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Winning lottery ticket purchased with stolen credit card

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Posted: October 30, 2005, 8:53 am - IP Logged

I wish I could use Credit Card I get 2% cash back

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    In Kentucky you can use a Visa/Mastercard Check Card to pay for lottery tickets but it has to be made as a debit not credit purchase.

    it being a debit card changes the whole ball game, because a debit card is not a credit card.  a stolen debit card is bad.  a stolen credit card is also bad. but they are not the same theft.

     

    i don't think companies should accept payment in credit cards.  too much potential for abuse. way too much potential for abuse.  cash only is the only way to go.

    The difference between a credit card and a debit card is minimal; strictly an accouting seperation; one has an instant funds tranfer and the other has a delayed funds tranfer - with extended reimbursement option. Use, in most cases, is interchangeable. Only the intelligent retailer,  the one looking to reduce their cost, questions their use. To the retailer, the fee for the debit option is cheaper; by as much as 15%. Most retailers prefer cards over cash. Safer, easier book-keeping, electronic trail incase of theft, etc.  A retailer can loose every card receipt, and still collect the funds; can't do that wiith cash.

    Mature, intelligent, educated, adults have zero problems with credit purchases.  You can protect a credit card, you can not protect cash. Usually, those with problems with credit cards are under the age of forty; the newness of money has disappeared by that age. Of course, if one does not have the ability to make mature financial decisions, credit cards can be a convienent excuse. As Flip Wilson, a black comedian, was famous for saying, "It wasn't my fault, the Devil made me do it."

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      Posted: October 31, 2005, 4:50 pm - IP Logged

      the lottery giveth and the lottery taketh away!

      I thought it was the lottery giveth and the government taketh away

      I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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        Posted: October 31, 2005, 5:15 pm - IP Logged

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        GOOD EVENING EVERYONE........HOPE ALL MY "MM" COWARTS ARE HAPPY TONIGHT........10/31....

        "KY MY"....I LOVED YOUR LAST POST....LOLOLOLOLOL.....YOU HIT THE TARGET.......LOLOLOL

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          10/31/05..........

          (BTW)......While all of us know the Laws regarding using the credit cards of Deceased People especially our family members, which in this case, is the issue.....many people do not realize that they are stealing, if using the credit card of a deceased member of the family, especially one so close. The daughter-in- law, has possibly used her Mother-in-Laws credit card to purchase many items.  As the card was finally reported stolen, perhaps her husband was angry about something and teaching her a lesson.....I'm sure,  that particular card was used to purchase more than just that one lottery ticket....The deceased woman's son had to know that the card was being used, before this incident.

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            Posted: October 31, 2005, 5:36 pm - IP Logged

            ADDENDUM:

            Having read all the statements on this topic......let me add, that while many thoughts expressed here are very interesting, and some very comical.......You would  be surprised at the vast number of people, using the credit cards of Deceased Members of their Families.......It happens far more often than you think.......Especially if the Deceased person had excellent credit.....

            Also "CHEWIE".....CASH AS WELL FROM CHECKING ACCOUNTS......LOLOLOLOLO

            The ATM Machine has made banking so " easy & efficient"....... that the quickest and easiest way to get money from the bank is the ATM Machine.......If you have the bank/debit card of a Deceased member of your family(as we are discussing the credit card of a deceased family member)as long as you know their "Password".....you can deposit and withdraw Money 24hrs-7 days a week. Without any problems.........including any funds deposited before they died............

            We all know it's wrong, those of us who are honest and abide by the Law, however it is done.

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              Posted: October 31, 2005, 5:44 pm - IP Logged

              My spending money is in a local account, the real retirement money is in a Credit Union in Texas - withdrawls only by face to face.

              Cheers

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                October .....31st.......6:00pm est

                That's very good....Chewie.....but In the Major Banking Insititutions, as I'm sure you know, because Society now lives and thrives on the "get it and go" mentallity, the average Bank Customer can make and withdrawal withing 20 seconds, at an ATM window.....& GO.........Lurking

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                  As I've said before, there is a price for every shortcut. When you get behind the sheep in front of you, you can expect to be sheared.

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                    NOVEMBER 1ST.........

                    Very well stated "CHEWIE"......I concurr w/you.....Mail For You

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                      Posted: November 1, 2005, 3:05 pm - IP Logged

                      In Kentucky you can use a Visa/Mastercard Check Card to pay for lottery tickets but it has to be made as a debit not credit purchase.

                      it being a debit card changes the whole ball game, because a debit card is not a credit card.  a stolen debit card is bad.  a stolen credit card is also bad. but they are not the same theft.

                       

                      i don't think companies should accept payment in credit cards.  too much potential for abuse. way too much potential for abuse.  cash only is the only way to go.

