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Stolen lottery ticket trial underway in Chicago

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Posted: December 15, 2005, 5:22 pm - IP Logged

Remember-You are assumed INNOCENT until proven guilty.

Come-on get real here. Everyone knows that the Justice system says you are "Innocent" until proven guilty! But we all know that's a LIE! Most people in the United States agree, if for some reason you are accused of wrong doing in our Justice system you are guilty until proven "Innocent". Justice in this country isn't blind (like they say it is), it's "Judgmental" and that alone is what makes you guilty until proven innocent! And that's just sickening beyond belief.

THURSDAY...12/15

Point very well made....if "Leal" could have afforded excellent Legal Representation, her Lawyers would have made the same arguments that "DEMONTER" made in a couple of his postings on this issue.......................

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    Posted: December 15, 2005, 5:32 pm - IP Logged

    See Ya!HAPPY  THURSDAY.........12/15

    IN A PREVIOUS POST....FOR THE INITIAL STORY ABOUT THIS WOMAN FROM YESTERDAY...12/14, i SITED THIS:

    Posted: Yesterday, 4:49 pm - IP Logged

    Roll EyesThe problem that I have is our justice system. It works for those who have the money to buy the lawyers that know how to use the law.  There are many individuals and corporations who steal thousands times more than she and come out squeaky clean.

    She is a dumb thief who needed a better lawyer.

     

     

    See Ya!HAPPY WEDNESDAY....12/14/05

    The problem I have with this case is the sheer stupidity of the "Traders" themselves.....They should have hired an Attorney or simply gone together as a Group and turned the winning ticket in themselves, instead of giving it to her to do it.  If the Group didn't want the Publicity then the Attorney representing them would have handled everything legally, without all this unnecessary Drama........It's sheer Stupidity on the part of the "Traders" .........

    Agree with stupid 

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      Posted: December 15, 2005, 5:44 pm - IP Logged

      She claims she lost the winning ticket.

      She did not cash in the winning ticket.

      Who can prove she stole the ticket?

      There is no solid proof of a misdeed; a jury must under the rules, assume a defendant is innocent unless the state can prove otherwise. I say she walks.

      Agree with stupid"D".............12/15/05

      I too believe "LEAL" should have been given the "benefit of the doubt".....as this winning ticket has never surfaced, and the "DUMB TRADERS" using the paperwork were able to claim the prize anyway......However, she obviously has some even "DUMBER ATTYS" because had they emphatically used your argument and expounded on it,  there's no way the jury should have sent her to prison.....

      (ADDENDUM)

      If I should ever be so fortunate as to win any major Lottery, whether it be for 15$$$$$$ or 100$$$$$$ or anything above, this Drama won't play out, because I'll take the winning ticket w/my Attorney to make my claims.....I don't need any secretary, clerk, messenger.....lolololol to help me claim what is rightfully mine..........

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        Posted: December 15, 2005, 6:45 pm - IP Logged

        You guys fail to realize that Dora was checking to see if the tickets were winners.  You can say that Dora's boss was stupid to give her the tickets (we've already said it to him in person, believe me), but he had no idea if any of the tickets were winners before he gave them to Dora. 

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          Posted: December 15, 2005, 10:43 pm - IP Logged

          After reading all the newspapers and the lottery forum its so obvious that the truth has finally come out about this woman: and what people think of her from both who know her and those who have come to a pretty good conclusion of her. I've read that she has been deceitful even trying to make a few extra dollars on some water. I"ve said it before she saw another oppurtunity to make some money-some real money and jumped on the chace, got scared and didn't know what to do but try and cover her tracks.

          I think the truth is right there in front of everyone to see you don't even have to read between the lines.
          It's sad to see that this woman has two daughters and has already taght them so much wrong. Hell it's sad for the rest of the world if they are even half as deceiteful as their mother. Well at least we all know what to look for.

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            Posted: December 15, 2005, 10:55 pm - IP Logged

            Dora did have the winning $175K ticket validated at the very store that the traders bought all of their tickets from in the first place. And many of the people in the store saw her acknowledge that she just had the $175K winning ticket validated! Yes, she was guilty before the trial (because of the many wittinesses in the store) and ultimately she was found guilty by her peers in a court of law! May she get the maximum sentence and spend every bit of it reflecting back on her bad decision to steal from her fellow co-workers!

            Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true! Thumbs Up

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              Posted: December 15, 2005, 11:14 pm - IP Logged

              Riddle me this Demonter- Why would the courts allow this case to be set for trial IF there was NO validity to the allegations or some evidence to present? A person can actually be tried for murder without the weapon or the body. So why cant this women be tried even if the ticket isnt in her possession or ever found?

              maybe just maybe there was just too much obvious evidence! You Think ?

