A mystery woman claimed today she has won £1.5 million (US$2.65 million) from the UK National Lottery — but has never told her husband.
The woman, a mother-of-two who gave her name as Jane, called a radio show to reveal her astonishing secret.
For the past three years she has hidden her fortune from colleagues, friends and family, she claimed.
Her husband had a drug problem 15 years ago and she fears living the high life would tempt him back to his old ways.
She also worries he would give up work and start demanding luxury holidays.
"Jane" has remained in her job and, if she ever splashes out on treats for the family, tells her husband she has had a pay rise or bonus.
The woman revealed her extraordinary story on BBC Radio Five Live this morning.
Presenter Victoria Derbyshire was hosting a phone-in which asked the question: "Is money guaranteed to make you happy?"
"Jane" called in and began, "I won quite a bit of money, just under £1.5 million, and I've never, ever told anybody. Not even my husband."
An incredulous Derbyshire said, "You're kidding me. Why not?"
"Jane" replied, "Fear that it would change our lives too dramatically. My husband had, many years ago, a small drug problem — around 15 years ago. And I'm scared with the money and perhaps the high life... he would go back there.
"So I just said that I've had a pay rise and I get bonuses, so every now and again I can have nice things."
She continued, "I do feel if I had said, yes, I've won this money, that he would have wanted holidays, he perhaps would have wanted to give up work, which would destroy our little family unit we've got now."
Derbyshire asked, "No-one has suspected?" to which "Jane" said, "No."
The presenter told her, "I'm flabbergasted, I can barely believe it, but it's clearly true. Do you feel it's made you happier?"
"Jane", who said her win was "about three years ago", said, "It's nice because I know I haven't got to worry about bills.
"One of the little white lies is that I've cut my hours down at work but I tell him I work from home for the other two days.
"There's no fear of not being able to pay the mortgage and things like that."
Derbyshire told her, "I'm full of admiration for you, but is it not a betrayal of your relationship? You call them little white lies but it's a huge one, isn't it?"
The woman admitted, "It's absolutely huge and I feel terribly guilty in one way, but in another way, we've got two young children and I think, well, if their lives change dramatically then it's not fair on them. So I just want to keep things as they are."
Lottery operator Camelot said they could not confirm whether or not the caller was genuine.
Since the lottery is the state selling paper for $1 while giving back 50 cents of their revenue in prizes, I would say that each buyer of lottery tickets has already paid a 50 cent tax to the state by buying a ticket. State income tax on lottery winnings is unconscionable. Talk about the states double dipping.
Ahhhh love and marrage, based on compromise- NOT. One person thinking they know whats better then another person about what is best for the other person. Where have I seen that before? The person did something the other didn't like, so know they try to control the environment of that person. Why? Because they can - they are superior!
She was very smart to hide it from him, but very stupid to call a radio station and talk about. It the tabloid journalists track her down, she will have only herself to blame. Whatever about money buying happiness, it seems you can't buy wisdom.
What a sneaky lyin controlling broad! She won't tell the husband because he might wanna take off work, then she cuts back on her hours. Hope he find out , takes his fair share , then goes on a long wild vacation without her!
What a sneaky lyin controlling broad! She won't tell the husband because he might wanna take off work, then she cuts back on her hours. Hope he find out , takes his fair share , then goes on a long wild vacation without her!
Emily, If he was able to kick his "Small Drug Habit 15 years ago" why would money change things now? People quit certain habits and never look back. They do things when they're young and dumb, because they're young and dumb! If he was good enough to keep in the family for the last 15 years and be part of her "happy little family unit", then he's good enough to share the winnings with!
Yes she is a very smart woman. She is still a MILLIONARE! Her response to the question ("Is money guaranteed to make you happy?") could have been..."No my husband depleted our Lottery winings on drugs, and now we are broke." Again, a smart woman!!
Konformthismsf, please don't hate, congratulate! We can't judge her relationship/marriage: she knows her husband better than we do! You mentioned lying -- she never admitted to him that she won the money. Therefore, she didn't lie.
Finally, the possibility of the husband taking off work is only a morsel in the smorgasbord of goodies. What if he actually went back to his old drug ways? Hey, with all that money, he could go buck wild, devastating the little, cozy nest she has prepared. Why risk it all!
This is a great story, but I do feel bad for the husband. He's missing out on a lot! If he finds out (which is now likely), he will probably file for divorce ASAP.
Dphillips, she has lied many times over too him! I work at home now honey, i got a rise, i got a bonus.... Face the facts shes a lyin cheating sneaky woman. She called the show to release some of her guilt. If the situation was reversed i wonder what the response would be from all the women here?
Dphillips, she has lied many times over too him! I work at home now honey, i got a rise, i got a bonus.... Face the facts shes a lyin cheating sneaky woman. She called the show to release some of her guilt. If the situation was reversed i wonder what the response would be from all the women here?
The man was a drug addict for heavens sake. I've seen a drug addict sale the refrigerator out of the home with 4 kids and fight the person who was feeding the kids because they wanted the money for drugs. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to save people from themselves and keep them from hurting others.
You can't reason with someone on drugs. It's obvious that she cares for him otherwise she would have divorced him.
There's no difference if the situation would have been reversed. He would have been protecting the family like a man should.
We will see won't we? Storyline reads: Man whose wife hide lottery winning is on drugs again.LOL
She apparently thought he was reformed enough to father the 2 young children...
with the exception of the drug thing... she is lying because she fears he would want to do what 99% of lottery winners would?
that's insane... what if he hates his job but keeps it for her and the kids... I would wager she was lying about the whole affair... if (when? LOL) I would win millions, I would want to let my wife know we could spend much more time together (stress-free time, to boot!) and with the kids. I couuld see shielding the children to some extent for their own benefit (develop a positive work ethic... that starts earlier than most people think... learning the value of a dollar (pound?)... safety)
tenaj- her own words! "Jane" replied, "Fear that it would change our lives too dramatically. My husband had, many years ago, a small drug problem — around 15 years ago.
Small drug problem 15 years ago doesn't makes someone a drug addict! If it did most of us would be tagged as "Drug Addicts". Our country has been ran for the last 14 years by 2 admitted "years ago drug users" Are they "Drug Addicts"? . Sounds more to me like she has to dirty him up to make herself appear and feel better. If he was good enough to stay with for 15 years after the fact and help with the mortgage and kids then he should be good enough to be included on all life changing decisions.... The sneaky lyin wench probably even made him go buy the ticket with his money and lied to him about winning! LOL
tenaj- her own words! "Jane" replied, "Fear that it would change our lives too dramatically. My husband had, many years ago, a small drug problem — around 15 years ago.
Small drug problem 15 years ago doesn't makes someone a drug addict! If it did most of us would be tagged as "Drug Addicts". Our country has been ran for the last 14 years by 2 admitted "years ago drug users" Are they "Drug Addicts"? . Sounds more to me like she has to dirty him up to make herself appear and feel better. If he was good enough to stay with for 15 years after the fact and help with the mortgage and kids then he should be good enough to be included on all life changing decisions.... The sneaky lyin wench probably even made him go buy the ticket with his money and lied to him about winning! LOL
She apparently thought he was reformed enough to father the 2 young children...
with the exception of the drug thing... she is lying because she fears he would want to do what 99% of lottery winners would?
that's insane... what if he hates his job but keeps it for her and the kids... I would wager she was lying about the whole affair... if (when? LOL) I would win millions, I would want to let my wife know we could spend much more time together (stress-free time, to boot!) and with the kids. I couuld see shielding the children to some extent for their own benefit (develop a positive work ethic... that starts earlier than most people think... learning the value of a dollar (pound?)... safety)
Either it's a fabrication or she hates him...
Its not hate.. Trust me If I won a Million Bucks there is no way that my hubby would touch it... Been Married for 24 years but I know him well .. We would be broke in a week........its not hate it called Watching ya back...
Dphillips, she has lied many times over too him! I work at home now honey, i got a rise, i got a bonus.... Face the facts shes a lyin cheating sneaky woman. She called the show to release some of her guilt. If the situation was reversed i wonder what the response would be from all the women here?
Think about this... She could have left his A** with nothing !!!!!found a boyfriend. Moved to Japan and lived happy for ever and ever. But no she stayed with this man and wanted her family and life to stay the same. .. Look at the other lives that have been up rooted because of the winning in the past... Hello Smart Women Man does not think with head....
tenaj- her own words! "Jane" replied, "Fear that it would change our lives too dramatically. My husband had, many years ago, a small drug problem — around 15 years ago.
Small drug problem 15 years ago doesn't makes someone a drug addict! If it did most of us would be tagged as "Drug Addicts". Our country has been ran for the last 14 years by 2 admitted "years ago drug users" Are they "Drug Addicts"? . Sounds more to me like she has to dirty him up to make herself appear and feel better. If he was good enough to stay with for 15 years after the fact and help with the mortgage and kids then he should be good enough to be included on all life changing decisions.... The sneaky lyin wench probably even made him go buy the ticket with his money and lied to him about winning! LOL
OK, I see your point. A small drug problem 15 years ago
So I guess, if your wife was a shop-aholic fifteen years ago, and you have some extra money, you're justified in keeping it quite. Who knows she may want a divorce some day and the man would loose control of the funds. Obviously, any excuse is a good excuse. Something that happened 15 years previously over rules any "in sickness or health" clause. I have to remember that the next time I hear a woman complain about her husband not communicating in their marriage.
Facts are facts: She is concealing the truth from her spouse which she tries to justify for "his own good". Its a form of lying, plan and simple. Most times *money* in a marriage is a *control* tactic. He/She who has it makes the rules! Regardless of the overwhelming concensus that a drug user surely cant handle money, check your history books ! Betty Ford did wonders for the recovering alcoholics and I didnt see her go out and blow off her family fortune! Although she DID donate ALOT of money to charities and worthy causes. Sorry but I dont underestimate the power of humans to gain help and maintain recovery, especially after 15 years!
wait one second here.he had a drug problem and she was an angel.weather they were married or just living together, i fined it hard to believe .birds on a feather flock together.people do change.my highschool years was one big party back then ,but i'm doing pretty good today.sound like theres no trust in that marrage.
How many husbands conceal money from their wives? Guite a few I am sure. They keep their wives in the dark on what they are worth. What they make etc,etc. Goes on all the time.
How many husbands conceal money from their wives? Guite a few I am sure. They keep their wives in the dark on what they are worth. What they make etc,etc. Goes on all the time.
When I was at Cherokee Casino once a man sitting next to me playing Lucky 7's poker won a whopping amount of money. He cashed in and put the money in his pocket. Later his wife/girlfriend? came up and asked if he had been lucky and he said no. I couldn't believe it. LOL
I had just lost lots of money on that machine and moved over one seat hoping it will help and he sat down and within 5 minutes won the jackpot. go figure.
Tenaj, some people have all the luck. Since I don't player POKER but the slot machines, usually when I'm with friends and they ask me if I won, I'm so elated to share the winning experience with them.
Here's a story: when I was living on the east coast and visiting Atlantic City casinos (my second home away from home), I met this lady on the bus, whom I didn't know who befriended me, and upon arriving at the casino, treated me to breakfast.
So, after breakfast, we played the slots...when suddenly...I looked around and she was standing next to me. She told me: "I'm going to walk around because I ran out of money." I reached into my jacket and gave her $50.00 to play with.
Next. I returned to my machine, doing my 'thing'-- looking for my great reward (instead of the one allegedly in Heaven on judgment day) -- when a lady (not my new friend) ran up to me excitedly saying: "look, your friend is jumping up and down at her machine!" I immediately left my machine to find out what the excitement was about -- when my new friend told me she had won $250.00, and if it weren't for me, she wouldn't have won. I was just as excited as she was, and lo, and behold, she told everyone who would listen that I was the one who helped her out.
MORAL OF THE STORY: you never know how or when your luck will return -- whether its onefold, twofold, or fourfold -- in the course of your lifetime. This applies to the lottery as well!
I guess I'll add my 2 cents. I am on the side of those who said she's being a control freak. Even though I understand this lady's fear, I don't agree with her at all. Many years ago I was married to a very irresponsible man and would worry about the same problem...not drugs necessarily (although he liked getting high) but spending it on trips to Vegas, cars and partying. Yet I found out 20 years later he became a very successful businessman and runs an international company. People change. In fact, I seem to be heading in the opposite direction. Anyway, the one thing I know is that I could never live in a marriage without trust. I'm not judging her, since she wants to keep the family together. But it does sound as if she has no faith in her husband which is sad. I agree that both men & women keep secrets from each other, but I wonder how she'd feel if he won money and hid it from her.
Anyway, this story probably isn't even true, because couldn't she hire an attorney to set up a trust and protect the money for her children?
It may be the late hour that I read this post but, I got a laugh thinking about her hiding 1.5 million pounds around there house. There getting ready for work in the moring and he goes to grab something out of the fridge she stops him and gets it for him because she has hidden stacks of bills in the compartments. Sounds like something in a lotto commercial, that's probably what she wants to be on TV, she missed her 15 minutes the first time around wanted the attention and is now making up a story to get the press interested.
Tenaj, some people have all the luck. Since I don't player POKER but the slot machines, usually when I'm with friends and they ask me if I won, I'm so elated to share the winning experience with them.
Here's a story: when I was living on the east coast and visiting Atlantic City casinos (my second home away from home), I met this lady on the bus, whom I didn't know who befriended me, and upon arriving at the casino, treated me to breakfast.
So, after breakfast, we played the slots...when suddenly...I looked around and she was standing next to me. She told me: "I'm going to walk around because I ran out of money." I reached into my jacket and gave her $50.00 to play with.
Next. I returned to my machine, doing my 'thing'-- looking for my great reward (instead of the one allegedly in Heaven on judgment day) -- when a lady (not my new friend) ran up to me excitedly saying: "look, your friend is jumping up and down at her machine!" I immediately left my machine to find out what the excitement was about -- when my new friend told me she had won $250.00, and if it weren't for me, she wouldn't have won. I was just as excited as she was, and lo, and behold, she told everyone who would listen that I was the one who helped her out.
MORAL OF THE STORY: you never know how or when your luck will return -- whether its onefold, twofold, or fourfold -- in the course of your lifetime. This applies to the lottery as well!
I sure needed luck with those lucky 7's. My brothers taught me to play poker. ( I have 10 brothers) but it's not a game I play well or often, but when I go to the casino I like to play poker and blackjack.
The card game I like the best is "Whist" I'm good at that. But that guy lied to his wife and I'm sure he knew better.LOL
And you are right. You never know how your money will come back to you.
Tenaj, no she didn't return the money. Although she won, I didn't expect her to return my $50.00. Nevertheless, as far as luck is concerned, within 6 months I won $4,150.00, playing the slots at two different Atlantic City, NJ casinos on Monday, February 17 and Tuesday, February 18, 1997. I never forgot that windfall...I even recorded it in my calendar (which I still have).
Finally, I admit -- I got lucky and my luck probably had no connection with my being nice to someone (or was it?)
if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
The Thrill? Loves to gamble? The addiction of greed? The imfamous envy syndrome? Maybe the old man isn't the only one with a problem, she being the woman, does a better job of deceit. The power trip would be hard to turn down. She holds a grudge a long time, 15 years of hiding her fears - and contempt. You never caught me with my problem, so I am superior!
if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
The Thrill? Loves to gamble? The addiction of greed? The imfamous envy syndrome? Maybe the old man isn't the only one with a problem, she being the woman, does a better job of deceit. The power trip would be hard to turn down. She holds a grudge a long time, 15 years of hiding her fears - and contempt. You never caught me with my problem, so I am superior!
Emily...I always respect your posts and have told you so, but you think that deceit is OK in a marriage? For something 15 years ago? And, don't you think the money could be put in a trust and only a certain amount per year could be pulled out? There are other ways to handle this, but you instead side with someone not being truthful. Why, because she is a woman? If this was a man, I'd love to see your responses. Still think you are nice, just disagree with you wholeheartedly. Expound more than one sentence if you don't mind, love to know where you are coming from. And, if the role was reversed sexually, what would you think?
Women wins 1.7 million pounds. Husband spends it up in less than ayear on expensive living and long holidays in exotic destinations.
OR
Women wins 1.7million pounds and secures financial stability for her families future by knowing that revealing a tremendous win to a husband whose habit she knows better than anyone else may jeopardize everything that she played for.
He will eventually find out. Because she has proved.....her lips can be loose.
I read the other day that 52% of all marriages end in divorce, to me that is an indication of how much a spouse should trust their better half. If you watch the TV show "Cheaters", you might think it could be even worst.
Tenaj, no she didn't return the money. Although she won, I didn't expect her to return my $50.00. Nevertheless, as far as luck is concerned, within 6 months I won $4,150.00, playing the slots at two different Atlantic City, NJ casinos on Monday, February 17 and Tuesday, February 18, 1997. I never forgot that windfall...I even recorded it in my calendar (which I still have).
Finally, I admit -- I got lucky and my luck probably had no connection with my being nice to someone (or was it?)
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That was me that asked that question, not Tenaj. If I give $50 to a strange lady I don't expect it back either but I do expect to get lucky but not at the casino table if you know what I mean.
I read the other day that 52% of all marriages end in divorce, to me that is an indication of how much a spouse should trust their better half. If you watch the TV show "Cheaters", you might think it could be even worst.
Isn't that sad? According to the so-called experts, the #1 reason couples fight is about money. The number #2 reason for arguments is sex. So if you had lots of money, wouldn't that resolve a lot of the marital problems? In the case of the mystery woman here, she's afraid her spouse will return to his old lifestyle, which doesn't make sense if he's been working for all these years. That being said, I knew a man who came from a very poor family and invested in land in the 70s, got so stinking rich in the 80s that he bought a yacht, a mansion and a couple of expensive sports cars, one being a Ferrari. After that he started drinking a lot and had a few lost weekends (or lost months!) He cleaned his act up and was still very, very rich because he had invested most of it in real estate in the first place. When I read his obituary last year, I thought "why didn't I marry this dude?" I know - because of reason number 2. Boy was he lousy. God forgive me, but right now if I were a wealthy widow, that wouldn't matter to me in the least. But 2/20 is such painful hindsight!
if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
The Thrill? Loves to gamble? The addiction of greed? The imfamous envy syndrome? Maybe the old man isn't the only one with a problem, she being the woman, does a better job of deceit. The power trip would be hard to turn down. She holds a grudge a long time, 15 years of hiding her fears - and contempt. You never caught me with my problem, so I am superior!
chewie - you don't like women much - eh?
I happen to love women. I just happen to dislike hypocrites who say one thing and do another, or change with the wind. I dislike TV situation comedy's that make the man the bumbling fool, but portray the women as the senseble person. When an opportunity arises to to destroy the myth, I stand and express the truth. People don't like it, but, as every one knows, I don't care.
I guess I'll add my 2 cents. I am on the side of those who said she's being a control freak. Even though I understand this lady's fear, I don't agree with her at all. Many years ago I was married to a very irresponsible man and would worry about the same problem...not drugs necessarily (although he liked getting high) but spending it on trips to Vegas, cars and partying. Yet I found out 20 years later he became a very successful businessman and runs an international company. People change. In fact, I seem to be heading in the opposite direction. Anyway, the one thing I know is that I could never live in a marriage without trust. I'm not judging her, since she wants to keep the family together. But it does sound as if she has no faith in her husband which is sad. I agree that both men & women keep secrets from each other, but I wonder how she'd feel if he won money and hid it from her.