                      The difference between a credit card and a debit card is minimal; strictly an accouting seperation; one has an instant funds tranfer and the other has a delayed funds tranfer - with extended reimbursement option. Use, in most cases, is interchangeable. Only the intelligent retailer,  the one looking to reduce their cost, questions their use. To the retailer, the fee for the debit option is cheaper; by as much as 15%. Most retailers prefer cards over cash. Safer, easier book-keeping, electronic trail incase of theft, etc.  A retailer can loose every card receipt, and still collect the funds; can't do that wiith cash.

                      Mature, intelligent, educated, adults have zero problems with credit purchases.  You can protect a credit card, you can not protect cash. Usually, those with problems with credit cards are under the age of forty; the newness of money has disappeared by that age. Of course, if one does not have the ability to make mature financial decisions, credit cards can be a convienent excuse. As Flip Wilson, a black comedian, was famous for saying, "It wasn't my fault, the Devil made me do it."

                      Chewie;

                          I have read where your claim of using a debit card is cheaper than a credit card, if this was the case, Wally World would have never refused the Master Card Debit card and my bank would not have switched over to a VISA Debit Card.  And as for one being easier to use, this is not exactly true, though it does help some of us with paying bills.  Whether most of you folks realize it or not, you are not allowed to buy a Lottery Ticket on a Credit card, however most folks do not realize this at all.  Most people do not enforce this and it has come up several times to try and mandate a Bill before the federal government to prevent any gambling, ie Vegas, Atlantic City, charges to be put on a credit card.  Essentially going to the cashier and ask them to withdraw money on your card so you can gamble.  If you ask your issuing card company for a complete list of rules you would be very surprised what you can and cannot do on a credit card, however most of the issuing companies won't say anything because they make a bushel load of cash off the interest.  This is one of the reasons why congress has forced the issue of raising the minimum payments on credit cards, yes to help you pay it back quicker, but also to keep finance charges to a minimum.  Card Companies make money like bandits, because they don't want you paying off your debt.  Of course this is a bit negated by the card companies that do, and hammer you with a large interest fee if you don't.  To be honest, I think credit card's are the biggest scam next to jacking us up at the gas pump.  Now as for the daughter-in-law using her dead mother's card, well I hate to say this, but it's an illegal thing to do unless she is an co-account holder.  Which I highly doubt she is, so it makes her winnings very suspect and should be withheld.  I think how the police found out was she was ratted out by someone, though of late I am beginning to wonder if people are begin investigated once they win the lottery.  Would it surprise me, no, and I doubt very much legal either.  I hate carrying cash around, but only do so to buy my tickets.  The main reason why is I gave away a free electric stove and the people tried to bum gas money off me, which I thought was poor form to try and do.  One other thing, you are not allowed that I know of, because I asked.  You cannot use a Credit Card or a Debit card in Ohio, PA nor KY.  Call your local lottery board to be 100% sure, but the people I talked to at the boards all said the same thing, cash only please.  However this does not mean that all retailers will follow suit.

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                        I  agree.  Credit card companies do not lay claim to items purchased with their cards.  In addition, if there is nothing in writing in their credit card agreement stating rules regarding the purchase of lottery/gaming tickets, and there is no written law in the state where the ticket was purchased prohibiting tickets being purchased by a credit card (not just what the Police say), then she can certainly fight it and win.  She now has the money to pay the credit card company back the money owed to them.  If the credit card company prosecutes her, then they won't get their money.  As far as what the Police said about her not being able to keep the money if she is convicted, does anyone remember Martha Stewart?  She was convicted and served time in prison for her wrong doings, and she was permitted to keep the money she made as a result of it, and was not made to pay back the people that lost money due to her wrong doings.  She even was permitted to keep making millions while she was in jail.  Another thing that doesn't make sense, the article said that she bought the ticket on October 9th, and the Police began tracking her this past Wednesday after she bought some items with the credit card including the ticket.  How did they find out?  And why didn't they track her before now?  We will never know the truth, of course.  But we must all remember that the Police do not make the laws, we are not a "Police State".  Providing once again that there are no written laws prohibiting the purchase, then there is no question.  As the saying goes "Possession is nine tenths of the Law".  The person who is in possession of the ticket can claim the winnings, whether it was found, stolen, bought, sold, etc.  Just because the woman has a bad record or a drug problem, that has nothing to do with the winning ticket.  Perhaps God sent her the ticket to turn her life around.  I hope she does, and if need be, I hope she gets the biggest lawyer (she can now afford it) and takes the case to national limits if need be.  I even heard on the local news that Jack Whittacker that won all that money a while ago has had run ins with the Police accusing him of drunk driving.  It may be true, and it may not be.  Wake up America before it is too late.  Remember a few years ago with Zsa Zsa Gabor?  Remember what happened to her?  I truly hope Ms. Goodenow takes a few dollars of her winnings and buys (for cash) some more tickets and hits a bigger jackpot.  Then we will see what the Police have to say about that!

