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Posted: August 19, 2005, 8:47 pm - IP Logged

the whole concept of the government siezing assets of convicted criminals for those offenses to which they qualify.

 

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    I disagree with the basic concept of state or federal property seizures of lottery winnings, if the ticket was legitimately purchased by the claimant, that is, not stolen from someone else.  That is additional, excessive punishment for a crime that he has already been punished for.  He paid his dollar and took his chance like everyone else.  If a slimy drug dealing criminal wins, so be it, but that is what happens in games of chance. If the government doesn't like that idea, let them cancel the lottery.

    In this case, he was not arrested or convicted when he bought the ticket and was issued the check, so taking the money afterwards is an even more despicable government act.  This sets up the possibility that any winner could be set up and arrested after winning the lottery with the intent of seizing winnings.  I don't like that idea, do you?

    >But using money from ill-gotten gains (drug money) to buy a lottery ticket and any winnings from that ticket or buying anything else (houses, cars, boats, etc.) gives the gov't the power to seize anything you own.

    If you spent $90,000 of drug money on a boat, then you had and spent $90,000. In this case, he spent $1 on a $1 lottery ticket.  The winnings are not what he spent.  If the government does have a case to seize, they should only be entitled to seize the dollar he spent on the ticket.

     

     

     

     

    A $1 lottery ticket is an asset just like buying a boat gives you an asset. You purchase that ticket you own that piece of paper and any possible winnings attached to that piece of paper. The difference with a lottery ticket is that it may be worth nothing if the ticket isn't  a winner. But it also could be worth millions if it is a winner which would be a big asset.

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      Posted: August 20, 2005, 6:59 am - IP Logged

      My impression from the story is that the guy'd already cashed in the ticket.  It was the winnings they took.

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        Posted: August 20, 2005, 2:02 pm - IP Logged

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        "RIP " your blogs are Fantastic........I love the sarcasm, the cheekishness, cynicism and the intellectual analysis..........I can never be bored reading your "blogs"........ awesome.......

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          Posted: August 20, 2005, 2:06 pm - IP Logged

          Maybe he can get a return of part of the taxes?

          More money to seize!

           

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            I was watching an episode of COP last night that showed a guy being stopped for running a stop sign and 5 small bags of power sugar that looked like cocaine were found in his trunk.  They concluded that he was planning to ripe off some drug users and arrested him for having fakes of a control substance.  I had never heard of such a law, but I guess there are "got you" laws in every state that people don't know exist.  I wondered if ones assets could be taken for such an offense.

            I got stop one time for touching the white edge line that mark where the road berm begins even though I never touch the berm.  Had I been on a road that only had a center line, I would have been alright.  I only got a warning ticket and looked up the law sighted and it was written mainly to cover crossing the center lines but vague enough to cover any lines white or yellow. 

            That kind of thing happens all the time.  When Collen Powers went to the UN to get backing for our invasion of Iraq, he noted that two water trucks had been spotted in a country that's half dessert as proof they they were building chemical weapons and the trucks were being used to wash away any accidental chemical spills.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: August 21, 2005, 2:36 pm - IP Logged

              i can't imagine the UN agreeing with an attack on Iraq only with a statement from General Colin Powel about water tanks in the desert.

              i like to believe decisions that large are based on issues that are world affecting, complicated and filled with information not available to the general public.

              when playing poker you do not tell the opposition what you are holding or when you are bluffing.

               

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                Posted: August 21, 2005, 4:37 pm - IP Logged

                They concluded that he was planning to ripe off some drug users and arrested him for having fakes of a control substance.  I had never heard of such a law, but I guess there are "got you" laws in every state that people don't know exist.  I wondered if ones assets could be taken for such an offense.

                RJOH:

                I'm wondering if there's anything of that sort involving coffee.  Seems to me there's bound to be a law against possession of decaffinated (fake) coffee. 

                If the authorities are opposed to people having fakes of a control substance it's probably just a badly needed means of protecting themselves from snorting powdered sugar.  That stuff could probably damage the nasal passages.

                Jack

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                  I've heard of the police taking vehicles that are stopped with drugs. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is owned by the offender or not. I know I'de be really P*$$ed off if they took my car because I let a friend or family member use my car and they got stopped with drugs in my car. That's 1 reason I don't let NO ONE drive my car.

                  I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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                    Posted: August 21, 2005, 5:28 pm - IP Logged

                    All the judicial system is about is money anyway. I went to Illinois and had neon lights under my car. I drove 7 hours at night with the lights on seeing all kinds of police on the interstate before a State Trooper pulled me over. He told me they were illegal in IL and was going to give me a ticket unless I could turn them off. Well in TN we have only one plate on our cars, so on the front of my car I had a plate that looked like a IL tag that said "Menace". Well, in order for me to turn off the neon lights I had to go under the hood to unplug it. While I was doing that the trooper had a flashlight looking at the front of my car and seen the plate. When I finished and got back in the car he asked to see my drivers license because he was going to just check to make sure they were valid. He was back in his car for about 15 minutes then came back with a ticket. I got a ticket for unlawful use of registration. I later went to court for it and told the judge that they need to have state rules and regs at welcome centers when you come into the state. He said he would throw the case out but he wanted me to pay the court fees. I paid the court fees which were more then the fine but it didn't go onto my drivers record.