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                Posted: December 15, 2005, 11:26 pm - IP Logged

                I am one of 16 traders whom Dora attempted to cheat.  I testified in court on Monday during the trial.  Out of 175 tickets, all chronologically ordered by number and time purchased, only the $175 grand ticket was missing.  There were multiple people in the store when she won (including myself).  The store owner testified that Dora told her to keep quiet about Dora winning.  Other people who were in the store told me (two years ago when it happened) that Dora told them the same thing.  Afterwards I told the other 15 traders that I saw Rich Tobin's clerk win $175 thousand.  They then told me that she was indeed checking our tickets, of which I was previously unaware.  When her boss confronted her she replied that it was her friend who won, not her.  This was her first of many lies.  I then told her that I was behind her in line, and saw her win.  We then made a quick check of the tickets and realized that there was one ticket missing, which obviously was the winning ticket.  At this point she was busted and knew it.  This is when she must've destryed or thrown away the ticket in an attempt to get rid of her incriminating evidence.  Her boss tried to reason with her.  He pleaded with her to give us the ticket.  He told her that he understood how the emotion of winning the ticket could overwhelm her into making a bad decision.  He assured her that nothing would happen to her and she would even keep her job if she would simply give us the ticket.  She claimed ingorance at this point saying she didn't know she won the $175 thousand (even though we had a copy of the ticket with her signature on the back), that maybe Tobin lost it, blah, blah, blah... 

                In short, she tried to cheat her employer of six years, and got caught.  She is a dispicable, completely untrustworthy person.  The evidence against her was overwhelming, and everybody knew it!  It took the jury 2 hours to find her guilty, which is really a testament to her attourney.  It should've taken 2 minutes.

                Barista, you gotta come back to reality kid.  Your rant may have a point or two regarding the courst system in general, but it has no relevance to this case.  She was overwhelmingly guilty.

                Also, regarding the above comment about the traders not needing the money: ummm...what?  I am a trader, and I promise you, I need the money.  There are a few very successful traders in the 16, but most of us are just average guys like all of you.

                 

                Now awesomo2000, I made my comments about the court system, because of someone saying this or that about being innocent until being proven guilty! We all know that's a bunch of bull (the innocent line)! You're guilty until proven innocent and that's the way it's always been and that's the way it will always be! No one can honestly say it's not like that, because they know within their own hearts, that's exactly how our justice system sees the accused! That's it in a nut shell, nothing more or less! So why don't you come back to reality yourself kid! 

                Barista go make us all a latte. Don't give us alatte b.s.

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                  Posted: December 16, 2005, 2:11 pm - IP Logged

                  You guys fail to realize that Dora was checking to see if the tickets were winners.  You can say that Dora's boss was stupid to give her the tickets (we've already said it to him in person, believe me), but he had no idea if any of the tickets were winners before he gave them to Dora. 

                  Having read the story:Woman found guilty of stealing winning lottery ticket/ and the one preceding it.....the whole story was never clearly given until getting the chance to read your postings....I have now had the chance to read all your postings on this issue and stand corrected....The LP Stories never gave us the information as you gave it, not even a summary as you gave it, which left some of us w/the positions we took, however.....The Boss was still stupid for letting her handle this...

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                    Posted: December 16, 2005, 2:24 pm - IP Logged

                    Libra, you are correct.  Let the lesson be learned.  Don't play the lottery in pools, and if you do, make sure to check your own tickets.  I learned the hard way.

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                      You guys fail to realize that Dora was checking to see if the tickets were winners.  You can say that Dora's boss was stupid to give her the tickets (we've already said it to him in person, believe me), but he had no idea if any of the tickets were winners before he gave them to Dora. 

                      Friday....16th

                      On the 14th I indicated.......

                      As previously mentioned your multiple postings on this issue has given us an accurate accounting of what took place......however I must again share my feeling w/you: It's always best to hire an Attorney to either claim the winnings for you, or stand with you as you claim them.

                      (ADDENDUM)

                      If I should ever be so fortunate as to win any major Lottery, whether it be for 15$$$$$$ or 100$$$$$$ or anything above, this Drama won't play out, because I'll take the winning ticket w/my Attorney to make my claims.....I don't need any secretary, clerk, messenger.....lolololol to help me claim what is rightfully mine..........

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                        Posted: December 16, 2005, 2:41 pm - IP Logged

                        Libra, you are correct.  Let the lesson be learned.  Don't play the lottery in pools, and if you do, make sure to check your own tickets.  I learned the hard way.

                        Friday....16th

                        Actually, playing as a member of a "collective body" shall we say, can be great fun, because more numbers are being played, and additional funds added to "sweeten the kitty" .There are times when I play in that type of Group.....we simply look on the Internet and in the Newspaper to verify our tickets......We also agree as a group that if we ever find ourselves fortunate enough to win, we will hire a Limosine to take our "collective bodies" to Lottery Headquarters to claim our winnings.

                        However, it's important to have a great rapor and comradery within the group, and XEROX all the tickets that are purchased, so that no one can claim the prize for themselves alone, by stating that they purchased this "particular ticket" separately from the rest........BY THE SAME TOKEN...I do play as an independent....and also XEROX MY TICKETS.....