Anyway, this story probably isn't even true, because couldn't she hire an attorney to set up a trust and protect the money for her children?
It's possible in the UK because they have no taxes on lottery prizes, so you really can just stick it in the bank without anyone knowing.
I was wondering about her paying taxes on the money but that's great if the UK have no taxes lottery prizes. I would do the same thing too because I could see my family changing with a big windfall. Must be nice not having to worry about paying the bills and taking some time off from work. You go Girl!!!!!
Call her a liar if you want to. Call her a cheat if you want to! I prefer to call her a very SMART WOMAN! Yeah, you who disagree with her decision would be ridiculing her when they went broke because her husband used it up on drugs, and the childrens'lives were left in shambles. Then who would be there to support the children???? The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. It is her money and she can exercise the her right to make the wisest decision(s) when it comes to how it is to be spent. Did it EVER occur to any of you who think she is being deceptive that she might be doing the best thing for her husband and children. There is no utopia here on this earth. Get over it already!
Call her a liar if you want to. Call her a cheat if you want to! I prefer to call her a very SMART WOMAN! Yeah, you who disagree with her decision would be ridiculing her when they went broke because her husband used it up on drugs, and the childrens'lives were left in shambles. Then who would be there to support the children???? The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. It is her money and she can exercise the her right to make the wisest decision(s) when it comes to how it is to be spent. Did it EVER occur to any of you who think she is being deceptive that she might be doing the best thing for her husband and children. There is no utopia here on this earth. Get over it already!
This is the battle of the sexes. It can go on forever. It's obvious that this woman wanted this man around to kept the family intact. It's too bad she had to use deceit to do it, but a woman have to do for her children what a woman have to do. Some women stay in bad relationships waiting for children to grow up or go off to college.
Somehow I feel she thought she would lose him. It's possible with that much money he would have divorced or left her and the children.
"The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. " mylollipop
We all have the right to our opinions here, so I'll respect yours. But regarding Jack Whittaker, he gave away quite a bit of his prize to the homeless and built a church and other charitable groups. He started a foundation to feed and clothe poor people in West VA and create jobs. He even bought a house and a car for the cashier who sold him his winning ticket. Mr. Whittaker suffers from alcoholism, but his drinking problem didn't begin when he won all that money, and I certainly wouldn't say he blew all his money on it either. This is a very different situation, since Mr. Whittaker was already worth over a million when he won the PB. I don't know why I'm defending the man, because he certainly never gave me any money, but his name is brought up every time there's a discussion like this.
I still don't approve of lying to one's spouse, but if she is so sure her husband wouldn't be responsible with the money, then maybe I shouldn't judge her so harshly. However, if she does not have her money invested wisely and it's kept secretly from her family, should she become critically ill or die in an accident tomorrow, her children will never benefit from her good fortune and her husband will become a single working Dad with 2 children. If she's so sure he'd blow it all, then I certainly hope she's met with a good lawyer or appointed an executor of her will to manage her money should something unexpected arise.
Maybe her husband or his buddies were listening to the broadcast on his lunch break so her secret's out now! If she really needed to vent (and she's not making this whole story up) she should have paid a shrink or gone to a priest. At least they're sworn to secrecy!
I figured that Emily would let someone else answer for her. But still, if it was the other way around, not one of you has answered what you would be saying then. Also, exactly the point I was trying to make as well, when you lie or deceive your spouse and no one knows what you have, if you die tomorrow, you will be the only one that benefitted in the long run, and that is pure selfishness, no matter if she was a male doing the same thing to his family. Does anyone agree (mainly females)? I am not here to bash any female's opinion, just hope your marriages are more trusting than this one.
I figured that Emily would let someone else answer for her. But still, if it was the other way around, not one of you has answered what you would be saying then. Also, exactly the point I was trying to make as well, when you lie or deceive your spouse and no one knows what you have, if you die tomorrow, you will be the only one that benefitted in the long run, and that is pure selfishness, no matter if she was a male doing the same thing to his family. Does anyone agree (mainly females)? I am not here to bash any female's opinion, just hope your marriages are more trusting than this one.
her own words ..."he would give up work and start demanding luxury holidays."
that really is the only reason i'm sticking-up for her.
I don't know anything about this woman to say anything for her or against her. I DO know what I would do in MY situation...and that is to tell my husband. He's not responsible when it comes to money, but that's one of the many reasons he keeps me around. lol
IF and only IF, she's telling the truth, there is an easy way for her to figure out what her man would do. She needs to tell him that she just won $300K. See what he does. If he starts acting like a donkey, then she should leave him and still have her children's future financially secured. (kinda testing the waters)
I personally don't see where this marriage could end on a good note. She doesn't trust him enough to be honest. There is NO future there. He had a drug problem 15 years ago...so he's either STILL showing signs of weakness...or he's cleaned up his act completely. Only she knows which way, not us.
Personally, I think she's weak. Maybe she's in this marriage because it's a habit. Maybe because she really loves him and he's cleaned up. Maybe she is butt ugly with one good tooth in her head and even that's falling out. Who knows? Either way, she's with him. She needs counseling, either to help with her self-esteem issues or to help her from being deceitful. Counseling Counseling Counseling
Without knowing the players involved on a personal level, it seems to me that this woman has an issue with control. I get the feeling that she tucked the money away so he could not spend any of "her" money. I can understand wanting to hide a large sum of money away from friends, coworkers, and those not in her immediate family, but her husband? Must be lonely living where she is...
I have a feeling that there is more here than what this woman revealed on this talk show. Women who tend to hide things from their husbands are usually in some form of abusive relationships. They don't always talk to the world about the abuse until it gets out of hand or gets out into the public in some way. They will usually paint a rosie picture perfect marriage, but behind the scene, they are planning the great escape by putting away for a rainy day. I hope she is smart enough to have invested some of her winning in her childrens names and have consulted with their legal system. I also hope that she has provided for the husband incase something happens to her.
It's possible in the UK because they have no taxes on lottery prizes, so you really can just stick it in the bank without anyone knowing.
Just think, they don't have to worry about "Uncle Sam" sticking it to them, just before they stick the money into their Bank Accounts......hmmm, must be nice.......
"The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. " mylollipop
We all have the right to our opinions here, so I'll respect yours. But regarding Jack Whittaker, he gave away quite a bit of his prize to the homeless and built a church and other charitable groups. He started a foundation to feed and clothe poor people in West VA and create jobs. He even bought a house and a car for the cashier who sold him his winning ticket. Mr. Whittaker suffers from alcoholism, but his drinking problem didn't begin when he won all that money, and I certainly wouldn't say he blew all his money on it either. This is a very different situation, since Mr. Whittaker was already worth over a million when he won the PB. I don't know why I'm defending the man, because he certainly never gave me any money, but his name is brought up every time there's a discussion like this.
I still don't approve of lying to one's spouse, but if she is so sure her husband wouldn't be responsible with the money, then maybe I shouldn't judge her so harshly. However, if she does not have her money invested wisely and it's kept secretly from her family, should she become critically ill or die in an accident tomorrow, her children will never benefit from her good fortune and her husband will become a single working Dad with 2 children. If she's so sure he'd blow it all, then I certainly hope she's met with a good lawyer or appointed an executor of her will to manage her money should something unexpected arise.
Maybe her husband or his buddies were listening to the broadcast on his lunch break so her secret's out now! If she really needed to vent (and she's not making this whole story up) she should have paid a shrink or gone to a priest. At least they're sworn to secrecy!
1/24/2006
Happy Tuesday...."Just"
I appreciated your posting, as I always enjoy reading them, however...I must share this:
1st..You'd be surprised the number of Husbands, who withhold money from their wives and families..Some Men are expert at holding back money....and doing it w/an innocent smile on their faces.....They'll lie to you in a "heart beat" knowing full well it's all in the wallet.
2nd...Based on "jane's" story, she has obiviously learned a valuable lesson about finances and lifestyle, being married to a "former drug user"..he's already proven how irresponsible he can be. This "win" has given her the prime opportunity to put things right for her family, and I take my hat off to her.
3rd....I'm sure she has an "Iron clad Will" w/an Attorney to back that up...If she's as financially savvy as she apopears to be, her children will never want for anything, no matter what happens to her, in the future.
4th...I doubt her husband will ever find out, until she wants him to. She's come this far..3 years
Ahhhh love and marrage, based on compromise- NOT. One person thinking they know whats better then another person about what is best for the other person. Where have I seen that before? The person did something the other didn't like, so know they try to control the environment of that person. Why? Because they can - they are superior!
1/24/2006
oh...yeah amazing, and many of you "men" out there do it 24-7......so pleessssee give me a break.......thanks .."CHEWIE"
Hey, libra926, you brought to memory a situation that I know of personally. 18 years ago, a man I know was killed in a plane crash. He was a wealthy construction worker. He had a wife, three adult children and three grand children. He provided for his family, siblings, and a few faithful employees. Then surprise, suprise of AaaallllLLL surprises; he had a condo right under his family's nose in the city they lived in. A few months before he was killed in the crash, his wife found out that he had a condo in Las Vegas! Now that was keeping secrets. We do not know her story, True, but we ALL know that the Perfect Marriage is a fairytale.
There is no gender-ism here. If a man knew his wife would blow the earnings on drugs due to proven past irresponsibility, he would be foolish to open his wife back up to temptation!
Would you give an alcoholic a bottle of vodka? Would you? Especially when you know the alcoholics' history? Too much money in the hands of the wrong people WILL destroy. I hate to go back to the tragic Whittaker family, but the added wealth was the final point for that family. The exposure from the Christmas Day winnings helped to destroy that family. The grand daughter's habits changed and led to the demise of a friend, then finally her. Yes, Mr. Whittaker did good and the publicity helped to destroy his good.
She has a secret, but she is NOT selfish with her winnings. He benefits just the same!!!! She tells him that she has a raise. Have you self-righteous critics forgotten the fact that hubby dear is not being deprived?
Jus. 'cause you are married does not equal happiness. Stop lying ya'll. Who has not lied in marriage. Haven't you faked it to make her "think" she is doing what you like to encourage her to do more of the same????? And yeah, ya'll know women fake it to stroke your egoes or 'get it over with' if you have the "PROVERBIAL HEADACHE" at the time... A lie is a lie is a lie for whatever the reason. And let the one who has NEVER told a lie to be the first one to write another negative comment about this woman's WISE decision to protect her family. I hope she has gotten good legal and financial counseling. And Honey, keep your mouth shut until you so desire. Your hubby might be reading USAMEGA and figure it out.... When and if he does find out, have your house in order!
It pleases me to see someone else on this topic, thinking exactly the way I do on it......It also shows how "naive" some of us really are......so many posting here, wanted to make "jane " out to be a dishonest shrew....but I never saw it that way....She has essentially taken over the role of "provider" and "caretaker" in her family. She could have thrown her husband out years ago, but instead she stayed w/him...."for better and for worse, in sickness and in health"...she respected her marriage vows, and never turned her back on him.... Many a woman would have gotten rid of him, the minute they "struck pay dirt" w/the Lottery, but "jane" didn't...She chose to keep her family together....and her winnings intact. He's benefitted, as much as the Children......whats more, she never lied to him about it.....she simply didn't tell him she won..."Don't ask, Don't tell".........
Furthermore, as I stated in my initial posting, there are thousands of Men, who have money, stocks, investments and other properties....they "never" tell their wives about. And, it's not because she's got an addiction of any kind....It's because it makes them feel powerful, to be in control of so many assests, that they can hold them back, as long as they like, or share them with whom ever they like...."Whats mine is yours" is nothing more than 'cliche'....It really means, whats mine is yours, "IF" I decide to share it with you......I said earlier and I'll say it again, having read "jane's " story, I take my hat off to her.....she never lied to him about that prize money, he never asked her.....however, she's helping to make a wonderful life for her family.
I can't judge this women because I have never been a victim of marriage. Winning the lottery gave her a chance to make choices and it doesn't matter what other people who can't make choices think as long as she was satisfied with the choices she made.
I can't judge this women because I have never been a victim of marriage. Winning the lottery gave her a chance to make choices and it doesn't matter what other people who can't make choices think as long as she was satisfied with the choices she made.
1/25/2006
This has been a very "hot topic".....as there are now 73 postings on it......I do believe the story is real, however, reading thru some of the opinions, gives one a good indication of how people would handle the same situation if they were living it.
I would think that she could have easily set up some sort of trust, allowing her children (and other family members) to be taken care, herself having enough to never worry about, AND able sharing it with the husband. Surely there must be some lawyer who could arrange that. However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area.
I would think that she could have easily set up some sort of trust, allowing her children (and other family members) to be taken care, herself having enough to never worry about, AND able sharing it with the husband. Surely there must be some lawyer who could arrange that. However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area.
HAPPY THURSDAY...."CHEWIE".....1/26/2006
I don't understand how you can say:
" However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area."
How is "jane"not forgiving ?? sharing??...She is married to a Man, who used to have a Drug Addiction..And there is no guarantee, that he, like so many others, will not fall prey to that again at some point. She continues to be his faithful and loving wife. She is indeed sharing her winnings w/him and her Children. What else should she do?? If she were to reveal her winnings to him, chances are, he may fall prey to Drug usage again, and do so, behind her back. He certaininly would not announce it to her face to face. He'd just sneak around "using" and seduce her into giving him more and more money to support his habit...It's very hard for former Drug users to back away, from re-usage when temptation strikes(money)....She showed forgivness by staying married to him, she shares it with him, by helping to provide for their home and lifestyle.
Forgiving? Still complaining about something he did 15 years earlier. Not trusting some one 15 years later, which is the justification for hiding the money. Awfully close to being unforgiving. Faithful and loving wife? That is assumption, as valid as her being a woman who screws whoever she wants, just to prove she can. All this based on the "may" word? That word has the validity of the "if" word. Maybe he will become a druggie again. Then again, maybe he has become the pillar of their neighborhood. Maybe she is a shrew, who just found out punishment is easier then forgiveness. I know ex-druggies who lead a life my Christians lie about living. Will power is all it takes.
Again, I stilll think a trust would solve the problem, without turning yourself into a decietful person. Unless of course, that was the goal all along.
Forgiving? Still complaining about something he did 15 years earlier. Not trusting some one 15 years later, which is the justification for hiding the money. Awfully close to being unforgiving. Faithful and loving wife? That is assumption, as valid as her being a woman who screws whoever she wants, just to prove she can. All this based on the "may" word? That word has the validity of the "if" word. Maybe he will become a druggie again. Then again, maybe he has become the pillar of their neighborhood. Maybe she is a shrew, who just found out punishment is easier then forgiveness. I know ex-druggies who lead a life my Christians lie about living. Will power is all it takes.
Again, I stilll think a trust would solve the problem, without turning yourself into a decietful person. Unless of course, that was the goal all along.
And no I'm not related in any way, shape or form to Chewie.
Chewie has made valid points and you ladies might not agree. But all in all it's not entirely your fault for that way of thinking. I can place a very small amount of the blame on the male gender. Like it has been said before, "all it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the barrel", and that's exactly how your mothers have taught you to view most men. If men make one particular mistake, (in your eyes) men are bound by the heavens to repeat it, "WRONG". Just the dummies out there that don't learn from their mistakes do that! And that's not just held to the men to make the same mistake twice, women do it too just as much as the men do, women just don't get caught as often as the men do! I personally believe, it's because women are the better game players than the men. But how can women not be the better game players, it's because women have done it all of their natural born lives!
Once guilty, always guilty. Good, now that is settled, lets make all prisons one way; in no out. Especially for smoking pot. Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
Ya gotta love it. I keep reading how Christianity is the major religon on this country. Then I read how decietfulness is the appropriate path, and foregiveness is not. When in doubt, 15 years later, condem the druggie husband and bless the lying wife. Heaven must be an interesting place. Full of liars, but no former druggies. Ahh, sooooooo glad I'm in the minority.
I would think that she could have easily set up some sort of trust, allowing her children (and other family members) to be taken care, herself having enough to never worry about, AND able sharing it with the husband. Surely there must be some lawyer who could arrange that. However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area.
You have to remember Chewie that we live our always always being. Meaning that all the experiences and the other stuff we are made of make us what we are always being. Whether we are shy, introverted, extroverted, trusting, loving, untrusting, Jeffrey Daumer, etc.
We all don't put together information the same, even with the same experience. The lady could have been uninformed in a lot a things (lack of trust) and it is possible that she was doing the best she c.
Everybody ain't as smart as we are.lol But you would have thunk.
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
Now, that's hitting the nail on the head! That's almost like the age old saying. "Once A Cheater, Always A Cheater" (which has been proved time and time again, over the decades!)
Aaaahhh Yeah, Chewie.... You see, there is not a single relationship on planet earth that is ideal. And the "T" word Trust? In God, we trust---100%; others we try to believe in 50%. Those liars, etc. are not in heaven, nor will they go. They, along with other hypocrits will join the master liar who was kicked out centuries ago along with 1/3 of heaven's population. You see Chewie, there are those people who do and move on and say their apologies when needed. Then there are those people who are self righteous hypocrits, throwing stone after stone when they live in glass houses They can not see clearly what they are saying about another person because there is a huge beam in their eyes blocking view of a tiny splinter in the eye of the person they are dumping on.. Have you ALWAYS been honest????????
Aaaahhh Yeah, Chewie.... You see, there is not a single relationship on planet earth that is ideal. And the "T" word Trust? In God, we trust---100%; others we try to believe in 50%. Those liars, etc. are not in heaven, nor will they go. They, along with other hypocrits will join the master liar who was kicked out centuries ago along with 1/3 of heaven's population. You see Chewie, there are those people who do and move on and say their apologies when needed. Then there are those people who are self righteous hypocrits, throwing stone after stone when they live in glass houses They can not see clearly what they are saying about another person because there is a huge beam in their eyes blocking view of a tiny splinter in the eye of the person they are dumping on.. Have you ALWAYS been honest????????
Since you brought it up, I don't believe in God, nor do I believe in some super mean guy with horns and black wings. I have seen too many body bags of people who asked their lord to save them. Never was someone saved by a prayer. They would have died, or lived, with or without the prayer. Based on the Bible, the only real proof of a God is his continuous destruction of his creations during temper tantrums. Massive floods, fires, and, lets not forget the slaughter of babies in Egypt. My favorite is sending them into the theaters to be eaten by lions or chopped into pieces by galdiators. All this based on something passed down as heresay by people who could neither read nor write. Sorry, I don't buy into the heaven and hell theory, any more then I buy into day of judgement. If there is a God, why hasn't he provided any proof of his existance since science started advancing? Surely, there would be something, a burning bush maybe. A virgin impregnated by a great warrior dressed in white and flying around with wings? How about him standing in a house in Texas and telling a woman to drown her children; alla Abraham scenerio? How about we count up the bodies listed in the Bible? Ooops, there are too many to count. Of course it be impossible, too many millions of years of earth were overlooked in the Bible; no room I guess. How about counting up the dead that were part of religious efforts? The Crusades of the Christians against the Muslims? How about today, Muslims killing hundred of thousand in the name of religion? How about a christian dominated United States, led by a devote religious person, killing hundred of thousands of Muslims? Where was God when his chosen people were being slaughtered by Hitler? He would never have let this happen before people could read or write. Humm, I wonder is there is a connection between that. Priest, men of God, no longer torture or burn women at the stake? Could it be that education had something to do with not buying into religious superstitions? Could be! Or, maybe, men of God don't have time to stone women to death for adultry, they're too busy in the back room with little boys and their leaders are too busy covering it up.