                    I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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                      I've heard of the police taking vehicles that are stopped with drugs. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is owned by the offender or not. I know I'de be really P*$$ed off if they took my car because I let a friend or family member use my car and they got stopped with drugs in my car. That's 1 reason I don't let NO ONE drive my car.

                      The road goes on forever and the party never ends, I reckon.

                      A friend of mine is a bank director in Belen, NM.  He owns a number of investment properties, which he rents out.

                      A couple of months ago, the State Police, Sheriff and city police kicked the doors down on one of his rent houses, did a drug search, tore everything up properly..... didn't find the meth lab the warrant had them searching for...

                      So Sid, my bud, did all the repairs himself.... door frames destroyed, cabinets torn off, doors broken, carpet, the works.

                      Materials only cost him $1200 to make the repairs to the damage they deliberately did to search for drugs that didn't exist.

                      They could have served the warrant by knocking on the door, having a cop watching the back door, covering all exits.  But it wouldn't have involved breaking anything.  Where's the fun of that.

                      Jack

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                        Posted: August 22, 2005, 6:12 pm - IP Logged

                        Mail For YouUS Flag  KYMY......I TOO hope "999" comes out for you in Kentuky.....(BTW...how much would you win)???

                        HAPPY MONDAY AUG...22ND TO ALL MY HAPPY FELLOW GAMBLERS....HOPE EVERYONE IS WELL...

                        RJOH....you sound great...."RIP and CHEWIE" are obviously doing very well.....I see you are still  ripping each other apart and chewing each other to death.......I'm LOVIN IT.....(BTW) "RIP" I must correct something you said about (caffeine free/decaffinated coffee) you called it fake coffee. Actually, it's not fake coffee at all, it's genuine coffee.....ie SANKA....it's still coffee, made with coffee beans, they simply removed 90-95% of the caffeine from it.  This applies to decaffeinated FOLDGERS, MAXWELL HOUSE....ect......And you can make them as strong as you like......

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                          Mail For You"RIP".......WHAT the Sheriff and Police did  to your Friends property was an absolute obomination......and "They should be held responsible by the LAW to reimburse him for ALL DAMAGES.......Afterall, how can they expect the civilian populaiton to respect the laws if they themseleves don't respect  and uphold it???????

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                            Mail For YouUS Flag  KYMY......I TOO hope "999" comes out for you in Kentuky.....(BTW...how much would you win)???

                            HAPPY MONDAY AUG...22ND TO ALL MY HAPPY FELLOW GAMBLERS....HOPE EVERYONE IS WELL...

                            RJOH....you sound great...."RIP and CHEWIE" are obviously doing very well.....I see you are still  ripping each other apart and chewing each other to death.......I'm LOVIN IT.....(BTW) "RIP" I must correct something you said about (caffeine free/decaffinated coffee) you called it fake coffee. Actually, it's not fake coffee at all, it's genuine coffee.....ie SANKA....it's still coffee, made with coffee beans, they simply removed 90-95% of the caffeine from it.  This applies to decaffeinated FOLDGERS, MAXWELL HOUSE....ect......And you can make them as strong as you like......

                            Hi libra:

                            Sorry for the coffee faux pas ... or whatever it was.  I'm thinking of going to some sort of ersatz coffee I used to drink a long time ago.... I think it must be made from burned bread crumbs or something.  Postum, it was called.  But I'd like to get away from the high dollar end of caffeine addiction.  Those Columbian cartels will be drifting over into the coffee end of things if the price keeps skyrocketing.

                            I don't know whether Chewie's ripping me up, or he isn't.  I quit reading his posts so as to not be tempted to devote further thought to his world view.  Fired a Parthian arrow with a blog entry and sent an entire sphere of human opinion off to never-never land in one fell swoop.

                            I love that new feature.  It's a bit like wearing a surgical mask over your face when there's plague stalking the land.  The surgical mask also hides the grin underneath.

                            Jack

                             

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                            It's about number behavior.

                            Egos don't count.

                             

                            Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                             

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                              Mail For You"RIP".......WHAT the Sheriff and Police did  to your Friends property was an absolute obomination......and "They should be held responsible by the LAW to reimburse him for ALL DAMAGES.......Afterall, how can they expect the civilian populaiton to respect the laws if they themseleves don't respect  and uphold it???????

                              What they did was legal.  The war on drugs legislation of several years ago opened the door for a wider range of behavior in serving search warrants without announcing ones self.  The door opened further with various Patriot Act passages.

                              Nowadays they can do just about what they want.

                              .......Afterall, how can they expect the civilian populaiton to respect the laws if they themseleves don't respect  and uphold it???????

                              They're clearly expecting the apathy of the people who believe it will never happen to them to keep things firing on all eight.  In addition to that, there's the fear response that will kick in if they begin doing it enough to wake the sheep.  Nobody will want to say anything for fear they'll be next.  (This is actually fairly smart behavior, even today.  I wish I had sense enough to practice what I preach)

                              Then, there's the major segment of the population that just figures they wouldn't have kicked the door down if they didn't think something was in there, and you can't make an omlet without breaking some eggs.  Justifiable to sacrifice a few rights if we can catch a few more drug dealers.

                              That's the way my bud, Sid, felt until it happened to him.

                              Jack

                              Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                              It's about number behavior.

                              Egos don't count.

                               

                              Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser