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Drug dealer must forfeit lottery jackpot

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konane's avatar - wallace
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Posted: August 19, 2005, 10:03 am - IP Logged

Seems the forfeiture has been based upon the lottery winner not being a US citizen and committing a felony on US soil. 

Also since he had no previous verifiable job history, it was illegal funds received through drug trade which purchased the ticket  .... therefore he didn't legally own the ticket in the first place.


Good luck to everyone!

    KyMystikal's avatar - 1457224010054
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    Posted: August 19, 2005, 11:46 am - IP Logged

    My question is WHY would someone who just won 5.5 mil be still selling drugs???

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      Posted: August 19, 2005, 11:55 am - IP Logged

      Likely he already had commitments he couldn't free himself from easily.

      The people who carry drugs across the national boundaries have to live with a constant readjustment process.  Where they come from there's not a large body of opinion assigning the 'wrong-right' judgements to the drug issues.  It's all a matter of legal-illegal, with the legality up for grabs depending on the connections.

      But once they come into this country they have to rearrange their thinking to keep in mind that the legal/illegal part of the equation is structured and the payoffs a lot more subtle, there's also a mindset among middle class citizens that it's both illegal and immoral, worthy of long-term prison sentences and confiscation of property.  Even the portions of each layer of society involved in addictive or recreational drug use pay lip service to this condemnation, when they're outside their immediate circles.

      This guy had a timing problem, a maladjustment problem, a culture shock of sorts. He was out of step with US legality and morality.  Now he's taken care of  at taxpayer expense for the next quarter-century.  Serves him right, I suppose.

      Jack

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        Posted: August 19, 2005, 12:26 pm - IP Logged

        He WON the jackpot fair and square, if I found a dollar on the street bought a ticket and WON or bought a ticket after cashing my pay-check and WON your still winning it shouldn't matter where the money came from.(just my opinion) now if he killed someone for the money too play then he definitely doesn't deserve it.

          konane's avatar - wallace
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          Posted: August 19, 2005, 12:54 pm - IP Logged

          He WON the jackpot fair and square, if I found a dollar on the street bought a ticket and WON or bought a ticket after cashing my pay-check and WON your still winning it shouldn't matter where the money came from.(just my opinion) now if he killed someone for the money too play then he definitely doesn't deserve it.

          It would be a similar rule of law applied on the Federal level is he had robbed a a bank, getting the money in an illegal manner .... making the money he got through possession with intent is not lawfully earned by him.  Whatever is gained by using illegally obtained money is considered not the property of the person who got it and subject to seizure.

          Similar ruling applied to this Lottery Post article .....

            http://www.lotterypost.com/news/118343.htm 

          Finding a dollar on the street is a different matter especially if no one is looking around trying to find what they'd lost saying they lost it.  You wouldn't be stealing anything.

           

          Good luck to everyone!

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            Posted: August 19, 2005, 1:08 pm - IP Logged

            He WON the jackpot fair and square, if I found a dollar on the street bought a ticket and WON or bought a ticket after cashing my pay-check and WON your still winning it shouldn't matter where the money came from.(just my opinion) now if he killed someone for the money too play then he definitely doesn't deserve it.

            Have to disagree with you Pick 4 Master. There is nothing illegal about finding a dollar on the street and using that money to buy a lottery ticket. But using money from ill-gotten gains (drug money) to buy a lottery ticket and any winnings from that ticket or buying anything else (houses, cars, boats, etc.) gives the gov't the power to seize anything you own. I am not an advocate for an over-empowering gov't but but I do agree with this decision.

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              Posted: August 19, 2005, 1:08 pm - IP Logged

              I would think the Feds are checking the income status of any one who wwins over $5K, which is the amount the states start notifyiing the Feds of winnings. I hit for $5K and less than amonth later received notice the IRS was auditing all my taxable records. If you hit a BIG one, you have to know the IRS is going to check you out. No tax record has to be a red flag. Yoou either previously died of starvation or haven't been totally honest some where down the line.

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                Posted: August 19, 2005, 2:08 pm - IP Logged

                If legality and honesty are synonyms then all's well here. 

                The guy was convicted.  Therefore he was illegal and dishonest by virtue of his illegality, for which he was convicted and will serve a quarter-century.

                The court, which by definition is honest, determned his ownership of all that jackpot money was illegal and therefore dishonest.

                The Feds behaved honestly and legally in confiscating the money because the court so ruled.

                I'd really never considered that facet of things.  New Mexico, Texas, Arizona and California have an enormous number of dishonest (illegal) aliens in the workforce moving freely around among the general population.