I have always wondered why people always start throwing the "Bible" around so easily when they get their butt into tight spots for? Is it because they have no other "Valid" thoughts for a comeback to someone else's view point that have undeniable merit to them? That must be the reason behind it, but who knows why they do it for.
So, in all fairness, lets give the bible thumper a chance to validate their reason for being here! So, I ask this one question of the one person who is throwing the bible around? What are you doing on a site that vacillates or encourages gambling for? I'd like to see a valid answer to that question. And I don't mean your being here as a so call messenger of God, to get us sinners to change our ways either!
But as far as I'm concerned, there is no good reason for a bible thumper to be here on this site! So. I'll call it like I see it! Stop throwing stones while living in a glass house yourself! And you are a Self Righteous Hypocrite to boot! Please stop talking out both sides of your mouth, if you wish to have anyone take what you have to say seriously.
And just for the record, I do believe in Jesus Christ, not that I owe you an explanation or anything! But I just didn't want to be the next victim of your bible thumping attack!
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
HAPPY SUNDAY....."CHEWIE"....
I still don't see her so-called "mis-trust"....He is benefitting Financially from her prize winnings just as their children are..."Jane" has never kept the money to herself. She is sharing her life and money w/him & the Kids.......Furthermore, as far as "trust" and the term "shrew" is concerned What do you call a Man, who has Stocks, Bonds, IRA's, Investments of all kinds and Secret Savings Accounts, that he doesn't voluntarily tell his wife about???....Sometimes she learns about it by accident, when she opens the mail, and finds a Financial Statement, outlining everything, or perhaps he's about to go into the Hospital for Surgery, and he then, out of fear for his life, decides to tell her at the last minute......after years and years of marriage have passed. What kind of Man does this???? And do you realize how many do it???.....Plenty......For whatever the reason, hundreds of Men do this.......
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
Ya gotta love it. I keep reading how Christianity is the major religon on this country. Then I read how decietfulness is the appropriate path, and foregiveness is not. When in doubt, 15 years later, condem the druggie husband and bless the lying wife. Heaven must be an interesting place. Full of liars, but no former druggies. Ahh, sooooooo glad I'm in the minority.
Addendum:
Forgiving a Person, doesn't mean that you place every tempation in front of him, to challenge or test his weaknesses.....Obviously, she loves him and forgave him because she could have walked out on him but didn't. She chose to stay, as I posted earlier, to maintain her family and marriage. To me, there is love and yes, even trust there. There may also be more to her life story, w/him. He has proven to her, that he cannot handle money well, perhaps during the time he "used" he threw away a considerable amount of money, doing so. I'm just keeping this real....In order to "use" even the "bad stuff" you need money....& $$$$$$$$ of it, to support the habit.
He probably threw away enough to scare her, and it taught her a hard lesson. Which I can appreciate in this day and time...I have watched programs, and read stories of Celebrities, very rich people, who "threw away millions" on Drugs & Alcohol.....and to this day still regret it, and the effects it had on their families & marriages.......I understand your position, but to me, she shows love and trust by trying the best way she can to make a life w/him.....
Hypothetically.....You know your Son has stolen money from your wallet before. You take your wallet out of your pocket at night and place it on the top of the dresser. Are you going to leave it where he can walk by and seeing it lying there, to be tempted to steal from it again and again, or put it somewhere out of sight, to keep him from being tempted????...You still give him money whenever he needs it, but does forgiveness and trust mean that you put temptation in front of him??????
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
HAPPY SUNDAY....."CHEWIE"....
I still don't see her so-called "mis-trust"....He is benefitting Financially from her prize winnings just as their children are..."Jane" has never kept the money to herself. She is sharing her life and money w/him & the Kids.......Furthermore, as far as "trust" and the term "shrew" is concerned What do you call a Man, who has Stocks, Bonds, IRA's, Investments of all kinds and Secret Savings Accounts, that he doesn't voluntarily tell his wife about???....Sometimes she learns about it by accident, when she opens the mail, and finds a Financial Statement, outlining everything, or perhaps he's about to go into the Hospital for Surgery, and he then, out of fear for his life, decides to tell her at the last minute......after years and years of marriage have passed. What kind of Man does this???? And do you realize how many do it???.....Plenty......For whatever the reason, hundreds of Men do this.......
A bad a doesn't make a Bad B better or worse. In both descriptions, the people losers. Just because one person did something, doesn't take the heat off of another. Politicians do this all the time. Hollywood celebrities do it all the time. They're both losers.
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
Ya gotta love it. I keep reading how Christianity is the major religon on this country. Then I read how decietfulness is the appropriate path, and foregiveness is not. When in doubt, 15 years later, condem the druggie husband and bless the lying wife. Heaven must be an interesting place. Full of liars, but no former druggies. Ahh, sooooooo glad I'm in the minority.
Addendum:
Forgiving a Person, doesn't mean that you place every tempation in front of him, to challenge or test his weaknesses.....Obviously, she loves him and forgave him because she could have walked out on him but didn't. She chose to stay, as I posted earlier, to maintain her family and marriage. To me, there is love and yes, even trust there. There may also be more to her life story, w/him. He has proven to her, that he cannot handle money well, perhaps during the time he "used" he threw away a considerable amount of money, doing so. I'm just keeping this real....In order to "use" even the "bad stuff" you need money....& $$$$$$$$ of it, to support the habit.
He probably threw away enough to scare her, and it taught her a hard lesson. Which I can appreciate in this day and time...I have watched programs, and read stories of Celebrities, very rich people, who "threw away millions" on Drugs & Alcohol.....and to this day still regret it, and the effects it had on their families & marriages.......I understand your position, but to me, she shows love and trust by trying the best way she can to make a life w/him.....
Hypothetically.....You know your Son has stolen money from your wallet before. You take your wallet out of your pocket at night and place it on the top of the dresser. Are you going to leave it where he can walk by and seeing it lying there, to be tempted to steal from it again and again, or put it somewhere out of sight, to keep him from being tempted????...You still give him money whenever he needs it, but does forgiveness and trust mean that you put temptation in front of him??????
Trust is just another word for temptation; it is all about acting appropraitely in any given circumstance. Remeber when computers first started, their were all the experts who kept breaking into the backdoors. most went to jail. Hoever, the experts were immediately hired by the same banks to create the protection systems. To do that, they had to have access to all the portals and codes. Amazingly enough, continued theft was a rarity, and even this day, you can thank the forgiving bank leaders for yuor money being safe today. No one benefits from mistrust and every one gains from trust and forgiveness. It is how life is supposed to work. Some one cuts you off on the freeway, do you react in the mood that every one will cut you off? NO! You initiate trust. On the freeway, that trust can cost more then money, it can cost the life of you and your family. Trust someone, and they can run you off the road. Or do you go on your way and say that was the exception to the rule? Ithink you would choose the latter.
The woman, in this case, chose to be a deceit and unforgiving. Which is worse? A husband who used to be a druggie, or a wife who cheats and lies? My choice goes to the husband. Think of me a forgiving banker.
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
HAPPY SUNDAY....."CHEWIE"....
I still don't see her so-called "mis-trust"....He is benefitting Financially from her prize winnings just as their children are..."Jane" has never kept the money to herself. She is sharing her life and money w/him & the Kids.......Furthermore, as far as "trust" and the term "shrew" is concerned What do you call a Man, who has Stocks, Bonds, IRA's, Investments of all kinds and Secret Savings Accounts, that he doesn't voluntarily tell his wife about???....Sometimes she learns about it by accident, when she opens the mail, and finds a Financial Statement, outlining everything, or perhaps he's about to go into the Hospital for Surgery, and he then, out of fear for his life, decides to tell her at the last minute......after years and years of marriage have passed. What kind of Man does this???? And do you realize how many do it???.....Plenty......For whatever the reason, hundreds of Men do this.......
Gee, I hardly ever agree with Chewie, but he has valid points. Everyone seems to be forgetting what money is gained in marriage, is marital money. One spouse cannot hide assets from the other and claim it to be for good cause. All this woman had to do was file for divorce, agree to set up some of the winnings for the kids, give him his half and what he does with his money is his business, not hers. She is a control freak. She is dishonest, and why is this a gender battle? Staying with someone 15 years after they cleaned up their act, then withholding assets is nothng honorable and it still means she lacks trust in him. Be done with it. Divvy up the money and let him go.
Thank you Jorli D. I frequently find your position conflicts with mine. But I will always support your right to think and say what you feel. I can ignore it, accept it, debate it, or even argue it. Sometimes, I'll just turn off the computer and go fishing for a week or two. Honesty is all I expect - and the gumption to speak honestly; not hide behind some shield.
And I will never HIDE behind a filter to protect myself from what you say.
Thank you Jorli D. I frequently find your position conflicts with mine. But I will always support your right to think and say what you feel. I can ignore it, accept it, debate it, or even argue it. Sometimes, I'll just turn off the computer and go fishing for a week or two. Honesty is all I expect - and the gumption to speak honestly; not hide behind some shield.
And I will never HIDE behind a filter to protect myself from what you say.
nice to see you're Always honest and never lie. atta chewie!!!
My thought is that I think this women was not afraid that her husband will start using again or blow the money. I think the women was afraid of losing him. Some people will dis their spouses in a heartbeat if they had the money.
Thank you Jorli D. I frequently find your position conflicts with mine. But I will always support your right to think and say what you feel. I can ignore it, accept it, debate it, or even argue it. Sometimes, I'll just turn off the computer and go fishing for a week or two. Honesty is all I expect - and the gumption to speak honestly; not hide behind some shield.
And I will never HIDE behind a filter to protect myself from what you say.
But Chewie, others will hide behind the shield! When all it takes is not to answer a posting or to plainly look past someones posting that you don't care to see! That shield feature was given by the administrator of this site to those who may wish to use it! That is their given right to do so if they feel they need it!
And God knows I have had my fill of spats here with others that I don't agree with, so what! I still look at what they post in the places I like to read. I don't see the reasoning to shield what they have to say to others for, just because I didn't get along with them and we didn't see eye to eye! To tell you the truth Chewie, I'm probably the one person that shield feature is used on most by those who I didn't get along with! And I don't doubt that one bit! Now that's what I call "A Sure Bet" if there ever was one!
I have always wondered why people always start throwing the "Bible" around so easily when they get their butt into tight spots for? Is it because they have no other "Valid" thoughts for a comeback to someone else's view point that have undeniable merit to them? That must be the reason behind it, but who knows why they do it for.
So, in all fairness, lets give the bible thumper a chance to validate their reason for being here! So, I ask this one question of the one person who is throwing the bible around? What are you doing on a site that vacillates or encourages gambling for? I'd like to see a valid answer to that question. And I don't mean your being here as a so call messenger of God, to get us sinners to change our ways either!
But as far as I'm concerned, there is no good reason for a bible thumper to be here on this site! So. I'll call it like I see it! Stop throwing stones while living in a glass house yourself! And you are a Self Righteous Hypocrite to boot! Please stop talking out both sides of your mouth, if you wish to have anyone take what you have to say seriously.
And just for the record, I do believe in Jesus Christ, not that I owe you an explanation or anything! But I just didn't want to be the next victim of your bible thumping attack!
FYI
Religion and education. To understand religion is to be educated. The word lottery is related to the word LOTS. Lots was an anciet way of making decisions.
"And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said, "Lord, Who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two Thou hast chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles." (Acts 1:12-26 RSV).
As with all things, we make choices based on the experiences we have had in life. Some are good, not so good, then some are absolutely horrible! But they are our choices for our lives. What is good for you might not be good for me, vice versa.
If this husband knew, he would probably jump up and down and thank his wife for saving him from himself. Having that money would have been like setting a trap for his downfall.
The so-called liberal minded get all choked up when someone freely expresses their opinion(s)..ever notice that??? The liberal become the judgemental...hmmmn. I speak (write) what I care to say because of my freedom to express my opinions, like the smart lady expressed her right to make what was to her a wise decision to choose how her family was going to reap the benefits of her winnings. No one appears to be hurting
No one in Christianity is FORCED to change. Change comes within because you want to change. It is a CHOICE, just like the smart lady made her choice. If you espouse to that line of thinking, then good for you. If you do not, then still good for you. She chose to keep secret, good for her and I have the choice to agree, like others have the choice to disagree. That is the beauty of C-H-O-I-C-E. Live and letlive
"...next victim of Bible-thumping attack? What kind of attack is being leveled on the lady who chose to keep silent?" She has been called a lot of negative things...
But then, keep in mind is the glass half-empty OR half full?
I have always wondered why people always start throwing the "Bible" around so easily when they get their butt into tight spots for? Is it because they have no other "Valid" thoughts for a comeback to someone else's view point that have undeniable merit to them? That must be the reason behind it, but who knows why they do it for.
So, in all fairness, lets give the bible thumper a chance to validate their reason for being here! So, I ask this one question of the one person who is throwing the bible around? What are you doing on a site that vacillates or encourages gambling for? I'd like to see a valid answer to that question. And I don't mean your being here as a so call messenger of God, to get us sinners to change our ways either!
But as far as I'm concerned, there is no good reason for a bible thumper to be here on this site! So. I'll call it like I see it! Stop throwing stones while living in a glass house yourself! And you are a Self Righteous Hypocrite to boot! Please stop talking out both sides of your mouth, if you wish to have anyone take what you have to say seriously.
And just for the record, I do believe in Jesus Christ, not that I owe you an explanation or anything! But I just didn't want to be the next victim of your bible thumping attack!
FYI
Religion and education. To understand religion is to be educated. The word lottery is related to the word LOTS. Lots was an anciet way of making decisions.
"And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said, "Lord, Who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two Thou hast chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles." (Acts 1:12-26 RSV).
As with all things, we make choices based on the experiences we have had in life. Some are good, not so good, then some are absolutely horrible! But they are our choices for our lives. What is good for you might not be good for me, vice versa.
If this husband knew, he would probably jump up and down and thank his wife for saving him from himself. Having that money would have been like setting a trap for his downfall.
The so-called liberal minded get all choked up when someone freely expresses their opinion(s)..ever notice that??? The liberal become the judgemental...hmmmn. I speak (write) what I care to say because of my freedom to express my opinions, like the smart lady expressed her right to make what was to her a wise decision to choose how her family was going to reap the benefits of her winnings. No one appears to be hurting
No one in Christianity is FORCED to change. Change comes within because you want to change. It is a CHOICE, just like the smart lady made her choice. If you espouse to that line of thinking, then good for you. If you do not, then still good for you. She chose to keep secret, good for her and I have the choice to agree, like others have the choice to disagree. That is the beauty of C-H-O-I-C-E. Live and letlive
"...next victim of Bible-thumping attack? What kind of attack is being leveled on the lady who chose to keep silent?" She has been called a lot of negative things...
But then, keep in mind is the glass half-empty OR half full?
To understand religion is to be educated, is this what your saying? Now if that isn't a line of BS if I ever heard it! Religion has nothing to do with being educated or not! It just goes to show that you have been to church and studied the bible, like a good Christian! To quote scripture (like you do) and to be on a lottery site like you are, just shows me that you are a "Hypocrite". To use the bible like you have, also shows me you're weak and that you really don't have any convictions of any kind! Well, at least none that you can adhere to for any substantial amount of time!
I wonder what your minister/preacher/pastor would say about your activities? I wonder if you're a person leading two different lives?. One that goes to church just to show your community that you are a God fearing human being. And second a person who gambles on the lottery. Mmm, I wonder if the reason for your being on a lottery site isn't to gain knowledge to attain monetary riches that are beyond the riches that God can provide you through his teachings? What's the matter isn't Gods riches that he gives to you through his teachings good enough for you? It must not be! Because you're a member of this site that encourages gambling for monetary riches, "not spiritual riches!"
You see wearing a mask like you are shows you're a deceitful person and a serpent that speaks with a forked tongue!
She made the right choice for her. She was a STRONG woman. Most likely she had more than enough ridicule from bitter, downtrodden, men (and women) who use every excuse and accusation possible to ridicule her. You know, like the men who were ready to stone the woman caught in adultery (and in secret; they were very likely to have been one of her suitors )! Then Jesus intercepted and said, "Let the first without sin be the first to throw a stone". The bashers walked away.No doubt, this story hit the heart of mankind. Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote about this situation in his novel, "The Scarlett Letter". Like Hester Prynee, she CHOSE to keep silent to protect the 'the good minister Dimmesdale'; an obviously weak man. Hester did waht she thought was best to protect... The woman who kept her lottery winnings secret did what she thought was best to protect...
Ain't funny
who the nay sayers are throughout the centuries!!!!! These people are weak boo hoo'ers who have so much on their own plates that the need to eat and digest. A digestive system that is overloaded makes one irritable, canterkous, etc., thus the term full of _ _ _ t. After properly digesting the food on their own plates, maybe, just maybe, they will see that the one they ridiculed was not nearly as bad as they thought she was; rather, in fact, she was much better than they.
Stop defending the woman in the story for her choice! You might think someone of your nature is strong, but in reality you are weak! Just take a long hard look at yourself, you're trying to hide behind scripture! What's the matter with you, didn't God give you a brain so you could think for yourself? Or is it that's all you know how to do is to quote scripture from the bible to get your point across? I hope it's not the ladder for your sake. Because you're failing tremendously!
Now, I hope to see the valid reason you think you may have for being on a site that encourages gambling (since you are such a bible thumping Christian)! Of course it hasn't came as of yet and I doubt it ever will! All I have seen so far is this, that and the other thing being brought up. That's because you have no "Valid" reason for being here! First off, No Devout Christian would be caught on such a site! Unless they are a "Hypocrite", which you are and it shows. And I think I have proved that beyond a shadow of doubt in plain words that anyone could understand!
And may God help us all, if you are in any way shape or form better than anyone on this earth!
Stop defending the woman in the story for her choice! You might think someone of your nature is strong, but in reality you are weak! Just take a long hard look at yourself, you're trying to hide behind scripture! What's the matter with you, didn't God give you a brain so you could think for yourself? Or is it that's all you know how to do is to quote scripture from the bible to get your point across? I hope it's not the ladder for your sake. Because you're failing tremendously!
Now, I hope to see the valid reason you think you may have for being on a site that encourages gambling (since you are such a bible thumping Christian)! Of course it hasn't came as of yet and I doubt it ever will! All I have seen so far is this, that and the other thing being brought up. That's because you have no "Valid" reason for being here! First off, No Devout Christian would be caught on such a site! Unless they are a "Hypocrite", which you are and it shows. And I think I have proved that beyond a shadow of doubt in plain words that anyone could understand!
And may God help us all, if you are in any way shape or form better than anyone on this earth!
Even you...smile, I am here because it is my choice to be here. Please have a most enjoyable day Mine is!
It is my choice to be here also, and I always have a great day. I never have to worry about some myth destroying my pleasure. Heresy, branding, and burning at the stake was banned was banned with education. Strangely enough, the power of the groups that preached it have also decline. Thank GOD those groups are now going broke and shutting down their private schools of hate mongering. Fewer and fewer free thinkers have to put ten percent of their income into the little envelopes. Long live the ability to do what you want!
Exactly, Chewie, long live the ability to do what you want . And that is EXACTLY what the woman did who did not tell her husband about her winnings. Whew , finally...
It is hard to compete with childish fonts and immature icon displays. As long as you support deceitfulness, there is no debate; only dishonor and bigotry. Three cheers for deceitfulness, the Godly support it - the same for Andrea Yates. God was also her driving force. I apologize for supporting forgiveness. Jesus supported forgiveness and was nailed to a cross. First class lesson.
you'd be surprised at how often felons win major prizes.you'd figure after they do they would leave the criminal life behind if they had any sense.....
