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Missouri Goes To Computer Generated Draws

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LottoMonkey's avatar - lotologo
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January 8, 2004
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Posted: July 20, 2004, 2:12 pm - IP Logged

News Story

According to the above news story it appears that the Missouri Lottery has started using a computer to pick their numbers. Any opinions about this good or bad? Is there anywhere that details how lotteries go about making sure that the coumputer generated numbers are really random?

    LosingJeff's avatar - flower
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    February 2, 2004
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    Posted: July 21, 2004, 7:21 am - IP Logged

    There is one good thing about RNG. You will never have to worry about using a system to pick your numbers each day. You might as well not bother. Might as well use birthdays or any number that enters your brain housing group. There is no logic to RNG, and it certainly doesnt have anything to do with odds.  I started playing the lottery 6 years ago and have never won a straight combo. If I had to do it again I would have invested my money in order to avoid bankruptcy. I am not a gambling addict because I have used a system to determine my numbers---needless to say, no system will help you with RNG. Keep your money and invest it!

      BobP's avatar - bobp avatar.png
      Dump Water Florida
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      June 5, 2002
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      Posted: July 21, 2004, 2:56 pm - IP Logged

      Yes the web site confirms the bad news is true the games will be ruined.

      Everyone, whether you live there or not please take the time to visit the
      site and use the contact form to tell them not to do this as players hate
      the draws being faked by computer.

      You have to give your email, but you can fake the phone# just remember
      to include the - marks ie: xxx-xxx-xxxx or they ask for it again.


        BobP's avatar - bobp avatar.png
        Dump Water Florida
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        Posted: July 22, 2004, 4:20 am - IP Logged

        Here is the reply I received from the Missouri lottery, they pretty much repeat the press release to justify their actions as if I hadn't read it.  Please take a minute to visit http://www.molottery.state.mo.us/ and use the contact form to let them know these fake drawings are not wanted by real lottery players. BobP

        Dear Randy:  (Yup, even got my name wrong.)

        Thank you for your concerns and comments, I am sorry you feel so
        strongly about the computerized drawings.  I would like to take this
        opportunity to explain to you why we changed the way the numbers were
        drawn and to assure the security of the new computerized drawings and
        integrity of the Missouri Lottery.  The Lottery's new draw system,
        which utilizes computers and random number generation to select winning
        numbers, just began drawing Pick 3, Pick 4, Show Me 5 Paydown and Lotto
        on July 19, 2004. 

        The new 3-D animated draw show will be broadcast at the regular time
        (6:57 p.m.) on participating stations. Fox Channel 2 KTVI out of St.
        Louis, has agreed to continue televising the nightly draw show and all
        draw shows will be available on our Web site, (www.molottery.com)
        through a streamed video. The Missouri Lottery already uses an automated
        draw system to draw the winning Club Keno numbers, which are broadcast
        on monitors at more than 725 retail locations. 

        The Missouri Lottery's decision to convert from traditional numbers
        draws to computerized drawings will save the Lottery more than $80,000
        annually and avoid having to replace $192,000 worth of older (10-18
        years), and increasingly unreliable, drawing equipment.

        Automated draws are an industry trend. Thirteen other lotteries
        including California, Lotto-Quebec, Kansas, Delaware, Oregon, Minnesota,
        Colorado, Idaho, South Dakota, Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Nebraska and
        Indiana have already converted from traditional drawing machines to
        computers and random number generation for all or part of their on-line
        game drawings. Powerball, which is currently being drawn on traditional
        draw machines from Des Moines, Iowa, is considering a conversion in the
        upcoming months. By utilizing computers, random number generation and
        animation, lotteries have reduced costs including personnel and
        production, while updating the look of the draws and preserving the
        integrity of the Lottery.  No lottery has reported a decrease in sales
        as a result of the change.

        The Lottery's new automated system utilizes a variety of new
        technology to improve security of the draws. The new computerized system
        software, aptly named ODDS (Online Daily Draw System), is loaded on to
        three independent PCs that are housed in a secure draw room located next
        to the Lottery's main computer room at headquarters in Jefferson City.
        These draw computers are not connected to the internet or any other
        network source. The room has no other phone or data lines from which to
        send or receive information.

        Utilizing three different PCs adds to the randomness of the overall
        system. The selection of which draw machine will be used is determined
        by a random drawing prior to the draw. Each of the three machines has an
        independently certified random number generator device, which generates
        random numbers using "thermal" and "amplifier" noises collected
        from the computer.

        The draw machines are networked to a file server, which will provide a
        common repository for draw information. A digital video feed provides a
        detailed record of everything that occurs on the drawing computers.
        Special motion-activated video cameras will videotape every action on
        the draw computer and in the draw room 24/7.

        Multiple video monitors are configured so that draws can be
        simultaneously viewed by draw personnel, computer operations and anybody
        interested in viewing the draws from outside the draw room. Login access
        to the draw room and each draw machine will be protected by fingerprint
        recognition hardware and software. Only designated draw personnel will
        have access.

        The Lottery's new automated system will be operated by a draw manager
        and independent auditor, who will conduct series of system pre-tests and
        the actual draws. Prior to conducting pre-tests and draws, the new draw
        system utilizes special "CDCK Check Digit" software to determine if
        anyone has tampered with the draw equipment since the last draw. After
        confirming that no activity has taken place since the last draw, the
        draw manager will conduct a chi-square pre-test for all games to ensure
        the Random Number Generator is working properly. After this
        confirmation, the drawings will take place. The new system is designed
        to permit only one drawing of a game per draw date.