                But in this instance, we can relax.  This dishonest guy has been sent where dishonest folks ought to be, and the honest judges and cops have protected us from him, while enriching the coffers of their agencies.

                Jack

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                It's about number behavior.

                Egos don't count.

                 

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                  Posted: August 19, 2005, 2:54 pm - IP Logged

                  drug dealer - he needs to rot in jail - period.

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                    Posted: August 19, 2005, 3:14 pm - IP Logged

                    I disagree with the basic concept of state or federal property seizures of lottery winnings, if the ticket was legitimately purchased by the claimant, that is, not stolen from someone else.  That is additional, excessive punishment for a crime that he has already been punished for.  He paid his dollar and took his chance like everyone else.  If a slimy drug dealing criminal wins, so be it, but that is what happens in games of chance. If the government doesn't like that idea, let them cancel the lottery.

                    In this case, he was not arrested or convicted when he bought the ticket and was issued the check, so taking the money afterwards is an even more despicable government act.  This sets up the possibility that any winner could be set up and arrested after winning the lottery with the intent of seizing winnings.  I don't like that idea, do you?

                    >But using money from ill-gotten gains (drug money) to buy a lottery ticket and any winnings from that ticket or buying anything else (houses, cars, boats, etc.) gives the gov't the power to seize anything you own.

                    If you spent $90,000 of drug money on a boat, then you had and spent $90,000. In this case, he spent $1 on a $1 lottery ticket.  The winnings are not what he spent.  If the government does have a case to seize, they should only be entitled to seize the dollar he spent on the ticket.

                     

                     

                     

                     


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                      Posted: August 19, 2005, 3:19 pm - IP Logged
                      By what right does the government have to confiscate property
                      purchased with supposedly illicit money?  Is this part of the Patriot
                      Act that has stolen many of our rights?
                       
                      Here is another example:  The U.S. attorney in San Diego is trying to
                      seize (D)Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham's California home, asserting in
                      a sealed civil suit that it was purchased with proceeds from a violation
                      of the bribery statute. 
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                        Posted: August 19, 2005, 4:34 pm - IP Logged
                        By what right does the government have to confiscate property
                        purchased with supposedly illicit money?  Is this part of the Patriot
                        Act that has stolen many of our rights?
                         
                        Here is another example:  The U.S. attorney in San Diego is trying to
                        seize (D)Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham's California home, asserting in
                        a sealed civil suit that it was purchased with proceeds from a violation
                        of the bribery statute. 

                        It's part of the War on Drugs and money laundering legislation that was passed during the 80s and early nineties.  It's been going on a while.

                        The only rights you have are those the government allows you.  This isn't an issue involving ideals, or 'rights'.  It's an issue of what the government is allowed to do (allows itself to do) to any citizen it sees fit.

                        If the court says what they did is legal, by definition it's legal.

                        Nobody's been asked to vote for, nor against it in a referendum.  It is reality.

                        As Chewie says, if you don't like it, burn your borth certificate.

                        Jack

                        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                        It's about number behavior.

                        Egos don't count.

                         

                        Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                         

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                          Posted: August 19, 2005, 4:36 pm - IP Logged

                          drug dealer - he needs to rot in jail - period.

                          I'd a whole lot rather they just killed Americans than send them to prison for doing things you don't like.  That way the taxpayers don't have to feed and water them for the rest of their lives.

                          This send-them-to-prison to rot mindset is one of the things that's running this nation into bankruptcy.  It's not doing a lot for the prisoners, either.  The whole system is a revolving door retirement system for lawyers, judges, cops and prison establishments.  I think it's time people demanded the costs be cut.  If it's an offense that people consider serious enough to send a man to prison for a quarter century, kill him and get it over with. 

                          If it's not that serious, tie him to a rail and give him 20 lashes and turn him loose.  If he does it again, 30 lashes.  If he does it again, kill him.  Prison isn't working.

                          On the other hand, I totally disagree that possession of anything short of a hydrogen bomb is a criminal act, except in the minds of people who favor punishing victimless crimes and a government willing to pander to the desires of those people to steal their rights and gain more power.

                          Jack

                          Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                          It's about number behavior.

                          Egos don't count.

                           

                          Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                           


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                            He's a 52 year-old drug dealer. It's costing the US a lot of money to capture, try, and incarcerate these career criminals.  If they're making a profit off of their business while the public foots the bill for the societal costs, I see no problem with the government recovering these costs in some manner. 

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                              He's a 52 year-old drug dealer. It's costing the US a lot of money to capture, try, and incarcerate these career criminals.  If they're making a profit off of their business while the public foots the bill for the societal costs, I see no problem with the government recovering these costs in some manner. 

                              finally - a sane voice.

                              love to nibble those micey feet.