Exactly, LOTTOMIKE. This situation re-inforces what the woman who hid her earnings from her husband did. (January 20th, 2006 LottoPost). The temptation is too great for a person who has been addicted to drugs and/or is in recovery, to pass up getting back into old habits with all that money to support the habit(s).
if i had a husband on drugs for 15 years .don't want to change his life style of living .and i won the lotteryi will never tell the b****.because when he was o drugs he did'n want help or even try.yes people change'but not all . i will take care of my children and get along with my life.it is'n that the guy been on drugs for 15 or 2 days .thats whole 15years damit so he was not trying to change for the better
ment of his family.give him more money he will use more drugs.so if he wants to go to rehab tell him u will go.but girl keep your money and take care of your children.some people only no ya when
You are blabbering nonsense. The offense was 15 years pervious, NOT going on 15 years. Read page one! How do you know what kind of husband or person the man was? She stayed with him for 15 years. She is either a masochist or stupid. Take your choice. Neither option quialifies her for sainthood. Deceit and lying does qualifier for some where else!
You are blabbering nonsense. The offense was 15 years pervious, NOT going on 15 years. Read page one! How do you know what kind of husband or person the man was? She stayed with him for 15 years. She is either a masochist or stupid. Take your choice. Neither option quialifies her for sainthood. Deceit and lying does qualifier for some where else!
You are blabbering nonsense. The offense was 15 years pervious, NOT going on 15 years. Read page one! How do you know what kind of husband or person the man was? She stayed with him for 15 years. She is either a masochist or stupid. Take your choice. Neither option quialifies her for sainthood. Deceit and lying does qualifier for some where else!
mr. perfect - stop insulting people.
That is not an insult, it is a fact. Nonsense is when it does not make sense. The statement was nonsense. By the way, I'm not perfect. The last perfect guy was crucified. Strange, in a world of women superiority, it was the man who was perfect. Strange indeed. Oh, and contrary to the propaganda, the nails were not in the hand, they were in the wrist. Means all the pictures are believes in falsehood. Which brings us back to nonsense.
the whole "would quit his job and demand luxury holidays"... I don't know about the "demand" part... but what lottery winner's spouse wouldn't?
I would LOVE to be able to say to my wife... "you never have to work for someone else again!", I would do the same(quit work)... providing the amount was high enough.
she has no sympathy, this mystery winner... she somehow deserves days off of work while her husband must continue to work as if their future depended on it... sickening.
I hope he finds out and divorces her... if they really exist. (which I doubt)
For the drug use... the only way that the money would re-kindle the drug use is if it never went away... money magnifies problems, it rarely creates problems that weren't there... but I doubt it would dredge up a 15 year old drug problem... He has been supposedly doing his part for 15 years.... she isn't a team player... she's the weakest link... goodbye!
DoubleDown, where are you? I did not see your comment(s) here. I like reading your view on things; especially your motto---"sometines you are the windsheild and sometimes you are the bug". What is your opinion on this subject?
we all have life experiences which make us react to this story in a particular way.
That is so true, EmilyG. It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
No, it's not funny but it's true, people do base their opinions on relationship matters on experience for the most part. That's the point I was trying to make. Whether I laugh at it, or if it has happened without me being aware of it is a mute point.
They would say whatever it took to get you to buy their product. Ethics and integrity would not be an issue. They are superior people, they have to be respected.
Emilyg, I would think to most people the statement "Once A Cheater, Always A Cheater" would be self explanatory as to what the research found. But I guess there are clueless people out there that don't have simple reasoning skills, nor do they have the ability to come to that conclusion!
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
and what did the research show?
Research shows that once confidence has been destroyed in a relationship, it is difficult to regain the confidence though not impossible. It sometimes takes yearsto rebuild the trust depending upon how each person involved reacts to previous life experiences and experiences with the party in the relationship regarding trust issues.
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
and what did the research show?
Research shows that once confidence has been destroyed in a relationship, it is difficult to regain the confidence though not impossible. It sometimes takes yearsto rebuild the trust depending upon how each person involved reacts to previous life experiences and experiences with the party in the relationship regarding trust issues.
What research? Research shows? Name the document. Was this an Oprah wisdom; like her phony book reviews? Maybe it was documented on the Dr. Phil show; that is an arena the world can believe in - kind of like his phony products. Jerry Springer? Now there is some thing every one can accept.
Isn't there something in the unquestionable Bible about forgiveness? Or was the subject overlooked?
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
and what did the research show?
Research shows that once confidence has been destroyed in a relationship, it is difficult to regain the confidence though not impossible. It sometimes takes yearsto rebuild the trust depending upon how each person involved reacts to previous life experiences and experiences with the party in the relationship regarding trust issues.
What research? Research shows? Name the document. Was this an Oprah wisdom; like her phony book reviews? Maybe it was documented on the Dr. Phil show; that is an arena the world can believe in - kind of like his phony products. Jerry Springer? Now there is some thing every one can accept.
Isn't there something in the unquestionable Bible about forgiveness? Or was the subject overlooked?
I wonder which source you based your position on.
Now were talking about Unconditional Love!
We must allow each person the right of free will to walk their own path either creating steps or to sit a while if they so choose, and make no judgment of their steps and deeds they undertake.
In humility we must bow to the realization that the way we see is best for ourselves does not have to mean that it is also right for someone else. We must realize that we cannot know what is best for another person even though sometimes we think we do!
We have not been where they have been viewing life from the angle they have. We have not walked life looking through their eyes and so we do not know what they have chosen to learn or how they have chose to learn it. What we call life Is A Big Lesson!
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Chewie, Yes you are right forgiveness is in the bible. We can't pull a speck out of our brother's eye when we have one in our own. Let those who have not sinned cast the first stone, hmmmmmm, I shall drop my stone now! But even grater than Forgiveness is our judgment upon another when really we do not know why she made the decision she has because we walk not in her shoes or have viewed life through her eyes. To each their own.
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
you avoided my question. what many research people?? what research?
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
We must allow each person the right of free will to walk their own path either creating steps or to sit a while if they so choose, and make no judgment of their steps and deeds they undertake.
But even grater than Forgiveness is our judgment upon another when really we do not know why she made the decision she has because we walk not in her shoes or have viewed life through her eyes.
Forgiveness comes in second place to self-belief. Gobility-goop. That mentality desecrates the whole concept of a jury trail; which is the basis of JUSTICE in America. You would have to have been a mother and a killer to understand why she killed her children. That is as silly a concept as acting like a prophet speaking in the third person. The story, in the Good Book, about the Noah Flood is a prime example of foregiveness. Bless the Lord, or he'll have a temper tamturm and initiate genicide on you and all you neighbors.
i think that she made the right decision not to tell her husband... and think about it ...if she didn't have the money she would have alot to worry about..but she got all that money and three years later she dont have nothing to worry about.. i think she did good... more power to her... and i want to wish her alot of luck...
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
Hi Tenaj,
Thank you, I admire your wisdom as well! It makes Sense!
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
What light? What blessing? How much did you pay for that blessing last year? 52 sundays, plus a few holy days thrown in. Donations each time? How much? How much for the candles? Every see a preacher in the welfare line? Ever see one in the unemployment line? Ever see one "ascend" into heaven? Used to do it all the time. Then came science and technology. All of a sudden, the magic is gone. When was the last great healer? Where is the great seual to the Bible? Something must have happened in the past several thousand years to write about. Guess all the worthy people had to be around in the beginning; no late comers to the great party. All the late comers I;ve heard about turned out to be a scam.
DoubleDown, where are you? I did not see your comment(s) here. I like reading your view on things; especially your motto---"sometines you are the windsheild and sometimes you are the bug". What is your opinion on this subject?
I just read this whole 13 page thread . Whew !
It looks like a lot of LP members are the bugs right now and a lot of other members are the windshield !!
SPLAT !!
Seriously, the back and forth bickering is getting amped up on both sides of the issue and everyone believes they are right, and that's cool.
One thing is for sure: The woman did this 3 years ago and we can argue until the proverbial cows come home if it was good or bad, but in this particular family's case, it just might have worked out.
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
What light? What blessing? How much did you pay for that blessing last year? 52 sundays, plus a few holy days thrown in. Donations each time? How much? How much for the candles? Every see a preacher in the welfare line? Ever see one in the unemployment line? Ever see one "ascend" into heaven? Used to do it all the time. Then came science and technology. All of a sudden, the magic is gone. When was the last great healer? Where is the great seual to the Bible? Something must have happened in the past several thousand years to write about. Guess all the worthy people had to be around in the beginning; no late comers to the great party. All the late comers I;ve heard about turned out to be a scam.
Chewie - Light is what comes out of your eyes when you wake up in the morning and the opposite of darkness.
Blessings
your job
your good health
your car
your home
your food
your water
your clothes
the people who love you
your good mind
encouragement
receiving love
being embraced
your wife
your children
loving parents
your friends
the computer you sit behind
Your freedom of speech
Your freedom
peace
love, sex
LP members
Todd
laughter
your joy
hope
your existence
You are a blessing Chewie and the light shine on you everyday.
emilyg, I avoid nothing in life. But since you asked here are just a couple examples.
Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth, numbers show that 60% of men, and about 40% of women, will have at least one extramarital affair in their lifetime. However, since she also concludes that accuracy is questionable to some extent, there is no way to be certain. The Kinsey Report stated that 50-60% of middle and upper-income males under the age of 60 had participated in at least one affair, and that 40-50% of women in the same bracket had done so.
The University of Chicago has published the most conservative statistics, stating that 21.2% of men, and 11.3% of women have had an unfaithful relationship.
o 85% of women who feel they have a cheating spouse are correct.
o 50% of men who feel they have a cheating spouse are correct.
o 70% of married women do not know about their spouses' affair.
o 54% of married men do not know about their spouses' affair.
Marital Infidelity Facts
A 1983 study found that 29 percent of married people under 25 had had an affair with no statistical difference between the number of men and women who chose to be unfaithful to their spouses.
Another study concluded that by age 40 about 50 to 65 percent of husbands and 45 to 55 percent of wives become involved in an extramarital affair.
A 1987 study surveyed 200 men and women and found that their affairs lasted an average of two years.
One study found that 47 percent of wives who were employed full-time and 27 percent of full-time homemakers had been involved in an affair before they were 40 years old.
Men and women have affairs for different reasons. Research has shown that women seek affairs in order to be loved, have a friend, and feel needed. Men seek affairs for sexual fulfillment, friendship, and fun.
Sorry Tenaj; nothing you mentioned has anything to do with a blessing; and not all that you mentioned are good things. Definetly, none of them came from some bibical gibberish. Especially freedom of speech. When the bibical fanatics had their way, there is no freedom of speech. Have you forgotten that hearesay was punishable by having your tounge cut out, or hanging? Have you forgotten that fornication, by a women, was punishable by death; or at the very least, branding with a hot poker? But it was acceptable for a man to find a whore (anopther blessing from women). Have you forgtten that women had zero place in society in the bible; even the blessed virgin - verses a non-blessed virgin - only served one purpose. To procreate and breast feed! The womans claim to fame is their begatting ability! NOt my decision, the writers of the bibles decision. None of billions of women during the old testiment or new testiment did a single thing worthwhile; at least not worth mentioning. Except to produce men. Men who did great things and were worth mentioning. No women ever received an education until the religious fanatics started to loose there domanance. Even today, the Mormons and Catholics consider women second class people. Ever seen a femal Rabbi? Name one prophit who resembled a woman. Sounds to me like a bunch of sheep need a cause that is on their side.
No, nothing I have is "blessed," everything I have, I earned, took, or fought for.
emilyg, I avoid nothing in life. But since you asked here are just a couple examples.
Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth, numbers show that 60% of men, and about 40% of women, will have at least one extramarital affair in their lifetime. However, since she also concludes that accuracy is questionable to some extent, there is no way to be certain. The Kinsey Report stated that 50-60% of middle and upper-income males under the age of 60 had participated in at least one affair, and that 40-50% of women in the same bracket had done so.
The University of Chicago has published the most conservative statistics, stating that 21.2% of men, and 11.3% of women have had an unfaithful relationship.
o 85% of women who feel they have a cheating spouse are correct.
o 50% of men who feel they have a cheating spouse are correct.
o 70% of married women do not know about their spouses' affair.
o 54% of married men do not know about their spouses' affair.
Marital Infidelity Facts
A 1983 study found that 29 percent of married people under 25 had had an affair with no statistical difference between the number of men and women who chose to be unfaithful to their spouses.
Another study concluded that by age 40 about 50 to 65 percent of husbands and 45 to 55 percent of wives become involved in an extramarital affair.
A 1987 study surveyed 200 men and women and found that their affairs lasted an average of two years.
One study found that 47 percent of wives who were employed full-time and 27 percent of full-time homemakers had been involved in an affair before they were 40 years old.
Men and women have affairs for different reasons. Research has shown that women seek affairs in order to be loved, have a friend, and feel needed. Men seek affairs for sexual fulfillment, friendship, and fun.
thank you. might be best to avoid mad dogs and women in life.
Sorry Tenaj; nothing you mentioned has anything to do with a blessing; and not all that you mentioned are good things. Definetly, none of them came from some bibical gibberish. Especially freedom of speech. When the bibical fanatics had their way, there is no freedom of speech. Have you forgotten that hearesay was punishable by having your tounge cut out, or hanging? Have you forgotten that fornication, by a women, was punishable by death; or at the very least, branding with a hot poker? But it was acceptable for a man to find a whore (anopther blessing from women). Have you forgtten that women had zero place in society in the bible; even the blessed virgin - verses a non-blessed virgin - only served one purpose. To procreate and breast feed! The womans claim to fame is their begatting ability! NOt my decision, the writers of the bibles decision. None of billions of women during the old testiment or new testiment did a single thing worthwhile; at least not worth mentioning. Except to produce men. Men who did great things and were worth mentioning. No women ever received an education until the religious fanatics started to loose there domanance. Even today, the Mormons and Catholics consider women second class people. Ever seen a femal Rabbi? Name one prophit who resembled a woman. Sounds to me like a bunch of sheep need a cause that is on their side.
No, nothing I have is "blessed," everything I have, I earned, took, or fought for.
chewie - there have been female rabbis since early 1970's. first one was rabbi sally priesand.
chewie - there have been female rabbis since early 1970's. first one was rabbi sally priesand.
Wow - must be a lot of scared 12-and-a- half year old Jewish males running around! Took. from the beginning of time, until the 1970's! Wow, thats progression. Can't believe they got over that thing about Adam playing in Eve's Bush so soon. Too bad the other fanatics haven't changed their opinion of women. Say a mere two hundred years earlier. Fewer women would have been BURNED ALIVE! Must be something to brag about back at the old monestary; you know the place, where women cannot go - except to clean and service.
Sorry Tenaj; nothing you mentioned has anything to do with a blessing; and not all that you mentioned are good things. Definetly, none of them came from some bibical gibberish. Especially freedom of speech. When the bibical fanatics had their way, there is no freedom of speech. Have you forgotten that hearesay was punishable by having your tounge cut out, or hanging? Have you forgotten that fornication, by a women, was punishable by death; or at the very least, branding with a hot poker? But it was acceptable for a man to find a whore (anopther blessing from women). Have you forgtten that women had zero place in society in the bible; even the blessed virgin - verses a non-blessed virgin - only served one purpose. To procreate and breast feed! The womans claim to fame is their begatting ability! NOt my decision, the writers of the bibles decision. None of billions of women during the old testiment or new testiment did a single thing worthwhile; at least not worth mentioning. Except to produce men. Men who did great things and were worth mentioning. No women ever received an education until the religious fanatics started to loose there domanance. Even today, the Mormons and Catholics consider women second class people. Ever seen a femal Rabbi? Name one prophit who resembled a woman. Sounds to me like a bunch of sheep need a cause that is on their side.
No, nothing I have is "blessed," everything I have, I earned, took, or fought for.
Ignorance of the Law does not justify breaking it, nor does ignorance of the bible justify or warrant such statement. There is only one Judge and its not you, I or any other man, woman, or child on this earth. There are man made laws and the law of God. Take your pick!
This is not bible class so I shall let it rest at what I shall prove here.
Clearly, woman was created equal in value to man (Gen. 1:27). Man, however, was inadequate by himself (Gen. 2:18). Alone of all creatures, she was created from man and for man. All others, including man, were created from "dust". Though equal, woman was created with a special role different from man.
Women were at the crucifixion and at the resurrection. It was the women who prepared the spices and oils to anoint the body of Christ. They are the ones who were first at the tomb. It was a woman who first saw and recognized the Savior after his resurrection. When he was raised, Christ entrusted the an- announcement of his resurrection to a woman and she was instructed to, "Go quickly and tell his disciples that he is raised from the dead." See Matthew 28:5-7 and John 20:1- 18.
Paul got the message loud and clear. In Galatians 3:28, the equality of women before God is affirmed: "...there is neither male or female." Paul supported wholly the worth of women and their equality in salvation, but realized that men and women have different roles and different challenges. Though writing that all Christians must submit one to another (Ephesians 5:21), he recognized that women especially are to be subject to their husbands (Ephesians 5:22-24; Colossians 3:18). Similarly, though all Christians are to love one another (Romans 13:8), men especially are to love their wives (Ephesians 5:25).
Clearly, if we review the whole scope of women in the Scriptures and the history of women in the early church, we must conclude that women are not second class Christians. Far from it!
It serves men and women to properly understand and respect the intent that God has for women. Are there differences in function? Clearly! But not "superiority" and not "inferiority! " God loves all His children equally.
Yes, I am a woman. I can pass another human being out through my body! What Can You Do? LOL
It has everything to do with the original subject. I brought up forgiveness. The religious fanatics brought up mumbo-jumbo about angels, devils, and fearing “Jesus The Illegitimate”. I bought out valid contradictions to myths, biblical gibberish, and bigotry. Simple solutioin, stop throwing religious mumbo-jumbo in peoples face and threads like this won't go where they have.
It has everything to do with the original subject. I brought up forgiveness. The religious fanatics brought up mumbo-jumbo about angels, devils, and fearing “Jesus The Illegitimate”. I bought out valid contradictions to myths, biblical gibberish, and bigotry. Simple solutioin, stop throwing religious mumbo-jumbo in peoples face and threads like this won't go where they have.
This is not bible class so I shall let it rest at what I shall prove here.
Clearly, woman was created equal in value to man (Gen. 1:27). Man, however, was inadequate by himself (Gen. 2:18). Alone of all creatures, she was created from man and for man. All others, including man, were created from "dust". Though equal, woman was created with a special role different from man.
Not a bible class, then the first thing out of your mind is that "shall" garbage based on the bible. Looks like a bible class to me. Typical superstitious babble. Based on other myths in your favorite fictional book, that special role was obviously two-fold; relief of sexual frustration for man and baring children; oops, I mean begat. In most cases, repeateded incestious begatting. For years (??) everything was great, pre-begatting and actual begatting. When done begatting, restart the cycle again. Then Adam got too carried away and went to that forbidden area. Really upset the old man; first recorded temper tantrum in history - assuming you buy into the myths. Man, did he go ballistics - WOW! Then he got mellow, allowed Cain to murder Able, then run off into the woods so he pre-begat the babe produced through hocus-pocus. 'Course, if it wasn't hocus-pocus, the it was incest. Cool! Hillbilly's every where are now standing true to the intended image of his creator. Hey babe, you're equal to man! Now get on your back and allow him to accomplish a little pre-begatting. Then you can begat incestious children. Get concept. Obvious NOW isn't buying into it, but a lot of other women are!
