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Lottery winner pleads innocent to ID theft, fraud charges

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Posted: January 14, 2006, 12:22 pm - IP Logged

If she was on meth, I'm surprised she even had a dollar left.....

HAPPY FRIDAY "DD".......1/13/2006

I would ask how you are,  but I can see, and read, you are in great spirits.....you never let me down.......lolololololololololol....you are tooooooo naughty...........

Libra, Of course I am silly....What else should I be on

Triskaidekaphobia  day ?

 

DD

LurkingHAPPY SATURDAY.."DD".....

excuse my French...but "what the hell is that"???????lolololololololololol I can't even pronounce it

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    LadyC- Fraud allegations are for the exact verbage you are describing. This woman alledgedly used a card that she was neither authorized on or the card bearer. Even *IF* she supposedly made payments on it, she was neither the applicant or authorized to use the card. Read any cardholder agreement and maybe that will shed some light on how these charges are being comprised. Sure wish someone would pay my credit card bills, but not at the risk of them *assuming* my name or identity to gain wealth :) Capisca?

    Just for the sake of arguement, if I went out and used your credit card...bought a Plasma tv. Shouldnt I be allowed to keep it? I mean why return it after its unboxed? Its such a hassle for a store to get credit from the manufacturer and/or distributor. I mean, I *was* going to pay you back....See the logic in that ? Lets hope not, because there really wasnt any.

    The bottom line is the lady is execersing her right to defend herself on these allegations. Its up to the prosecution to provide evidence to back up the case against her.

    See Ya!HAPPY SATURDAY......

    Following the excellent points made by you and "LADY C".....I remember when this story was printed on here, during 2005, when it initially occurred, and I stated in one of my postings, that you would be surprised the number of people, within families...only family members, who continue to use the "Credit Cards" of deceased family members...they pay for their purchases of course, but continue to use the credit as it has already been established and is "good credit." They use those Cards to pay all kinds of Bills, as well as over the phone purchases.

    This is not in and of itself an isolated case.  The only real difference is that she decided to use it this time to purchase a "narcotic" which is clearly unlawful.  Again, playing the "Devil's Advocate" if she and her husband had been on good terms at the time of the occurrence of this incident, it would never have been an "incident at all"  because he would not have called the Police and they would have lived happily ever after with the $$$$$$....Because we do not know the"whole story", I am wondering, quite frankly if she refused to share the $$$$$$$ with him, or 99% of it, before she spent it..If she had been willing to share,  we wouldn't have had this opportunity to comment.

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      Posted: January 14, 2006, 1:06 pm - IP Logged

      Some other interesting things I found on her...

      Medford police detectives began tracking Goodenow on Oct. 26 after receiving information that she had used the credit card to purchase items at several gas stations, restaurants and other stores.

      An investigation determined that she had used the stolen credit card to purchase the lottery tickets. They were able to link her to the scratch-its because she had signed her real name on the back of the tickets.

      They also got her for computer crime and a parole violation. This isn't her first time at "game playing" and I don't mean lottery games! hehe <-- but sad.

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        Happy Saturday Libra!

        I agree with you there. Not only that, but had she lost using that credit card, this would be a non-issue. The potential fraud remains the same, but the principle is that this wouldn't have been an issue if she had not won that kind of ca$h.

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          Happy Saturday Libra!

          I agree with you there. Not only that, but had she lost using that credit card, this would be a non-issue. The potential fraud remains the same, but the principle is that this wouldn't have been an issue if she had not won that kind of ca$h.

          1/14/2006

          Isn't it so,......and as "MommaCat"....pointed out she signed her actual name to her scratch offs, that she paid for with the Card. Anyone, clever enough to use "credit cards" of deceased family members should know that you never purchase anything, that you will have to "sign for" outright....and again , I do not condone fraud or theft of any kind, but if she is using her "Mother-in-laws" card she should have been more careful.  The outcome of this case should be very interesting.............................