                        Gargil;

                            The only thing I can think to say is this, your nuts. If a ticket is stolen, and it is proven, you don't get to keep the winnings.  Theft is theft, plain and simple.  the women should not have been using her dead mother's card unless she was on file with the credit card company.  The credit card company can prosecute her and win big time if she wasn't allowed to use the thing, that is just plain crazy to think otherwise.  Unfortunately Possession is nine tenths the law does not apply.  If you stole my card and bought a winning lottery ticket, believe you me you wouldn't get one red cent, plus what you will win is some shiny matching bracelets and a long stretch in the pokey.  If the Lottery commission decides she shouldn't get the cash, then she won't be able to afford any attorney and I will tell you this, she will big the biggest loser in the end.  Think about this logically, you sound like a guy the claimed that he wrecked cars to collect insurance money because that's what it's there for.

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                          I  agree.  Credit card companies do not lay claim to items purchased with their cards.  In addition, if there is nothing in writing in their credit card agreement stating rules regarding the purchase of lottery/gaming tickets, and there is no written law in the state where the ticket was purchased prohibiting tickets being purchased by a credit card (not just what the Police say), then she can certainly fight it and win.  She now has the money to pay the credit card company back the money owed to them.  If the credit card company prosecutes her, then they won't get their money.  As far as what the Police said about her not being able to keep the money if she is convicted, does anyone remember Martha Stewart?  She was convicted and served time in prison for her wrong doings, and she was permitted to keep the money she made as a result of it, and was not made to pay back the people that lost money due to her wrong doings.  She even was permitted to keep making millions while she was in jail.  Another thing that doesn't make sense, the article said that she bought the ticket on October 9th, and the Police began tracking her this past Wednesday after she bought some items with the credit card including the ticket.  How did they find out?  And why didn't they track her before now?  We will never know the truth, of course.  But we must all remember that the Police do not make the laws, we are not a "Police State".  Providing once again that there are no written laws prohibiting the purchase, then there is no question.  As the saying goes "Possession is nine tenths of the Law".  The person who is in possession of the ticket can claim the winnings, whether it was found, stolen, bought, sold, etc.  Just because the woman has a bad record or a drug problem, that has nothing to do with the winning ticket.  Perhaps God sent her the ticket to turn her life around.  I hope she does, and if need be, I hope she gets the biggest lawyer (she can now afford it) and takes the case to national limits if need be.  I even heard on the local news that Jack Whittacker that won all that money a while ago has had run ins with the Police accusing him of drunk driving.  It may be true, and it may not be.  Wake up America before it is too late.  Remember a few years ago with Zsa Zsa Gabor?  Remember what happened to her?  I truly hope Ms. Goodenow takes a few dollars of her winnings and buys (for cash) some more tickets and hits a bigger jackpot.  Then we will see what the Police have to say about that!

                          Actually your statement, "The person who is in possession of the ticket can claim the winnings, whether it was found, stolen, bought, sold, etc." is not true. There have been reports of people who used illegal means to purchase tickets and lost the money they would have won. You can even find a couple of news stories on lottery post.

                          The point is this woman used a stolen credit card to make a purchase. She may not be entitled to the winnings because she used someone elses credit card. It doesn't matter if it was her dead mother-in-laws card or not. It wasn't hers to use. She's a thief.

                           

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                            Amen Bellyache.I Agree!

                            My mother would always say, you can't win anything, if you take all the money you played and used it for something else.... To which I would respond, you can't win if you don't play, and if you hit a minimum of the grand or second prizes the it would pay off all that you have invested.  Needless to say, you can't win if you don't play, and as I would say, why don't you play?  Because the prize is to small, well dang son, the back seat of a set of jaguars is small.

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                              I am trying to make a point here, and everyone refuses to understand, or perhaps they are afraid to admit it (which is the downfall of this country).  I am just trying to make a point that the Police of our country DO NOT make the laws or the decisions.  If the Lottery Commission says she does not get the money, or the credit card company tries to fight it, that is different.  And if it is against the law and it is a written law, then that is that.  I am not nuts, I am savvy.  Americans need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop putting the Police in complete control.  Do you all actually believe that if that the Police had found that first installent of cash in that womans home when they searched it, or better yet the unsigned winning ticket that they would not have pocketed it?  I bet if the Cop had found the winning unsigned ticket, then Possession is nine tenths of the law would apply to him.  Again, America WAKE UP!  Admit it, don't be afraid.  Silence is not the way.