God loves all His children equally.
Did you miss the part about feeding his children to the lions - so they could be ripped apart, limb by limb, splilling their guts all over the area, then eaten alive? Did you miss the part about Soddom? Did you miss the part about Noah? You accept the premise that genocide of whole races is showing love for his children? You find it is acceptable to put to death any living creature; because you were having a bad day?
Women were at the crucifixion and at the resurrection. It was the women who prepared the spices and oils to anoint the body of Christ. They are the ones who were first at the tomb. It was a woman who first saw and recognized the Savior after his resurrection. When he was raised, Christ entrusted the an- announcement of his resurrection to a woman and she was instructed to, "Go quickly and tell his disciples that he is raised from the dead.
Lets see if I got this right. The men are out resting in the open air, women were inside the cave for the cleanup, dishwashing, floor washing, and candle lighting. Then they're used as runners for the carrying the will of man. (Wasn't there some lind pebble blocking the door - how did they plan to get in? Oh, another myth, there was not rock!) She was instructed! Not, would you please! Hey you, women, get off your little gold mine and go do my bidding. The men are the leaders, not you house cleaners, so hop to it! Now thats equality! Of course, one would have to buy into the unproven myth to believe that fairy tale. Unless you're a masochist, and like the concept of sitting around waiting to do the bidding of a man.
... he recognized that women especially are to be subject to their husbands
Now thats the good part. Guess the rest doesn't matter. Oh, and when you're done with the cooking, cleaning, and educating of the children, come over here and help me lesson the tension!
All you have "proven" is that superstition and fear is your bases of life. You proved that you honor a mass murder with sacrifices of additional slaughers. You proved that you condone incest. You proved that you thrive on the thought that drowning of any non-believer is the only course of action. You proved that, when provocked, you would have no problem pouring hot lava on children of all ages. You proved that burning women at the stake, or branding a female fornicator with a hot poker, are actions of a supreme being. The great part is, you give 10% of what you make to ensure you do not anger your supreme being. The decendant of those disciples have to love watching the sheep feeding the donation basket. Steady income, and the benefits of little innocent, virgin, boys! Hey - modern day Arch-Angeles spreading the seed! Cool job. Yep, you've proven you're point. Thou shalt not be a free thinker; if you do, God will strike you and your children dead! Make him really mad, and he may burn your little daughter at the stake! Be sure to buy lots a K-Y Jelly in your sons back-pack; he might run into a priest some day.
Pardon me, I was going to comment on this article, but after reading the posts, I am honestly confused about what is being talked about!
I'll just leave this one alone; not interested in offending anyone.
Regards, Mel
Nor am I Mel , but just one quick comment :
The original dialogue was whether or not this particular lady done the right thing by keeping the lottery winnings secret from her husband for 3+ years.
Oh, it started out fairly clean, but has digressed into a hateful spewing that needs to die- no one wins these things...
As far as the article, this lady was apparently trying to do the right thing by everyone in her family. Because of this, everyone has prospered in some kind of way by the money, even though she kept it secret.
I wonder what people would say if she had divorced his butt after she had received the money.....would the topic of religion still be brought up?
It has everything to do with the original subject. I brought up forgiveness. The religious fanatics brought up mumbo-jumbo about angels, devils, and fearing “Jesus The Illegitimate”. I bought out valid contradictions to myths, biblical gibberish, and bigotry. Simple solutioin, stop throwing religious mumbo-jumbo in peoples face and threads like this won't go where they have.
I only trust myself - and that's a questionable choice
"I only trustmyself- and that's a questionable choice"
We have forgotten that Chewie. Well, at least I did. I will remember that the next time I read a thread of yours.
Mel, you and DD are absolutely right. But, I just realized why the topic took the turn that it did. Yeah, Mel, now that would have been reason for a 16 page++++ thread. But as you so aptly read, she was trying to protect and provide for her family at the same time. She was able to do that by keeping her win, secret. Which brings me to another question. Do you or any of the Lottery Post Group, know of any statistics on winners of lotteries who have kept their winnings secret vs. those who have gone public---I mean , are the ones who go public likely to squander their winnings? VS. the ones who keep quiet about their winnings?
Lollipop, I've done the studying....and truth be told, lots of people would rather keep their winnings secret rather than go public because of safety and personal reasons. That's why I applaud this lady for doing what she did.
To be honest with you all, I would have done the same thing. I have done the same thing with just winning hundreds instead of millions and to this day, my family still don't know. I don't knock anybody for making a decision like that in order to keep order.
Thanks for pointing out this issue, it really brings light to this subject.
If they kept it secret, how would you know about it? If you knew about it, it wouldn't be a secret. That is like asking if a woman was pregnant, but never gave birth, would any one know. She didn't keep it a secret, that is why it is public knowledge. Strange how that works!
What I'd like to know, is how many marriages last when one side is secretive, lying, and deceitful? You can't hide money and not acknowledge you're spending money that isn't supposed to exist; that is lying. Hiding money from your spouse is deceitful. Doesn't matter if both sides do it, or it is a trait of the average marriage. There is more then one way to be a cheating spouse, and this woman carries the trophy for that category for the year 2005. Doesn't matter what the justification. Cheating is cheating. Lying is lying. Deceiving is deceiving.
How would any of you feel if you found out your spouse was a liar, a cheat, and the last several years of your marriage was based on deceit? Would you be so proud, you would buy television and radio time to brag about your spouse being a cheat, liar, and deceit? Would you still take the position, my transgression isn't as bad as what your's might be some day? Do you teach your children that lying, cheating and deceiving is the way to go, based on a hunch? Do you tell the little league team down the street to lie, cheat and deceive to win; because you think it would be better for the neighborhood? Where do you draw the line? Why draw a line? As long as it suits your viewpoint, lying, cheating, and deceiving should be acceptable. Not for the other person, just for you.
Chewie, that what you posted is simply outrageous.
The reason why I applaud this woman is simple: she kept her winnings a secret to protect her husband from potential drug abuse.
In marriage, we are taught to love, honor and cherish our spouses. Did she cheat him out of the money? No. Did she still stay with him even though because of his previous drug abuse they almost lost everything? Yes. So, chewie, I ask you, doesn't this prove that she honored her vows?
This has nothing to do with being lying, cheating, or even deceitful. This has to do with old-fashioned common sense. She knew that by exposing that she won a large amount of money that it might tempt him to go back to his old, horrible ways. Since you mentioned children, do you think that it would have been profitable to them to be exposed to drug abuse? That might have happened if she had told him the truth.
In the future, please read things more carefully before jumping to drastic conclusions: you'll see the light more clearly.
I can see the key word here Mel. It's "might tempt", what the heck is she, a fortune teller or something? I think not! Like it had been said before, his habit was 15 years "prior" her win of the lottery! Now to stick around for 15 years after said drug habit and have kids with this man and then win the lottery and not tell her husband is Flat Out Deceitfulness! I don't care how you try to justify her choice to hide said lottery win from her husband, it's still deceit! Deceit doesn't have one meaning for this situation, but then it has another meaning that situation! It just doesn't work like that! Now to say she "may" have had probable cause to make the choice she did, could fly, but not for long in the justice system! Again, it would come down to the definition of the word deceit and if she practiced it or not! I honestly think that a judge or her peers would convict her on the grounds of practicing deceit and she would have to fork over his half to him, if it were to ever go to court! Heck if it was to go to divorce court she could lose it all to him for hiding the household assets! Under most laws in most (western style nations) that money belongs to them both "regardless", it's call community property and it wouldn't matter one bit as to why/reasons she hid the win from her husband, the court would run her butt through the grinder for her "DECEIT!" There is no question about that, Not one Bit! Just try it sometime and see what happens to your sorry a##!
I can see the key word here Mel. It's "might tempt", what the heck is she, a fortune teller or something? I think not! Like it had been said before, his habit was 15 years "prior" her win of the lottery! Now to stick around for 15 years after said drug habit and have kids with this man and then win the lottery and not tell her husband is Flat Out Deceitfulness! I don't care how you try to justify her choice to hide said lottery win from her husband, it's still deceit! Deceit doesn't have one meaning for this situation, but then it has another meaning that situation! It just doesn't work like that! Now to say she "may" have had probable cause to make the choice she did, could fly, but not for long in the justice system! Again, it would come down to the definition of the word deceit and if she practiced it or not! I honestly think that a judge or her peers would convict her on the grounds of practicing deceit and she would have to fork over his half to him, if it were to ever go to court! Heck if it was to go to divorce court she could lose it all to him for hiding the household assets! Under most laws in most (western style nations) that money belongs to them both "regardless", it's call community property and it wouldn't matter one bit as to why/reasons she hid the win from her husband, the court would run her butt through the grinder for her "DECEIT!" There is no question about that, Not one Bit! Just try it sometime and see what happens to your sorry a##!
Oh I'm Sorry did I say something about a Lottery ?
Yes, you did say something about a lottery, but this isn't a lottery forum, this is a " my point is right and the hell with what you think " forum .
It's really amazing that we have members that ask us to support each other, but then go into a personal attack mode whenever someone disagrees with their position.
What numbers do you like in the Mega Millions tonite ?
Lollipop and DD, you're right. UGLY is the key word here, which is exactly what this discussion has become. Everyone should be respected, no matter what their views are.
If you decide to get personal with someone in the disrepectful sense, you deserve what you get. As far as I am concerned, I should not have lost my temper over unadult-like foolishness.
Lollipop and DD, you're right. UGLY is the key word here, which is exactly what this discussion has become. Everyone should be respected, no matter what their views are.
If you decide to get personal with someone in the disrepectful sense, you deserve what you get. As far as I am concerned, I should not have lost my temper over unadult-like foolishness.
Good luck to you both and all on this system!
Regards, Mel
Exactly right my friends, and do you know how to end this?
Don't post anymore, because then the person who started all of this wont have anything to reply to unless the want to talk to their self! It's that simple. I was smart and adult enough to not respond after what I posted was twisted into ugliness because that person will pick out only what they want to see and not read everything, and again turn it into something ugly and rude.
Again the only way to stop it is to stop Feeding that person. The only way hate, and rudeness can survive is if it is feed its like a disease.
I totally agree - look at page 9, where lollipopstarted this gobbilty-goop, and all of you will stop feeding that self-glorifying UGLY superstitious biblical mythology about heaven and ejection of master liars:
Aaaahhh Yeah, Chewie.... You see, there is not a single relationship on planet earth that is ideal. And the "T" word Trust? In God, we trust---100%; others we try to believe in 50%. Those liars, etc. are not in heaven, nor will they go. They, along with other hypocrits will join the master liar who was kicked out centuries ago along with 1/3 of heaven's population. You see Chewie, there are those people who do and move on and say their apologies when needed. Then there are those people who are self righteous hypocrits, throwing stone after stone when they live in glass houses They can not see clearly what they are saying about another person because there is a huge beam in their eyes blocking view of a tiny splinter in the eye of the person they are dumping on.. Have you ALWAYS been honest????????
Chewie, if I offended you in anyway, do accept my apology. It was not my intent to offend anyone. And looking back at the post, I did address you personally. Nevertheless, accept my apology, will you, and let's get ready for that big PB jackpot this weekend. .
Now thats what I call remaining anonymous!!!!
It's possible in the UK because they have no taxes on lottery prizes, so you really can just stick it in the bank without anyone knowing.
Since the lottery is the state selling paper for $1 while giving back 50 cents of their revenue in prizes, I would say that each buyer of lottery tickets has already paid a 50 cent tax to the state by buying a ticket. State income tax on lottery winnings is unconscionable. Talk about the states double dipping.
man ...money makes people do some funny things
Maybe her Rolls Royce parked in front of the house created a guilty conscious.
Ahhhh love and marrage, based on compromise- NOT. One person thinking they know whats better then another person about what is best for the other person. Where have I seen that before? The person did something the other didn't like, so know they try to control the environment of that person. Why? Because they can - they are superior!
smart woman!!!
She was very smart to hide it from him, but very stupid to call a radio station and talk about. It the tabloid journalists track her down, she will have only herself to blame. Whatever about money buying happiness, it seems you can't buy wisdom.
What a sneaky lyin controlling broad! She won't tell the husband because he might wanna take off work, then she cuts back on her hours. Hope he find out , takes his fair share , then goes on a long wild vacation without her!
I agree she is a smart woman!
What a sneaky lyin controlling broad! She won't tell the husband because he might wanna take off work, then she cuts back on her hours. Hope he find out , takes his fair share , then goes on a long wild vacation without her!
yes and starts back on drugs.
Emily, If he was able to kick his "Small Drug Habit 15 years ago" why would money change things now? People quit certain habits and never look back. They do things when they're young and dumb, because they're young and dumb! If he was good enough to keep in the family for the last 15 years and be part of her "happy little family unit", then he's good enough to share the winnings with!
Yes she is a very smart woman. She is still a MILLIONARE! Her response to the question ("Is money guaranteed to make you happy?") could have been..."No my husband depleted our Lottery winings on drugs, and now we are broke." Again, a smart woman!!
Konformthismsf, please don't hate, congratulate! We can't judge her relationship/marriage: she knows her husband better than we do! You mentioned lying -- she never admitted to him that she won the money. Therefore, she didn't lie.
Finally, the possibility of the husband taking off work is only a morsel in the smorgasbord of goodies. What if he actually went back to his old drug ways? Hey, with all that money, he could go buck wild, devastating the little, cozy nest she has prepared. Why risk it all!
This is a great story, but I do feel bad for the husband. He's missing out on a lot! If he finds out (which is now likely), he will probably file for divorce ASAP.
Dphillips, she has lied many times over too him! I work at home now honey, i got a rise, i got a bonus.... Face the facts shes a lyin cheating sneaky woman. She called the show to release some of her guilt. If the situation was reversed i wonder what the response would be from all the women here?
Dphillips, she has lied many times over too him! I work at home now honey, i got a rise, i got a bonus.... Face the facts shes a lyin cheating sneaky woman. She called the show to release some of her guilt. If the situation was reversed i wonder what the response would be from all the women here?
You can't reason with someone on drugs. It's obvious that she cares for him otherwise she would have divorced him.
There's no difference if the situation would have been reversed. He would have been protecting the family like a man should.
We will see won't we? Storyline reads: Man whose wife hide lottery winning is on drugs again.LOL
In general, I applaud her for living modestly. That is wise.
However she has a serious problem with trust in her marriage.
I would not trade my wife for all this woman's money.
ummmm, isn't it marital money and isn't he entitled just like here in the U.S. Sounds like theft to me.
She apparently thought he was reformed enough to father the 2 young children...
with the exception of the drug thing... she is lying because she fears he would want to do what 99% of lottery winners would?
that's insane... what if he hates his job but keeps it for her and the kids... I would wager she was lying about the whole affair... if (when? LOL) I would win millions, I would want to let my wife know we could spend much more time together (stress-free time, to boot!) and with the kids. I couuld see shielding the children to some extent for their own benefit (develop a positive work ethic... that starts earlier than most people think... learning the value of a dollar (pound?)... safety)
Either it's a fabrication or she hates him...
tenaj- her own words! "Jane" replied, "Fear that it would change our lives too dramatically. My husband had, many years ago, a small drug problem — around 15 years ago.
Small drug problem 15 years ago doesn't makes someone a drug addict! If it did most of us would be tagged as "Drug Addicts". Our country has been ran for the last 14 years by 2 admitted "years ago drug users" Are they "Drug Addicts"? . Sounds more to me like she has to dirty him up to make herself appear and feel better. If he was good enough to stay with for 15 years after the fact and help with the mortgage and kids then he should be good enough to be included on all life changing decisions.... The sneaky lyin wench probably even made him go buy the ticket with his money and lied to him about winning! LOL
tenaj- her own words! "Jane" replied, "Fear that it would change our lives too dramatically. My husband had, many years ago, a small drug problem — around 15 years ago.
Small drug problem 15 years ago doesn't makes someone a drug addict! If it did most of us would be tagged as "Drug Addicts". Our country has been ran for the last 14 years by 2 admitted "years ago drug users" Are they "Drug Addicts"? . Sounds more to me like she has to dirty him up to make herself appear and feel better. If he was good enough to stay with for 15 years after the fact and help with the mortgage and kids then he should be good enough to be included on all life changing decisions.... The sneaky lyin wench probably even made him go buy the ticket with his money and lied to him about winning! LOL
are you and chewie brothers???
My brother's nickname is Chewbaca! But only cause he looks like the starwars guy...
My brother's nickname is Chewbaca! But only cause he looks like the starwars guy...
She apparently thought he was reformed enough to father the 2 young children...
with the exception of the drug thing... she is lying because she fears he would want to do what 99% of lottery winners would?
that's insane... what if he hates his job but keeps it for her and the kids... I would wager she was lying about the whole affair... if (when? LOL) I would win millions, I would want to let my wife know we could spend much more time together (stress-free time, to boot!) and with the kids. I couuld see shielding the children to some extent for their own benefit (develop a positive work ethic... that starts earlier than most people think... learning the value of a dollar (pound?)... safety)
Either it's a fabrication or she hates him...
Its not hate.. Trust me If I won a Million Bucks there is no way that my hubby would touch it... Been Married for 24 years but I know him well .. We would be broke in a week........its not hate it called Watching ya back...
smart woman!!!
Amen
Dphillips, she has lied many times over too him! I work at home now honey, i got a rise, i got a bonus.... Face the facts shes a lyin cheating sneaky woman. She called the show to release some of her guilt. If the situation was reversed i wonder what the response would be from all the women here?
Think about this... She could have left his A** with nothing !!!!!found a boyfriend. Moved to Japan and lived happy for ever and ever. But no she stayed with this man and wanted her family and life to stay the same. .. Look at the other lives that have been up rooted because of the winning in the past... Hello Smart Women Man does not think with head....
tenaj- her own words! "Jane" replied, "Fear that it would change our lives too dramatically. My husband had, many years ago, a small drug problem — around 15 years ago.
Small drug problem 15 years ago doesn't makes someone a drug addict! If it did most of us would be tagged as "Drug Addicts". Our country has been ran for the last 14 years by 2 admitted "years ago drug users" Are they "Drug Addicts"? . Sounds more to me like she has to dirty him up to make herself appear and feel better. If he was good enough to stay with for 15 years after the fact and help with the mortgage and kids then he should be good enough to be included on all life changing decisions.... The sneaky lyin wench probably even made him go buy the ticket with his money and lied to him about winning! LOL
If I won a million bucks the mrs. and I would plan it out together.
partnership... it works for what we earn now and it would no doubt work for more money.
if that is how she is, then it probably have been better for him if she DID leave his a** with nothing...
there's no way, it has to be a made up story just to get her on the air...
If I won a million bucks the mrs. and I would plan it out together.
partnership... it works for what we earn now and it would no doubt work for more money.
if that is how she is, then it probably have been better for him if she DID leave his a** with nothing...
there's no way, it has to be a made up story just to get her on the air...
who cares what's better for him - she assured her family a secure future.
When you KNOW what kind of spouse you have, sometimes it is best to keep quiet. She might need the money to put him in rehad one day if he relapses.
So I guess, if your wife was a shop-aholic fifteen years ago, and you have some extra money, you're justified in keeping it quite. Who knows she may want a divorce some day and the man would loose control of the funds. Obviously, any excuse is a good excuse. Something that happened 15 years previously over rules any "in sickness or health" clause. I have to remember that the next time I hear a woman complain about her husband not communicating in their marriage.