        The Lottery's computer operator will monitor the draws, via a monitor
        in the computer room adjacent to the draw room. After the draws are
        completed, and the winning numbers are verified by the draw manager,
        independent auditor and computer operator, the winning numbers are
        disseminated to the public through the Lottery's retailers, Web site,
        hotlines and various media outlets.

        The Lottery's new draw system has undergone numerous independent
        tests and certifications to guarantee randomness. Dr. Paul Speckman, a
        professor of statistics at the University of Missouri, conducted a
        "Die Hard" test on the Lottery's new Random Number Generator
        hardware. In addition, Gaming Laboratories International (GLI), an
        independent testing lab for gaming regulators, certified the Lottery's
        new ODDS (Online Daily Draw System) software, Random Number Generator
        hardware, draw procedures as well as the physical security of the new
        draw room. In addition to daily chi-square pretests conducted by the
        draw manager and independent auditor, the Lottery's Security Division
        will conduct monthly Random Number Generator Meter tests to ensure
        system randomness over time.

        The Lottery's new draw process will include a more entertaining 3-D
        Animated Draw Show.  The Lottery's winning numbers will be entered
        into a special graphics computer located at the Lottery's LETS studio,
        which will generate a broadcast-quality 3-D animated draw show. The
        animated draw show will continue to be uplinked at 6:57 p.m., statewide
        for rebroadcast on participating television stations (KTVI-Fox 2 in St.
        Louis, as well as stations in Hannibal and Kirksville).

        The Lottery's initial animated draw show will be a 3-D version of our
        old draw machines drawing the winning numbers. In the future, the
        Lottery will develop a variety of more fun and entertaining animations
        to present the winning numbers.

        You will also be happy to know the Missouri Lottery will be expanding
        from one to two drawings a day on July 26th for Pick 3, Pick 4 and
        Show-Me 5 Paydown.  The drawings will now be held at 12:57 p.m. for
        Midday and 6:57 p.m. for Evening, so players have will have twice the
        chance to play each day and twice the chance to win!  You can continue
        to play your favorite daily game (Pick 3) for the 6:57 p.m. Evening
        drawing and now if you choose to participate in the Midday drawing at
        12:57 p.m., you can purchase a ticket for that drawing as well.
        The way to play Pick 3, Pick 4 and Show-Me 5 Paydown will not change
        with the addition of the Midday draw.  The chances to win are same, the
        cost is the same and the prizes are the same, with a few notable

        * Pick 3's Top Prize Increase to $600
        * Pick 4's Front 3 and Back 3 Payouts Increase to $600
        * Both Pick 3 and Pick 4 Now Have The Highest Payouts Around!

        The Lottery's Midday and Evening drawings will continue to be
        recorded and video-streamed on the Lottery's Website. Midday draws
        will not be broadcast on television, but will be streamed to the
        lottery's Web site. Other sources for Midday draw numbers will include
        Check-A-Ticket machines and on-line terminals at retail, as well as the
        local winning numbers hotline.

        Thanks again for your interest in the Missouri Lottery.  If you have
        further questions and concerns, please don't hesitate to write back or
        call 573/751-4050.

        Have a wonderful day!


        Linda Harvey
        Customer Care Unit
        Missouri Lottery


        I just want you to know your making the draw computerized will ruin the
        games and drive away all of us who try to pick our numbers.  Lucky for
        me I can play else where because these games are now trashed as you will
        learn, the money you think you are saving will be lost ten fold as
        players give up on the game in favor of honest games they have a chance
        to win. Please forward a copy of this to someone who makes decisions on
        this matter. 

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          Posted: August 19, 2004, 8:37 pm - IP Logged

          It appears Mass will be next.

            bobby623's avatar - abstract
            San Angelo, Texas
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            January 31, 2003
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            Posted: August 20, 2004, 10:59 am - IP Logged

            Amazing how greedy lottery officials can avoid giving straight answers. Everyone would expect the lottery computer would be protected, have limited access, etc. These are given. The major question I have is about the software and whether or not it is programmed in ways to increase lottery profits. This could be done by setting thresholds which limit the number of wins in any given prize level, including the jackpot. Given the speed in which computer run, it would be easy to have software that chooses between unsold combinations. It would appear the computer is random, but it wouldn't be.

            Folks in Missouri ought to write letters to the editor and politicians demanding the lottery give outside obsevers a chance to examine the software program to ensure players get a fair shake.

              psykomo's avatar - animal shark.jpg

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              Posted: August 20, 2004, 11:26 am - IP Logged

              TO: My Opinion and anyone else:

              Everyone and every "yeawho" is trying to invent and sell the perfect RNG....dope-a-rope etc!!!!!! RNG System.????

              Where are the STANDARDS? Who are the STANDARDS? Who are the(IQ-smart-wart) PC people who think the system they chose represent the STANDARD. (WHAT STANDARD?)(Atomic... Clock, etc.....yea, sign up for the Atomic RNG!!!!!!!!)

              I enjoy eating (1) ping pong ball each week, (52)OH, Ho, OH...ahhh...per year. Yes, I pertake of condiments with this highly secret system. (use (7) herbs & spices for best results.) Cannot go into futher details .......but I am able to WIN with them BALLS................PSYKOMO