp the the point, "such as" means "similar to," or "like" the example cited. Get it? If not, I guess I could take a few hours and explain it to you.

                          I missed ONE, and should have realized that some people would glom onto it. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that I said Ronald McDonald sells lottery systems. For the record, I will state that, to the best of my knowledge, he does not, nor does Steve Player sell cheeseburgers.

                          Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

                          Jim

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                            Jim,

                            Kick it down a notch.

                            A sense of humor goes a long way!

                            I do love your signature, it's one of the best I have ever seen!

                            Living the dream




                             


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                              Pearl,

                              Webmaster LeRoy here I have read with interest your original question and side with lottotwister.

                              I too have spent big bucks on steve player for the last at least 10 years maybe more.

                              I own everything from the money map for the pick 3 and 4 to the hitwheels and none of them were cheap heck the combine money map alone was almost an $800 money order alone

                              That was before I met and enjoyed Mike K's wonderful and working programs [buy Mike K - enough said]

                              With the above said I am with lottotwister because I know what I am getting into when I purchase steve players system his methods employ telling us professional players many things the average person doesn't see.

                              Well, we can't make the decision for you but if you want working systems with low prices buy Mike K's programs.

                              And for the Pick 3 Start With the Wild Wheel 3.

                              Webmaster LeRoy