Facts are facts: She is concealing the truth from her spouse which she tries to justify for "his own good". Its a form of lying, plan and simple. Most times *money* in a marriage is a *control* tactic. He/She who has it makes the rules! Regardless of the overwhelming concensus that a drug user surely cant handle money, check your history books ! Betty Ford did wonders for the recovering alcoholics and I didnt see her go out and blow off her family fortune! Although she DID donate ALOT of money to charities and worthy causes. Sorry but I dont underestimate the power of humans to gain help and maintain recovery, especially after 15 years!
wait one second here.he had a drug problem and she was an angel.weather they were married or just living together, i fined it hard to believe .birds on a feather flock together.people do change.my highschool years was one big party back then ,but i'm doing pretty good today.sound like theres no trust in that marrage.
This deal works both ways as I see it
How many husbands conceal money from their wives?
Guite a few I am sure. They keep their wives in the dark on what they are worth. What they make etc,etc. Goes on all the time.
if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
for her family's security
This deal works both ways as I see it
How many husbands conceal money from their wives?
Guite a few I am sure. They keep their wives in the dark on what they are worth. What they make etc,etc. Goes on all the time.
When I was at Cherokee Casino once a man sitting next to me playing Lucky 7's poker won a whopping amount of money. He cashed in and put the money in his pocket. Later his wife/girlfriend? came up and asked if he had been lucky and he said no. I couldn't believe it. LOL
I had just lost lots of money on that machine and moved over one seat hoping it will help and he sat down and within 5 minutes won the jackpot. go figure.
Tenaj, some people have all the luck. Since I don't player POKER but the slot machines, usually when I'm with friends and they ask me if I won, I'm so elated to share the winning experience with them.
Here's a story: when I was living on the east coast and visiting Atlantic City casinos (my second home away from home), I met this lady on the bus, whom I didn't know who befriended me, and upon arriving at the casino, treated me to breakfast.
So, after breakfast, we played the slots...when suddenly...I looked around and she was standing next to me. She told me: "I'm going to walk around because I ran out of money." I reached into my jacket and gave her $50.00 to play with.
Next. I returned to my machine, doing my 'thing'-- looking for my great reward (instead of the one allegedly in Heaven on judgment day) -- when a lady (not my new friend) ran up to me excitedly saying: "look, your friend is jumping up and down at her machine!" I immediately left my machine to find out what the excitement was about -- when my new friend told me she had won $250.00, and if it weren't for me, she wouldn't have won. I was just as excited as she was, and lo, and behold, she told everyone who would listen that I was the one who helped her out.
MORAL OF THE STORY: you never know how or when your luck will return -- whether its onefold, twofold, or fourfold -- in the course of your lifetime. This applies to the lottery as well!
Em, thank you for your words of wisdom.....you're right on each account.
dphillips,
Did the lady return your $50? I've never thought giving money to other people to gamble would change my luck but just help me lose my money faster.
I guess I'll add my 2 cents. I am on the side of those who said she's being a control freak. Even though I understand this lady's fear, I don't agree with her at all. Many years ago I was married to a very irresponsible man and would worry about the same problem...not drugs necessarily (although he liked getting high) but spending it on trips to Vegas, cars and partying. Yet I found out 20 years later he became a very successful businessman and runs an international company. People change. In fact, I seem to be heading in the opposite direction.
Anyway, the one thing I know is that I could never live in a marriage without trust. I'm not judging her, since she wants to keep the family together. But it does sound as if she has no faith in her husband which is sad. I agree that both men & women keep secrets from each other, but I wonder how she'd feel if he won money and hid it from her.
Anyway, this story probably isn't even true, because couldn't she hire an attorney to set up a trust and protect the money for her children?
It may be the late hour that I read this post but, I got a laugh thinking about her hiding 1.5 million pounds around there house. There getting ready for work in the moring and he goes to grab something out of the fridge she stops him and gets it for him because she has hidden stacks of bills in the compartments. Sounds like something in a lotto commercial, that's probably what she wants to be on TV, she missed her 15 minutes the first time around wanted the attention and is now making up a story to get the press interested.
Tenaj, some people have all the luck. Since I don't player POKER but the slot machines, usually when I'm with friends and they ask me if I won, I'm so elated to share the winning experience with them.
Here's a story: when I was living on the east coast and visiting Atlantic City casinos (my second home away from home), I met this lady on the bus, whom I didn't know who befriended me, and upon arriving at the casino, treated me to breakfast.
So, after breakfast, we played the slots...when suddenly...I looked around and she was standing next to me. She told me: "I'm going to walk around because I ran out of money." I reached into my jacket and gave her $50.00 to play with.
Next. I returned to my machine, doing my 'thing'-- looking for my great reward (instead of the one allegedly in Heaven on judgment day) -- when a lady (not my new friend) ran up to me excitedly saying: "look, your friend is jumping up and down at her machine!" I immediately left my machine to find out what the excitement was about -- when my new friend told me she had won $250.00, and if it weren't for me, she wouldn't have won. I was just as excited as she was, and lo, and behold, she told everyone who would listen that I was the one who helped her out.
MORAL OF THE STORY: you never know how or when your luck will return -- whether its onefold, twofold, or fourfold -- in the course of your lifetime. This applies to the lottery as well!
The card game I like the best is "Whist" I'm good at that. But that guy lied to his wife and I'm sure he knew better.LOL
And you are right. You never know how your money will come back to you.
Tenaj, no she didn't return the money. Although she won, I didn't expect her to return my $50.00. Nevertheless, as far as luck is concerned, within 6 months I won $4,150.00, playing the slots at two different Atlantic City, NJ casinos on Monday, February 17 and Tuesday, February 18, 1997. I never forgot that windfall...I even recorded it in my calendar (which I still have).
Finally, I admit -- I got lucky and my luck probably had no connection with my being nice to someone (or was it?)
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if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
The Thrill? Loves to gamble? The addiction of greed? The imfamous envy syndrome? Maybe the old man isn't the only one with a problem, she being the woman, does a better job of deceit. The power trip would be hard to turn down. She holds a grudge a long time, 15 years of hiding her fears - and contempt. You never caught me with my problem, so I am superior!
if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
The Thrill? Loves to gamble? The addiction of greed? The imfamous envy syndrome? Maybe the old man isn't the only one with a problem, she being the woman, does a better job of deceit. The power trip would be hard to turn down. She holds a grudge a long time, 15 years of hiding her fears - and contempt. You never caught me with my problem, so I am superior!
chewie - you don't like women much - eh?
Emily...I always respect your posts and have told you so, but you think that deceit is OK in a marriage? For something 15 years ago? And, don't you think the money could be put in a trust and only a certain amount per year could be pulled out? There are other ways to handle this, but you instead side with someone not being truthful. Why, because she is a woman? If this was a man, I'd love to see your responses. Still think you are nice, just disagree with you wholeheartedly. Expound more than one sentence if you don't mind, love to know where you are coming from. And, if the role was reversed sexually, what would you think?
Question. Which story do we like the most.
Women wins 1.7 million pounds. Husband spends it up in less than ayear on expensive living and long holidays in exotic destinations.
OR
Women wins 1.7million pounds and secures financial stability for her families future by knowing that revealing a tremendous win to a husband whose habit she knows better than anyone else may jeopardize everything that she played for.
He will eventually find out. Because she has proved.....her lips can be loose.
litebets
I read the other day that 52% of all marriages end in divorce, to me that is an indication of how much a spouse should trust their better half. If you watch the TV show "Cheaters", you might think it could be even worst.
Tenaj, no she didn't return the money. Although she won, I didn't expect her to return my $50.00. Nevertheless, as far as luck is concerned, within 6 months I won $4,150.00, playing the slots at two different Atlantic City, NJ casinos on Monday, February 17 and Tuesday, February 18, 1997. I never forgot that windfall...I even recorded it in my calendar (which I still have).
Finally, I admit -- I got lucky and my luck probably had no connection with my being nice to someone (or was it?)
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That was me that asked that question, not Tenaj. If I give $50 to a strange lady I don't expect it back either but I do expect to get lucky but not at the casino table if you know what I mean.
I read the other day that 52% of all marriages end in divorce, to me that is an indication of how much a spouse should trust their better half. If you watch the TV show "Cheaters", you might think it could be even worst.
Isn't that sad? According to the so-called experts, the #1 reason couples fight is about money. The number #2 reason for arguments is sex. So if you had lots of money, wouldn't that resolve a lot of the marital problems? In the case of the mystery woman here, she's afraid her spouse will return to his old lifestyle, which doesn't make sense if he's been working for all these years. That being said, I knew a man who came from a very poor family and invested in land in the 70s, got so stinking rich in the 80s that he bought a yacht, a mansion and a couple of expensive sports cars, one being a Ferrari. After that he started drinking a lot and had a few lost weekends (or lost months!) He cleaned his act up and was still very, very rich because he had invested most of it in real estate in the first place. When I read his obituary last year, I thought "why didn't I marry this dude?" I know - because of reason number 2. Boy was he lousy. God forgive me, but right now if I were a wealthy widow, that wouldn't matter to me in the least. But 2/20 is such painful hindsight!
if she couldn't trust her husband with large sums of money... why was she even playing?
The Thrill? Loves to gamble? The addiction of greed? The imfamous envy syndrome? Maybe the old man isn't the only one with a problem, she being the woman, does a better job of deceit. The power trip would be hard to turn down. She holds a grudge a long time, 15 years of hiding her fears - and contempt. You never caught me with my problem, so I am superior!
chewie - you don't like women much - eh?
I happen to love women. I just happen to dislike hypocrites who say one thing and do another, or change with the wind. I dislike TV situation comedy's that make the man the bumbling fool, but portray the women as the senseble person. When an opportunity arises to to destroy the myth, I stand and express the truth. People don't like it, but, as every one knows, I don't care.
I guess I'll add my 2 cents. I am on the side of those who said she's being a control freak. Even though I understand this lady's fear, I don't agree with her at all. Many years ago I was married to a very irresponsible man and would worry about the same problem...not drugs necessarily (although he liked getting high) but spending it on trips to Vegas, cars and partying. Yet I found out 20 years later he became a very successful businessman and runs an international company. People change. In fact, I seem to be heading in the opposite direction.
Anyway, the one thing I know is that I could never live in a marriage without trust. I'm not judging her, since she wants to keep the family together. But it does sound as if she has no faith in her husband which is sad. I agree that both men & women keep secrets from each other, but I wonder how she'd feel if he won money and hid it from her.
Anyway, this story probably isn't even true, because couldn't she hire an attorney to set up a trust and protect the money for her children?
i agree with all your points.
"i agree with all your points."
Thanks Iesha. I often agree with your comments too which proves the saying that 2 brilliant minds think alike.
It's possible in the UK because they have no taxes on lottery prizes, so you really can just stick it in the bank without anyone knowing.
I was wondering about her paying taxes on the money but that's great if the UK have no taxes lottery prizes. I would do the same thing too because I could see my family changing with a big windfall. Must be nice not having to worry about paying the bills and taking some time off from work. You go Girl!!!!!
Call her a liar if you want to. Call her a cheat if you want to! I prefer to call her a very SMART WOMAN! Yeah, you who disagree with her decision would be ridiculing her when they went broke because her husband used it up on drugs, and the childrens'lives were left in shambles. Then who would be there to support the children???? The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. It is her money and she can exercise the her right to make the wisest decision(s) when it comes to how it is to be spent. Did it EVER occur to any of you who think she is being deceptive that she might be doing the best thing for her husband and children. There is no utopia here on this earth. Get over it already!
Call her a liar if you want to. Call her a cheat if you want to! I prefer to call her a very SMART WOMAN! Yeah, you who disagree with her decision would be ridiculing her when they went broke because her husband used it up on drugs, and the childrens'lives were left in shambles. Then who would be there to support the children???? The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. It is her money and she can exercise the her right to make the wisest decision(s) when it comes to how it is to be spent. Did it EVER occur to any of you who think she is being deceptive that she might be doing the best thing for her husband and children. There is no utopia here on this earth. Get over it already!
Somehow I feel she thought she would lose him. It's possible with that much money he would have divorced or left her and the children.
"The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. " mylollipop
We all have the right to our opinions here, so I'll respect yours. But regarding Jack Whittaker, he gave away quite a bit of his prize to the homeless and built a church and other charitable groups. He started a foundation to feed and clothe poor people in West VA and create jobs. He even bought a house and a car for the cashier who sold him his winning ticket. Mr. Whittaker suffers from alcoholism, but his drinking problem didn't begin when he won all that money, and I certainly wouldn't say he blew all his money on it either. This is a very different situation, since Mr. Whittaker was already worth over a million when he won the PB. I don't know why I'm defending the man, because he certainly never gave me any money, but his name is brought up every time there's a discussion like this.
I still don't approve of lying to one's spouse, but if she is so sure her husband wouldn't be responsible with the money, then maybe I shouldn't judge her so harshly. However, if she does not have her money invested wisely and it's kept secretly from her family, should she become critically ill or die in an accident tomorrow, her children will never benefit from her good fortune and her husband will become a single working Dad with 2 children. If she's so sure he'd blow it all, then I certainly hope she's met with a good lawyer or appointed an executor of her will to manage her money should something unexpected arise.
Maybe her husband or his buddies were listening to the broadcast on his lunch break so her secret's out now! If she really needed to vent (and she's not making this whole story up) she should have paid a shrink or gone to a priest. At least they're sworn to secrecy!
I figured that Emily would let someone else answer for her. But still, if it was the other way around, not one of you has answered what you would be saying then. Also, exactly the point I was trying to make as well, when you lie or deceive your spouse and no one knows what you have, if you die tomorrow, you will be the only one that benefitted in the long run, and that is pure selfishness, no matter if she was a male doing the same thing to his family. Does anyone agree (mainly females)? I am not here to bash any female's opinion, just hope your marriages are more trusting than this one.
I figured that Emily would let someone else answer for her. But still, if it was the other way around, not one of you has answered what you would be saying then. Also, exactly the point I was trying to make as well, when you lie or deceive your spouse and no one knows what you have, if you die tomorrow, you will be the only one that benefitted in the long run, and that is pure selfishness, no matter if she was a male doing the same thing to his family. Does anyone agree (mainly females)? I am not here to bash any female's opinion, just hope your marriages are more trusting than this one.
her own words ..."he would give up work and start demanding luxury holidays."
that really is the only reason i'm sticking-up for her.
IF and only IF, she's telling the truth, there is an easy way for her to figure out what her man would do. She needs to tell him that she just won $300K. See what he does. If he starts acting like a donkey, then she should leave him and still have her children's future financially secured. (kinda testing the waters)
I personally don't see where this marriage could end on a good note. She doesn't trust him enough to be honest. There is NO future there. He had a drug problem 15 years ago...so he's either STILL showing signs of weakness...or he's cleaned up his act completely. Only she knows which way, not us.
Personally, I think she's weak. Maybe she's in this marriage because it's a habit. Maybe because she really loves him and he's cleaned up. Maybe she is butt ugly with one good tooth in her head and even that's falling out. Who knows? Either way, she's with him. She needs counseling, either to help with her self-esteem issues or to help her from being deceitful. Counseling Counseling CounselingSILENCE IS GOLDEN...THAT'S A FACT.THERE AREN'T ANY TAXES ON LOTTERY WINS IN THE UK OR ALL OF EUROPE . A BIG PLUS.
Without knowing the players involved on a personal level, it seems to me that this woman has an issue with control. I get the feeling that she tucked the money away so he could not spend any of "her" money. I can understand wanting to hide a large sum of money away from friends, coworkers, and those not in her immediate family, but her husband? Must be lonely living where she is...
I have a feeling that there is more here than what this woman revealed on this talk show. Women who tend to hide things from their husbands are usually in some form of abusive relationships. They don't always talk to the world about the abuse until it gets out of hand or gets out into the public in some way. They will usually paint a rosie picture perfect marriage, but behind the scene, they are planning the great escape by putting away for a rainy day. I hope she is smart enough to have invested some of her winning in her childrens names and have consulted with their legal system. I also hope that she has provided for the husband incase something happens to her.
It's possible in the UK because they have no taxes on lottery prizes, so you really can just stick it in the bank without anyone knowing.
I do believe her story.....
"The world ridiculed Jack Whittaker and others who made unwise decisions with their lottery winnings. " mylollipop
We all have the right to our opinions here, so I'll respect yours. But regarding Jack Whittaker, he gave away quite a bit of his prize to the homeless and built a church and other charitable groups. He started a foundation to feed and clothe poor people in West VA and create jobs. He even bought a house and a car for the cashier who sold him his winning ticket. Mr. Whittaker suffers from alcoholism, but his drinking problem didn't begin when he won all that money, and I certainly wouldn't say he blew all his money on it either. This is a very different situation, since Mr. Whittaker was already worth over a million when he won the PB. I don't know why I'm defending the man, because he certainly never gave me any money, but his name is brought up every time there's a discussion like this.
I still don't approve of lying to one's spouse, but if she is so sure her husband wouldn't be responsible with the money, then maybe I shouldn't judge her so harshly. However, if she does not have her money invested wisely and it's kept secretly from her family, should she become critically ill or die in an accident tomorrow, her children will never benefit from her good fortune and her husband will become a single working Dad with 2 children. If she's so sure he'd blow it all, then I certainly hope she's met with a good lawyer or appointed an executor of her will to manage her money should something unexpected arise.
Maybe her husband or his buddies were listening to the broadcast on his lunch break so her secret's out now! If she really needed to vent (and she's not making this whole story up) she should have paid a shrink or gone to a priest. At least they're sworn to secrecy!
Happy Tuesday...."Just"
I appreciated your posting, as I always enjoy reading them, however...I must share this:
1st..You'd be surprised the number of Husbands, who withhold money from their wives and families..Some Men are expert at holding back money....and doing it w/an innocent smile on their faces.....They'll lie to you in a "heart beat" knowing full well it's all in the wallet.
2nd...Based on "jane's" story, she has obiviously learned a valuable lesson about finances and lifestyle, being married to a "former drug user"..he's already proven how irresponsible he can be. This "win" has given her the prime opportunity to put things right for her family, and I take my hat off to her.
3rd....I'm sure she has an "Iron clad Will" w/an Attorney to back that up...If she's as financially savvy as she apopears to be, her children will never want for anything, no matter what happens to her, in the future.
4th...I doubt her husband will ever find out, until she wants him to. She's come this far..3 years
Ahhhh love and marrage, based on compromise- NOT. One person thinking they know whats better then another person about what is best for the other person. Where have I seen that before? The person did something the other didn't like, so know they try to control the environment of that person. Why? Because they can - they are superior!
1/24/2006
oh...yeah amazing, and many of you "men" out there do it 24-7......so pleessssee give me a break.......thanks .."CHEWIE"
Hey, libra926, you brought to memory a situation that I know of personally. 18 years ago, a man I know was killed in a plane crash. He was a wealthy construction worker. He had a wife, three adult children and three grand children. He provided for his family, siblings, and a few faithful employees. Then surprise, suprise of AaaallllLLL surprises; he had a condo right under his family's nose in the city they lived in. A few months before he was killed in the crash, his wife found out that he had a condo in Las Vegas! Now that was keeping secrets
. We do not know her story, True, but we ALL know that the Perfect Marriage is a fairytale.
There is no gender-ism here. If a man knew his wife would blow the earnings on drugs due to proven past irresponsibility, he would be foolish to open his wife back up to temptation!