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            Posted: January 14, 2006, 1:40 pm - IP Logged

            I Agree!

            However, somehow I am thinking that like the Review Booth in the NFL, the prosecution may not have enough conclusive evidence to strip her of that prize. Just a gut feeling...

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              Posted: January 15, 2006, 2:34 pm - IP Logged

              GameGrl - If you were to use my credit card you would first have to pay the bill before you could charge anything!!! LOLLOL

              Once again, I understand that a fraud was committed (allegedly), I am not sure that it is as cut and dry as some of the responses have indicated.  Yes the credit card company has rules, but it's situations like this one that makes everyone go back to the drawing board and make some adjustments, because no one saw this type of infraction coming!  This is what I call an unforeseen circumstance and I would not be surprised by what happens as a result.  Think about loopholes.  There are probably several in this whole situation, regardless of the credit card agreement, their rules, or regulations.  We don't have all the details about the lady, the police, or the allegations. We are merely spectators

              Let's suppose that this is a small town in OR (population 1,000 SALUTE!) and since lottery winnings become a matter of public record, someone found out and felt she was not worthy to win the prize and as a result made all her business a matter of public record!
                 

              I really like this forum and the exchange of information helps us all!  The fun thing about lottery issues is how it brings out the best and the worse in some people.   

              To keep the winnings or not keep the winnings..THAT is the real question!

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                GameGrl - If you were to use my credit card you would first have to pay the bill before you could charge anything!!! LOLLOL

                Once again, I understand that a fraud was committed (allegedly), I am not sure that it is as cut and dry as some of the responses have indicated.  Yes the credit card company has rules, but it's situations like this one that makes everyone go back to the drawing board and make some adjustments, because no one saw this type of infraction coming!  This is what I call an unforeseen circumstance and I would not be surprised by what happens as a result.  Think about loopholes.  There are probably several in this whole situation, regardless of the credit card agreement, their rules, or regulations.  We don't have all the details about the lady, the police, or the allegations. We are merely spectators

                Let's suppose that this is a small town in OR (population 1,000 SALUTE!) and since lottery winnings become a matter of public record, someone found out and felt she was not worthy to win the prize and as a result made all her business a matter of public record!
                   

                I really like this forum and the exchange of information helps us all!  The fun thing about lottery issues is how it brings out the best and the worse in some people.   

                To keep the winnings or not keep the winnings..THAT is the real question!

                What part of the case isnt cut and dried if the story is accurate? What is there about the case that would make anyone go back to the drawing board, and what are the loopholes you think they might close?

                People have been dying since long before credit card companies existed, so it isn't  a surprise to them that some of their cardholders will die in any given year, and they've already covered it in the agreement that governs use of the card. You can't transfer your card to anyone else, and the account terminates when you die because the company can't expect dead people to make timely payments. That makes the use of a dead person's card a fraudulent use.

                Being a criminal has nothing to do with whether or not she's entitled to the winnings. How she acquired the ticket does. If she acquired the ticket through fraudulent use of a credit card, then she stole the ticket, isn't the owner of the ticket, and doesn't have any rights to the winnings.

                 

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                  Happy Saturday Libra!

                  I agree with you there. Not only that, but had she lost using that credit card, this would be a non-issue. The potential fraud remains the same, but the principle is that this wouldn't have been an issue if she had not won that kind of ca$h.

                  What is it, exactly, that would be a non-issue since it's still fraud? It sounds like you're suggesting that she would have been able to continue using the card, even though you agree that it's still fraud. That might be true, but if she was turned in by family members its not likely that the ticket had anything to do with it, unless perhaps they're foolish enough to think that they would become the owners. There's a chance that she could have continued to use the card and would have paid it off and eventually cancelled it, but if she was ever caught everything from the first fraudulent charge would come back to bite her in the ass. The items she bought with the card don't have any bearing, one way or the other, on the fraud.

                   

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                    Happy Saturday Libra!