Would you give an alcoholic a bottle of vodka? Would you? Especially when you know the alcoholics' history? Too much money in the hands of the wrong people WILL destroy. I hate to go back to the tragic Whittaker family, but the added wealth was the final point for that family. The exposure from the Christmas Day winnings helped to destroy that family. The grand daughter's habits changed and led to the demise of a friend, then finally her. Yes, Mr. Whittaker did good and the publicity helped to destroy his good.
She has a secret, but she is NOT selfish with her winnings. He benefits just the same!!!! She tells him that she has a raise. Have you self-righteous critics forgotten the fact that hubby dear is not being deprived?
Jus. 'cause you are married does not equal happiness. Stop lying ya'll. Who has not lied in marriage. Haven't you faked it to make her "think" she is doing what you like to encourage her to do more of the same????? And yeah, ya'll know women fake it to stroke your egoes or 'get it over with' if you have the "PROVERBIAL HEADACHE" at the time...
A lie is a lie is a lie for whatever the reason. And let the one who has NEVER told a lie to be the first one to write another negative comment about this woman's WISE decision to protect her family. I hope she has gotten good legal and financial counseling. And Honey, keep your mouth shut until you so desire. Your hubby might be reading USAMEGA and figure it out....
When and if he does find out, have your house in order! 
HI "MY" ...1/25/2005
....2nd posting....addendum
It pleases me to see someone else on this topic, thinking exactly the way I do on it......It also shows how "naive" some of us really are......so many posting here, wanted to make "jane " out to be a dishonest shrew....but I never saw it that way....She has essentially taken over the role of "provider" and "caretaker" in her family. She could have thrown her husband out years ago, but instead she stayed w/him...."for better and for worse, in sickness and in health"...she respected her marriage vows, and never turned her back on him.... Many a woman would have gotten rid of him, the minute they "struck pay dirt" w/the Lottery, but "jane" didn't...She chose to keep her family together....and her winnings intact. He's benefitted, as much as the Children......whats more, she never lied to him about it.....she simply didn't tell him she won..."Don't ask, Don't tell".........
Furthermore, as I stated in my initial posting, there are thousands of Men, who have money, stocks, investments and other properties....they "never" tell their wives about. And, it's not because she's got an addiction of any kind....It's because it makes them feel powerful, to be in control of so many assests, that they can hold them back, as long as they like, or share them with whom ever they like...."Whats mine is yours" is nothing more than 'cliche'....It really means, whats mine is yours, "IF" I decide to share it with you......I said earlier and I'll say it again, having read "jane's " story, I take my hat off to her.....she never lied to him about that prize money, he never asked her.....however, she's helping to make a wonderful life for her family.
I can't judge this women because I have never been a victim of marriage. Winning the lottery gave her a chance to make choices and it doesn't matter what other people who can't make choices think as long as she was satisfied with the choices she made.
I can't judge this women because I have never been a victim of marriage. Winning the lottery gave her a chance to make choices and it doesn't matter what other people who can't make choices think as long as she was satisfied with the choices she made.
1/25/2006
I would think that she could have easily set up some sort of trust, allowing her children (and other family members) to be taken care, herself having enough to never worry about, AND able sharing it with the husband. Surely there must be some lawyer who could arrange that. However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area.
I would think that she could have easily set up some sort of trust, allowing her children (and other family members) to be taken care, herself having enough to never worry about, AND able sharing it with the husband. Surely there must be some lawyer who could arrange that. However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area.
I don't understand how you can say:
" However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area."
How is "jane"not forgiving ?? sharing??...She is married to a Man, who used to have a Drug Addiction..And there is no guarantee, that he, like so many others, will not fall prey to that again at some point. She continues to be his faithful and loving wife. She is indeed sharing her winnings w/him and her Children. What else should she do?? If she were to reveal her winnings to him, chances are, he may fall prey to Drug usage again, and do so, behind her back. He certaininly would not announce it to her face to face. He'd just sneak around "using" and seduce her into giving him more and more money to support his habit...It's very hard for former Drug users to back away, from re-usage when temptation strikes(money)....She showed forgivness by staying married to him, she shares it with him, by helping to provide for their home and lifestyle.
Forgiving? Still complaining about something he did 15 years earlier. Not trusting some one 15 years later, which is the justification for hiding the money. Awfully close to being unforgiving. Faithful and loving wife? That is assumption, as valid as her being a woman who screws whoever she wants, just to prove she can. All this based on the "may" word? That word has the validity of the "if" word. Maybe he will become a druggie again. Then again, maybe he has become the pillar of their neighborhood. Maybe she is a shrew, who just found out punishment is easier then forgiveness. I know ex-druggies who lead a life my Christians lie about living. Will power is all it takes.
Again, I stilll think a trust would solve the problem, without turning yourself into a decietful person. Unless of course, that was the goal all along.
Forgiving? Still complaining about something he did 15 years earlier. Not trusting some one 15 years later, which is the justification for hiding the money. Awfully close to being unforgiving. Faithful and loving wife? That is assumption, as valid as her being a woman who screws whoever she wants, just to prove she can. All this based on the "may" word? That word has the validity of the "if" word. Maybe he will become a druggie again. Then again, maybe he has become the pillar of their neighborhood. Maybe she is a shrew, who just found out punishment is easier then forgiveness. I know ex-druggies who lead a life my Christians lie about living. Will power is all it takes.
Again, I stilll think a trust would solve the problem, without turning yourself into a decietful person. Unless of course, that was the goal all along.
And no I'm not related in any way, shape or form to Chewie.
Chewie has made valid points and you ladies might not agree. But all in all it's not entirely your fault for that way of thinking. I can place a very small amount of the blame on the male gender. Like it has been said before, "all it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the barrel", and that's exactly how your mothers have taught you to view most men. If men make one particular mistake, (in your eyes) men are bound by the heavens to repeat it, "WRONG". Just the dummies out there that don't learn from their mistakes do that! And that's not just held to the men to make the same mistake twice, women do it too just as much as the men do, women just don't get caught as often as the men do! I personally believe, it's because women are the better game players than the men. But how can women not be the better game players, it's because women have done it all of their natural born lives!
That woman is kool,she loves
her family and want things 2
remain normal....because a person with a formal drug problem can easily slip back
into his or her ways fast.! I take my hat off 2 her 4 her
being well grounded!!!
Once guilty, always guilty. Good, now that is settled, lets make all prisons one way; in no out. Especially for smoking pot. Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
Ya gotta love it. I keep reading how Christianity is the major religon on this country. Then I read how decietfulness is the appropriate path, and foregiveness is not. When in doubt, 15 years later, condem the druggie husband and bless the lying wife. Heaven must be an interesting place. Full of liars, but no former druggies. Ahh, sooooooo glad I'm in the minority.
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
we don't know if she forgave him. smart woman for guardingg their security.
I would think that she could have easily set up some sort of trust, allowing her children (and other family members) to be taken care, herself having enough to never worry about, AND able sharing it with the husband. Surely there must be some lawyer who could arrange that. However, she would have to have an interest in sharing! Personally, I think she used an X-Acto blade to cut the word forgiveness out of all the dictionary's in her immediate area.
We all don't put together information the same, even with the same experience. The lady could have been uninformed in a lot a things (lack of trust) and it is possible that she was doing the best she c.
Everybody ain't as smart as we are.lol But you would have thunk.
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
Now, that's hitting the nail on the head! That's almost like the age old saying. "Once A Cheater, Always A Cheater" (which has been proved time and time again, over the decades!)
Aaaahhh Yeah, Chewie...
. You see, there is not a single relationship on planet earth that is ideal. And the "T" word Trust? In God, we trust---100%; others we try to believe in 50%. Those liars, etc. are not in heaven, nor will they go. They, along with other hypocrits will join the master liar who was kicked out centuries ago along with 1/3 of heaven's population. You see Chewie, there are those people who do and move on and say their apologies when needed. Then there are those people who are self righteous hypocrits, throwing stone after stone when they live in glass houses They can not see clearly what they are saying about another person because there is a huge beam in their eyes blocking view of a tiny splinter in the eye of the person they are dumping on.
. Have you ALWAYS been honest????????
Aaaahhh Yeah, Chewie...
. You see, there is not a single relationship on planet earth that is ideal. And the "T" word Trust? In God, we trust---100%; others we try to believe in 50%. Those liars, etc. are not in heaven, nor will they go. They, along with other hypocrits will join the master liar who was kicked out centuries ago along with 1/3 of heaven's population. You see Chewie, there are those people who do and move on and say their apologies when needed. Then there are those people who are self righteous hypocrits, throwing stone after stone when they live in glass houses They can not see clearly what they are saying about another person because there is a huge beam in their eyes blocking view of a tiny splinter in the eye of the person they are dumping on.
. Have you ALWAYS been honest????????
Since you brought it up, I don't believe in God, nor do I believe in some super mean guy with horns and black wings. I have seen too many body bags of people who asked their lord to save them. Never was someone saved by a prayer. They would have died, or lived, with or without the prayer. Based on the Bible, the only real proof of a God is his continuous destruction of his creations during temper tantrums. Massive floods, fires, and, lets not forget the slaughter of babies in Egypt. My favorite is sending them into the theaters to be eaten by lions or chopped into pieces by galdiators. All this based on something passed down as heresay by people who could neither read nor write. Sorry, I don't buy into the heaven and hell theory, any more then I buy into day of judgement. If there is a God, why hasn't he provided any proof of his existance since science started advancing? Surely, there would be something, a burning bush maybe. A virgin impregnated by a great warrior dressed in white and flying around with wings? How about him standing in a house in Texas and telling a woman to drown her children; alla Abraham scenerio? How about we count up the bodies listed in the Bible? Ooops, there are too many to count. Of course it be impossible, too many millions of years of earth were overlooked in the Bible; no room I guess. How about counting up the dead that were part of religious efforts? The Crusades of the Christians against the Muslims? How about today, Muslims killing hundred of thousand in the name of religion? How about a christian dominated United States, led by a devote religious person, killing hundred of thousands of Muslims? Where was God when his chosen people were being slaughtered by Hitler? He would never have let this happen before people could read or write. Humm, I wonder is there is a connection between that. Priest, men of God, no longer torture or burn women at the stake? Could it be that education had something to do with not buying into religious superstitions? Could be! Or, maybe, men of God don't have time to stone women to death for adultry, they're too busy in the back room with little boys and their leaders are too busy covering it up.
I have always wondered why people always start throwing the "Bible" around so easily when they get their butt into tight spots for? Is it because they have no other "Valid" thoughts for a comeback to someone else's view point that have undeniable merit to them? That must be the reason behind it, but who knows why they do it for.
So, in all fairness, lets give the bible thumper a chance to validate their reason for being here! So, I ask this one question of the one person who is throwing the bible around? What are you doing on a site that vacillates or encourages gambling for? I'd like to see a valid answer to that question. And I don't mean your being here as a so call messenger of God, to get us sinners to change our ways either!
But as far as I'm concerned, there is no good reason for a bible thumper to be here on this site! So. I'll call it like I see it! Stop throwing stones while living in a glass house yourself! And you are a Self Righteous Hypocrite to boot! Please stop talking out both sides of your mouth, if you wish to have anyone take what you have to say seriously.
And just for the record, I do believe in Jesus Christ, not that I owe you an explanation or anything! But I just didn't want to be the next victim of your bible thumping attack!
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
I still don't see her so-called "mis-trust"....He is benefitting Financially from her prize winnings just as their children are..."Jane" has never kept the money to herself. She is sharing her life and money w/him & the Kids.......Furthermore, as far as "trust" and the term "shrew" is concerned What do you call a Man, who has Stocks, Bonds, IRA's, Investments of all kinds and Secret Savings Accounts, that he doesn't voluntarily tell his wife about???....Sometimes she learns about it by accident, when she opens the mail, and finds a Financial Statement, outlining everything, or perhaps he's about to go into the Hospital for Surgery, and he then, out of fear for his life, decides to tell her at the last minute......after years and years of marriage have passed. What kind of Man does this???? And do you realize how many do it???.....Plenty......For whatever the reason, hundreds of Men do this.......
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
Ya gotta love it. I keep reading how Christianity is the major religon on this country. Then I read how decietfulness is the appropriate path, and foregiveness is not. When in doubt, 15 years later, condem the druggie husband and bless the lying wife. Heaven must be an interesting place. Full of liars, but no former druggies. Ahh, sooooooo glad I'm in the minority.
Addendum:
Forgiving a Person, doesn't mean that you place every tempation in front of him, to challenge or test his weaknesses.....Obviously, she loves him and forgave him because she could have walked out on him but didn't. She chose to stay, as I posted earlier, to maintain her family and marriage. To me, there is love and yes, even trust there. There may also be more to her life story, w/him. He has proven to her, that he cannot handle money well, perhaps during the time he "used" he threw away a considerable amount of money, doing so. I'm just keeping this real....In order to "use" even the "bad stuff" you need money....& $$$$$$$$ of it, to support the habit.
He probably threw away enough to scare her, and it taught her a hard lesson. Which I can appreciate in this day and time...I have watched programs, and read stories of Celebrities, very rich people, who "threw away millions" on Drugs & Alcohol.....and to this day still regret it, and the effects it had on their families & marriages.......I understand your position, but to me, she shows love and trust by trying the best way she can to make a life w/him.....
Hypothetically.....You know your Son has stolen money from your wallet before. You take your wallet out of your pocket at night and place it on the top of the dresser. Are you going to leave it where he can walk by and seeing it lying there, to be tempted to steal from it again and again, or put it somewhere out of sight, to keep him from being tempted????...You still give him money whenever he needs it, but does forgiveness and trust mean that you put temptation in front of him??????
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
I still don't see her so-called "mis-trust"....He is benefitting Financially from her prize winnings just as their children are..."Jane" has never kept the money to herself. She is sharing her life and money w/him & the Kids.......Furthermore, as far as "trust" and the term "shrew" is concerned What do you call a Man, who has Stocks, Bonds, IRA's, Investments of all kinds and Secret Savings Accounts, that he doesn't voluntarily tell his wife about???....Sometimes she learns about it by accident, when she opens the mail, and finds a Financial Statement, outlining everything, or perhaps he's about to go into the Hospital for Surgery, and he then, out of fear for his life, decides to tell her at the last minute......after years and years of marriage have passed. What kind of Man does this???? And do you realize how many do it???.....Plenty......For whatever the reason, hundreds of Men do this.......
A bad a doesn't make a Bad B better or worse. In both descriptions, the people losers. Just because one person did something, doesn't take the heat off of another. Politicians do this all the time. Hollywood celebrities do it all the time. They're both losers.
Majority opinion is, 15 years later you are doomed to repeat your sins.
Chewie, it sure seems that way for those who don't know the word or the meaning of the word "Forgiveness" and thats an awful/despicable shame!
Ya gotta love it. I keep reading how Christianity is the major religon on this country. Then I read how decietfulness is the appropriate path, and foregiveness is not. When in doubt, 15 years later, condem the druggie husband and bless the lying wife. Heaven must be an interesting place. Full of liars, but no former druggies. Ahh, sooooooo glad I'm in the minority.
Addendum:
Forgiving a Person, doesn't mean that you place every tempation in front of him, to challenge or test his weaknesses.....Obviously, she loves him and forgave him because she could have walked out on him but didn't. She chose to stay, as I posted earlier, to maintain her family and marriage. To me, there is love and yes, even trust there. There may also be more to her life story, w/him. He has proven to her, that he cannot handle money well, perhaps during the time he "used" he threw away a considerable amount of money, doing so. I'm just keeping this real....In order to "use" even the "bad stuff" you need money....& $$$$$$$$ of it, to support the habit.
He probably threw away enough to scare her, and it taught her a hard lesson. Which I can appreciate in this day and time...I have watched programs, and read stories of Celebrities, very rich people, who "threw away millions" on Drugs & Alcohol.....and to this day still regret it, and the effects it had on their families & marriages.......I understand your position, but to me, she shows love and trust by trying the best way she can to make a life w/him.....
Hypothetically.....You know your Son has stolen money from your wallet before. You take your wallet out of your pocket at night and place it on the top of the dresser. Are you going to leave it where he can walk by and seeing it lying there, to be tempted to steal from it again and again, or put it somewhere out of sight, to keep him from being tempted????...You still give him money whenever he needs it, but does forgiveness and trust mean that you put temptation in front of him??????
Trust is just another word for temptation; it is all about acting appropraitely in any given circumstance. Remeber when computers first started, their were all the experts who kept breaking into the backdoors. most went to jail. Hoever, the experts were immediately hired by the same banks to create the protection systems. To do that, they had to have access to all the portals and codes. Amazingly enough, continued theft was a rarity, and even this day, you can thank the forgiving bank leaders for yuor money being safe today. No one benefits from mistrust and every one gains from trust and forgiveness. It is how life is supposed to work. Some one cuts you off on the freeway, do you react in the mood that every one will cut you off? NO! You initiate trust. On the freeway, that trust can cost more then money, it can cost the life of you and your family. Trust someone, and they can run you off the road. Or do you go on your way and say that was the exception to the rule? Ithink you would choose the latter.
The woman, in this case, chose to be a deceit and unforgiving. Which is worse? A husband who used to be a druggie, or a wife who cheats and lies? My choice goes to the husband. Think of me a forgiving banker.
She lived with the guy for 15 years, after the drug addiction supposedly stopped; and continued to do so when she had the funds to bail. Kept her kids around him during that whole timeline. That, in itself, tells a story. She made a decision to do what she did, and that decision resulted in an obvious mistrust. Live 15, or more, years with some one you don't trust. Guess I'll have change universes to understand that concept.
I still don't see her so-called "mis-trust"....He is benefitting Financially from her prize winnings just as their children are..."Jane" has never kept the money to herself. She is sharing her life and money w/him & the Kids.......Furthermore, as far as "trust" and the term "shrew" is concerned What do you call a Man, who has Stocks, Bonds, IRA's, Investments of all kinds and Secret Savings Accounts, that he doesn't voluntarily tell his wife about???....Sometimes she learns about it by accident, when she opens the mail, and finds a Financial Statement, outlining everything, or perhaps he's about to go into the Hospital for Surgery, and he then, out of fear for his life, decides to tell her at the last minute......after years and years of marriage have passed. What kind of Man does this???? And do you realize how many do it???.....Plenty......For whatever the reason, hundreds of Men do this.......
Gee, I hardly ever agree with Chewie, but he has valid points. Everyone seems to be forgetting what money is gained in marriage, is marital money. One spouse cannot hide assets from the other and claim it to be for good cause. All this woman had to do was file for divorce, agree to set up some of the winnings for the kids, give him his half and what he does with his money is his business, not hers. She is a control freak. She is dishonest, and why is this a gender battle? Staying with someone 15 years after they cleaned up their act, then withholding assets is nothng honorable and it still means she lacks trust in him. Be done with it. Divvy up the money and let him go.
Thank you Jorli D. I frequently find your position conflicts with mine. But I will always support your right to think and say what you feel. I can ignore it, accept it, debate it, or even argue it. Sometimes, I'll just turn off the computer and go fishing for a week or two. Honesty is all I expect - and the gumption to speak honestly; not hide behind some shield.
And I will never HIDE behind a filter to protect myself from what you say.
Thank you Jorli D. I frequently find your position conflicts with mine. But I will always support your right to think and say what you feel. I can ignore it, accept it, debate it, or even argue it. Sometimes, I'll just turn off the computer and go fishing for a week or two. Honesty is all I expect - and the gumption to speak honestly; not hide behind some shield.