                    I agree with you there. Not only that, but had she lost using that credit card, this would be a non-issue. The potential fraud remains the same, but the principle is that this wouldn't have been an issue if she had not won that kind of ca$h.

                    1/14/2006

                    Isn't it so,......and as "MommaCat"....pointed out she signed her actual name to her scratch offs, that she paid for with the Card. Anyone, clever enough to use "credit cards" of deceased family members should know that you never purchase anything, that you will have to "sign for" outright....and again , I do not condone fraud or theft of any kind, but if she is using her "Mother-in-laws" card she should have been more careful.  The outcome of this case should be very interesting.............................

                    Hey Libra !

                     

                    Sorry for the curveball :

                    Triskadekaiphobia is  the fear of the number 13  Scared   and Friday was the 13th.

                     

                    DD 

                    PS, sorry bout your Redskins......

                     

                                                   

                                  

                     

                     

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                      The story may be accurate, but it's details that will only be mentioned in a trial,( if it comes to that) that can make all the difference in the outcome.  Not the part about the fraud, but the details that will make a difference in the outcome of the ticket.  It appears everyone agrees with the fraud issue. It's ownership of the ticket and the remaining payments.  I do not know of any specific loopholes that may need to be addressed with the exception of what the lottery will do, as they have never experienced anything like this  This type of situation presents a new twist.

                       

                      As loopholes go, I wouldn't begin to know what could be used, but they (loopholes) have been used in many a case that no one saw it coming and what supposedly was a tight case, fell apart over some little known detail.  That's all I'm saying. If they  print the outcome it will confirm or deny any of our points.   All of you made some very good ones.  Have a great week.

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                        I'll bet she regret she didn't pay cash for that ticket now.

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                          Happy Saturday Libra!

                          I agree with you there. Not only that, but had she lost using that credit card, this would be a non-issue. The potential fraud remains the same, but the principle is that this wouldn't have been an issue if she had not won that kind of ca$h.

                          1/14/2006

                          Isn't it so,......and as "MommaCat"....pointed out she signed her actual name to her scratch offs, that she paid for with the Card. Anyone, clever enough to use "credit cards" of deceased family members should know that you never purchase anything, that you will have to "sign for" outright....and again , I do not condone fraud or theft of any kind, but if she is using her "Mother-in-laws" card she should have been more careful.  The outcome of this case should be very interesting.............................

                          Hey Libra !

                           

                          Sorry for the curveball :

                          Triskadekaiphobia is  the fear of the number 13  Scared   and Friday was the 13th.

                           

                          DD 

                          PS, sorry bout your Redskins......

                           1/16/2006

                          Thanks "DD"..... you're sweet......oh well, it was a great ride while it lasted, I just wish the

                          Thuddidn't hurt so much........let's hope the "PANTHERS eat the SEAHAWKS" then spit out the feathers...........lololololo

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                            Happy Saturday Libra!

                            I agree with you there. Not only that, but had she lost using that credit card, this would be a non-issue. The potential fraud remains the same, but the principle is that this wouldn't have been an issue if she had not won that kind of ca$h.

                            1/14/2006

                            Isn't it so,......and as "MommaCat"....pointed out she signed her actual name to her scratch offs, that she paid for with the Card. Anyone, clever enough to use "credit cards" of deceased family members should know that you never purchase anything, that you will have to "sign for" outright....and again , I do not condone fraud or theft of any kind, but if she is using her "Mother-in-laws" card she should have been more careful.  The outcome of this case should be very interesting.............................

                            Hey Libra !

                             

                            Sorry for the curveball :

                            Triskadekaiphobia is  the fear of the number 13  Scared   and Friday was the 13th.

                             

                            DD 

                            PS, sorry bout your Redskins......

                             1/16/2006

                            Thanks "DD"..... you're sweet......oh well, it was a great ride while it lasted, I just wish the

                            Thuddidn't hurt so much........let's hope the "PANTHERS eat the SEAHAWKS" then spit out the feathers...........lololololo

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                              Go Panthers!!!