And I will never HIDE behind a filter to protect myself from what you say.
nice to see you're Always honest and never lie. atta chewie!!!
Moreso then some wifes.
Moreso then some wifes.
and i'm more honest than some husbands.
Thank you Jorli D. I frequently find your position conflicts with mine. But I will always support your right to think and say what you feel. I can ignore it, accept it, debate it, or even argue it. Sometimes, I'll just turn off the computer and go fishing for a week or two. Honesty is all I expect - and the gumption to speak honestly; not hide behind some shield.
And I will never HIDE behind a filter to protect myself from what you say.
But Chewie, others will hide behind the shield! When all it takes is not to answer a posting or to plainly look past someones posting that you don't care to see! That shield feature was given by the administrator of this site to those who may wish to use it! That is their given right to do so if they feel they need it!
And God knows I have had my fill of spats here with others that I don't agree with, so what! I still look at what they post in the places I like to read. I don't see the reasoning to shield what they have to say to others for, just because I didn't get along with them and we didn't see eye to eye! To tell you the truth Chewie, I'm probably the one person that shield feature is used on most by those who I didn't get along with! And I don't doubt that one bit! Now that's what I call "A Sure Bet" if there ever was one!
I have always wondered why people always start throwing the "Bible" around so easily when they get their butt into tight spots for? Is it because they have no other "Valid" thoughts for a comeback to someone else's view point that have undeniable merit to them? That must be the reason behind it, but who knows why they do it for.
So, in all fairness, lets give the bible thumper a chance to validate their reason for being here! So, I ask this one question of the one person who is throwing the bible around? What are you doing on a site that vacillates or encourages gambling for? I'd like to see a valid answer to that question. And I don't mean your being here as a so call messenger of God, to get us sinners to change our ways either!
But as far as I'm concerned, there is no good reason for a bible thumper to be here on this site! So. I'll call it like I see it! Stop throwing stones while living in a glass house yourself! And you are a Self Righteous Hypocrite to boot! Please stop talking out both sides of your mouth, if you wish to have anyone take what you have to say seriously.
And just for the record, I do believe in Jesus Christ, not that I owe you an explanation or anything! But I just didn't want to be the next victim of your bible thumping attack!
FYI
Religion and education. To understand religion is to be educated. The word lottery is related to the word LOTS. Lots was an anciet way of making decisions."And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said, "Lord, Who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two Thou hast chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles." (Acts 1:12-26 RSV).
As with all things, we make choices based on the experiences we have had in life. Some are good, not so good, then some are absolutely horrible! But they are our choices for our lives. What is good for you might not be good for me, vice versa.
If this husband knew, he would probably jump up and down and thank his wife for saving him from himself. Having that money would have been like setting a trap for his downfall.
The so-called liberal minded get all choked up when someone freely expresses their opinion(s)..ever notice that??? The liberal become the judgemental...hmmmn. I speak (write) what I care to say because of my freedom to express my opinions, like the smart lady expressed her right to make what was to her a wise decision to choose how her family was going to reap the benefits of her winnings. No one appears to be hurting
No one in Christianity is FORCED to change. Change comes within because you want to change. It is a CHOICE, just like the smart lady made her choice. If you espouse to that line of thinking, then good for you. If you do not, then still good for you. She chose to keep secret, good for her and I have the choice to agree, like others have the choice to disagree. That is the beauty of C-H-O-I-C-E.
Live and let live
"...next victim of Bible-thumping attack? What kind of attack is being leveled on the lady who chose to keep silent?" She has been called a lot of negative things...
But then, keep in mind is the glass half-empty OR half full?
I have always wondered why people always start throwing the "Bible" around so easily when they get their butt into tight spots for? Is it because they have no other "Valid" thoughts for a comeback to someone else's view point that have undeniable merit to them? That must be the reason behind it, but who knows why they do it for.
So, in all fairness, lets give the bible thumper a chance to validate their reason for being here! So, I ask this one question of the one person who is throwing the bible around? What are you doing on a site that vacillates or encourages gambling for? I'd like to see a valid answer to that question. And I don't mean your being here as a so call messenger of God, to get us sinners to change our ways either!
But as far as I'm concerned, there is no good reason for a bible thumper to be here on this site! So. I'll call it like I see it! Stop throwing stones while living in a glass house yourself! And you are a Self Righteous Hypocrite to boot! Please stop talking out both sides of your mouth, if you wish to have anyone take what you have to say seriously.
And just for the record, I do believe in Jesus Christ, not that I owe you an explanation or anything! But I just didn't want to be the next victim of your bible thumping attack!
FYI
Religion and education. To understand religion is to be educated. The word lottery is related to the word LOTS. Lots was an anciet way of making decisions."And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said, "Lord, Who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two Thou hast chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles." (Acts 1:12-26 RSV).
As with all things, we make choices based on the experiences we have had in life. Some are good, not so good, then some are absolutely horrible! But they are our choices for our lives. What is good for you might not be good for me, vice versa.
If this husband knew, he would probably jump up and down and thank his wife for saving him from himself. Having that money would have been like setting a trap for his downfall.
The so-called liberal minded get all choked up when someone freely expresses their opinion(s)..ever notice that??? The liberal become the judgemental...hmmmn. I speak (write) what I care to say because of my freedom to express my opinions, like the smart lady expressed her right to make what was to her a wise decision to choose how her family was going to reap the benefits of her winnings. No one appears to be hurting
No one in Christianity is FORCED to change. Change comes within because you want to change. It is a CHOICE, just like the smart lady made her choice. If you espouse to that line of thinking, then good for you. If you do not, then still good for you. She chose to keep secret, good for her and I have the choice to agree, like others have the choice to disagree. That is the beauty of C-H-O-I-C-E.
Live and let live
"...next victim of Bible-thumping attack? What kind of attack is being leveled on the lady who chose to keep silent?" She has been called a lot of negative things...
But then, keep in mind is the glass half-empty OR half full?
To understand religion is to be educated, is this what your saying? Now if that isn't a line of BS if I ever heard it! Religion has nothing to do with being educated or not! It just goes to show that you have been to church and studied the bible, like a good Christian!
To quote scripture (like you do) and to be on a lottery site like you are, just shows me that you are a "Hypocrite". To use the bible like you have, also shows me you're weak and that you really don't have any convictions of any kind! Well, at least none that you can adhere to for any substantial amount of time!
I wonder what your minister/preacher/pastor would say about your activities?
I wonder if you're a person leading two different lives?. One that goes to church just to show your community that you are a God fearing human being. And second a person who gambles on the lottery. Mmm, I wonder if the reason for your being on a lottery site isn't to gain knowledge to attain monetary riches that are beyond the riches that God can provide you through his teachings? What's the matter isn't Gods riches that he gives to you through his teachings good enough for you? It must not be! Because you're a member of this site that encourages gambling for monetary riches, "not spiritual riches!"
You see wearing a mask like you are shows you're a deceitful person and a serpent that speaks with a forked tongue!
She made the right choice for her. She was a STRONG woman. Most likely she had more than enough ridicule from bitter, downtrodden, men (and women) who use every excuse and accusation possible to ridicule her. You know, like the men who were ready to stone the woman caught in adultery (and in secret; they were very likely to have been one of her suitors
)! Then Jesus intercepted and said, "Let the first without sin be the first to throw a stone". The bashers walked away. No doubt, this story hit the heart of mankind. Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote about this situation in his novel, "The Scarlett Letter". Like Hester Prynee, she CHOSE to keep silent to protect the 'the good minister Dimmesdale'; an obviously weak man. Hester did waht she thought was best to protect... The woman who kept her lottery winnings secret did what she thought was best to protect...
Ain't funny
who the nay sayers
are throughout the centuries!!!!! These people are weak boo hoo'ers who have so much on their own plates that the need to eat and digest. A digestive system that is overloaded makes one irritable, canterkous, etc., thus the term full of _ _ _ t. After properly digesting the food on their own plates, maybe, just maybe, they will see that the one they ridiculed was not nearly as bad as they thought she was; rather, in fact, she was much better than they
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Stop defending the woman in the story for her choice! You might think someone of your nature is strong, but in reality you are weak! Just take a long hard look at yourself, you're trying to hide behind scripture! What's the matter with you, didn't God give you a brain so you could think for yourself? Or is it that's all you know how to do is to quote scripture from the bible to get your point across? I hope it's not the ladder for your sake. Because you're failing tremendously!
Now, I hope to see the valid reason you think you may have for being on a site that encourages gambling (since you are such a bible thumping Christian)! Of course it hasn't came as of yet and I doubt it ever will! All I have seen so far is this, that and the other thing being brought up. That's because you have no "Valid" reason for being here! First off, No Devout Christian would be caught on such a site! Unless they are a "Hypocrite", which you are and it shows. And I think I have proved that beyond a shadow of doubt in plain words that anyone could understand!
And may God help us all, if you are in any way shape or form better than anyone on this earth!
Stop defending the woman in the story for her choice! You might think someone of your nature is strong, but in reality you are weak! Just take a long hard look at yourself, you're trying to hide behind scripture! What's the matter with you, didn't God give you a brain so you could think for yourself? Or is it that's all you know how to do is to quote scripture from the bible to get your point across? I hope it's not the ladder for your sake. Because you're failing tremendously!
Now, I hope to see the valid reason you think you may have for being on a site that encourages gambling (since you are such a bible thumping Christian)! Of course it hasn't came as of yet and I doubt it ever will! All I have seen so far is this, that and the other thing being brought up. That's because you have no "Valid" reason for being here! First off, No Devout Christian would be caught on such a site! Unless they are a "Hypocrite", which you are and it shows. And I think I have proved that beyond a shadow of doubt in plain words that anyone could understand!
And may God help us all, if you are in any way shape or form better than anyone on this earth!
It is my choice to be here also, and I always have a great day. I never have to worry about some myth destroying my pleasure. Heresy, branding, and burning at the stake was banned was banned with education. Strangely enough, the power of the groups that preached it have also decline. Thank GOD those groups are now going broke and shutting down their private schools of hate mongering. Fewer and fewer free thinkers have to put ten percent of their income into the little envelopes. Long live the ability to do what you want!
Exactly, Chewie, long live the ability to do what you want
. And that is EXACTLY what the woman did who did not tell her husband about her winnings. Whew 
, finally...
It is hard to compete with childish fonts and immature icon displays. As long as you support deceitfulness, there is no debate; only dishonor and bigotry. Three cheers for deceitfulness, the Godly support it - the same for Andrea Yates. God was also her driving force. I apologize for supporting forgiveness. Jesus supported forgiveness and was nailed to a cross. First class lesson.
you'd be surprised at how often felons win major prizes.you'd figure after they do they would leave the criminal life behind if they had any sense.....
Exactly, LOTTOMIKE. This situation re-inforces what the woman who hid her earnings from her husband did. (January 20th, 2006 LottoPost). The temptation is too great for a person who has been addicted to drugs and/or is in recovery, to pass up getting back into old habits with all that money to support the habit(s).
if i had a husband on drugs for 15 years .don't want to change his life style of living .and i won the lotteryi will never tell the b****.because when he was o drugs he did'n want help or even try.yes people change'but not all . i will take care of my children and get along with my life.it is'n that the guy been on drugs for 15 or 2 days .thats whole 15years damit so he was not trying to change for the better
ment of his family.give him more money he will use more drugs.so if he wants to go to rehab tell him u will go.but girl keep your money and take care of your children.some people only no ya when
gat some thing.please let this woman rest
You are blabbering nonsense. The offense was 15 years pervious, NOT going on 15 years. Read page one! How do you know what kind of husband or person the man was? She stayed with him for 15 years. She is either a masochist or stupid. Take your choice. Neither option quialifies her for sainthood. Deceit and lying does qualifier for some where else!
You are blabbering nonsense. The offense was 15 years pervious, NOT going on 15 years. Read page one! How do you know what kind of husband or person the man was? She stayed with him for 15 years. She is either a masochist or stupid. Take your choice. Neither option quialifies her for sainthood. Deceit and lying does qualifier for some where else!
mr. perfect - stop insulting people.
This wife is a control freak!
You are blabbering nonsense. The offense was 15 years pervious, NOT going on 15 years. Read page one! How do you know what kind of husband or person the man was? She stayed with him for 15 years. She is either a masochist or stupid. Take your choice. Neither option quialifies her for sainthood. Deceit and lying does qualifier for some where else!
mr. perfect - stop insulting people.
That is not an insult, it is a fact. Nonsense is when it does not make sense. The statement was nonsense. By the way, I'm not perfect. The last perfect guy was crucified. Strange, in a world of women superiority, it was the man who was perfect. Strange indeed. Oh, and contrary to the propaganda, the nails were not in the hand, they were in the wrist. Means all the pictures are believes in falsehood. Which brings us back to nonsense.
the whole "would quit his job and demand luxury holidays"... I don't know about the "demand" part... but what lottery winner's spouse wouldn't?
I would LOVE to be able to say to my wife... "you never have to work for someone else again!", I would do the same(quit work)... providing the amount was high enough.
she has no sympathy, this mystery winner... she somehow deserves days off of work while her husband must continue to work as if their future depended on it... sickening.
I hope he finds out and divorces her... if they really exist. (which I doubt)
For the drug use... the only way that the money would re-kindle the drug use is if it never went away... money magnifies problems, it rarely creates problems that weren't there... but I doubt it would dredge up a 15 year old drug problem... He has been supposedly doing his part for 15 years.... she isn't a team player... she's the weakest link... goodbye!
we all have life experiences which make us react to this story in a particular way.
DoubleDown, where are you? I did not see your comment(s) here. I like reading your view on things; especially your motto---"sometines you are the windsheild and sometimes you are the bug". What is your opinion on this subject?
we all have life experiences which make us react to this story in a particular way.
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
and what did the research show?
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
What would BILL W. do or Dr Phil say
What would BILL W. do or Dr Phil say
They would say whatever it took to get you to buy their product. Ethics and integrity would not be an issue. They are superior people, they have to be respected.
Emilyg, I would think to most people the statement "Once A Cheater, Always A Cheater" would be self explanatory as to what the research found. But I guess there are clueless people out there that don't have simple reasoning skills, nor do they have the ability to come to that conclusion!
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
and what did the research show?
Research shows that once confidence has been destroyed in a relationship, it is difficult to regain the confidence though not impossible. It sometimes takes years to rebuild the trust depending upon how each person involved reacts to previous life experiences and experiences with the party in the relationship regarding trust issues.
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
and what did the research show?
Research shows that once confidence has been destroyed in a relationship, it is difficult to regain the confidence though not impossible. It sometimes takes years to rebuild the trust depending upon how each person involved reacts to previous life experiences and experiences with the party in the relationship regarding trust issues.
What research? Research shows? Name the document. Was this an Oprah wisdom; like her phony book reviews? Maybe it was documented on the Dr. Phil show; that is an arena the world can believe in - kind of like his phony products. Jerry Springer? Now there is some thing every one can accept.
Isn't there something in the unquestionable Bible about forgiveness? Or was the subject overlooked?
I wonder which source you based your position on.
It's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
and what did the research show?
Research shows that once confidence has been destroyed in a relationship, it is difficult to regain the confidence though not impossible. It sometimes takes years to rebuild the trust depending upon how each person involved reacts to previous life experiences and experiences with the party in the relationship regarding trust issues.
What research? Research shows? Name the document. Was this an Oprah wisdom; like her phony book reviews? Maybe it was documented on the Dr. Phil show; that is an arena the world can believe in - kind of like his phony products. Jerry Springer? Now there is some thing every one can accept.
Isn't there something in the unquestionable Bible about forgiveness? Or was the subject overlooked?
I wonder which source you based your position on.
Now were talking about Unconditional Love!
We must allow each person the right of free will to walk their own path either creating steps or to sit a while if they so choose, and make no judgment of their steps and deeds they undertake.
In humility we must bow to the realization that the way we see is best for ourselves does not have to mean that it is also right for someone else. We must realize that we cannot know what is best for another person even though sometimes we think we do!
We have not been where they have been viewing life from the angle they have. We have not walked life looking through their eyes and so we do not know what they have chosen to learn or how they have chose to learn it. What we call life Is A Big Lesson!
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Chewie, Yes you are right forgiveness is in the bible. We can't pull a speck out of our brother's eye when we have one in our own. Let those who have not sinned cast the first stone, hmmmmmm, I shall drop my stone now! But even grater than Forgiveness is our judgment upon another when really we do not know why she made the decision she has because we walk not in her shoes or have viewed life through her eyes. To each their own.
BlessingsIt's like asking if this statement is true "Once a cheater always a cheater" I guarantee the person who got cheated on will say "yes." LOL
That could be possible what you say Tenaj. But the fact is, "it's been proved time and time again over the decades". I wouldn't laugh Tenaj, you could always be the next one it happens too! Then it wouldn't be such a laughing matter, now would it? But you know whatTenaj, I'll laugh right now, because it's more than likely it's already happened in your past, you just didn't find out about it! ROFLMFAO
I'll be inclined to go with the many research people that had done the research over those decades!
you avoided my question. what many research people?? what research?
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
We must allow each person the right of free will to walk their own path either creating steps or to sit a while if they so choose, and make no judgment of their steps and deeds they undertake.
But even grater than Forgiveness is our judgment upon another when really we do not know why she made the decision she has because we walk not in her shoes or have viewed life through her eyes.
Forgiveness comes in second place to self-belief. Gobility-goop. That mentality desecrates the whole concept of a jury trail; which is the basis of JUSTICE in America. You would have to have been a mother and a killer to understand why she killed her children. That is as silly a concept as acting like a prophet speaking in the third person. The story, in the Good Book, about the Noah Flood is a prime example of foregiveness. Bless the Lord, or he'll have a temper tamturm and initiate genicide on you and all you neighbors.
i think that she made the right decision not to tell her husband... and think about it ...if she didn't have the money she would have alot to worry about..but she got all that money and three years later she dont have nothing to worry about.. i think she did good... more power to her... and i want to wish her alot of luck...
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
Hi Tenaj,
Thank you, I admire your wisdom as well! It makes Sense!
Blessings my Friend!When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
What light? What blessing? How much did you pay for that blessing last year? 52 sundays, plus a few holy days thrown in. Donations each time? How much? How much for the candles? Every see a preacher in the welfare line? Ever see one in the unemployment line? Ever see one "ascend" into heaven? Used to do it all the time. Then came science and technology. All of a sudden, the magic is gone. When was the last great healer? Where is the great seual to the Bible? Something must have happened in the past several thousand years to write about. Guess all the worthy people had to be around in the beginning; no late comers to the great party. All the late comers I;ve heard about turned out to be a scam.
DoubleDown, where are you? I did not see your comment(s) here. I like reading your view on things; especially your motto---"sometines you are the windsheild and sometimes you are the bug". What is your opinion on this subject?
I just read this whole 13 page thread . Whew !
It looks like a lot of LP members are the bugs right now and a lot of other members are the windshield !!
SPLAT !!
Seriously, the back and forth bickering is getting amped up on both sides of the issue and everyone believes they are right, and that's cool.
One thing is for sure: The woman did this 3 years ago and we can argue until the proverbial cows come home if it was good or bad, but in this particular family's case, it just might have worked out.
DD
When we sit and see a person do something and then judge it to be unworthy we are fooling ourselves for we do not know the reason and that person may bring great healing and stand blessed by the light of God.
Clairvoyance I admire the way you don't give up and bring forth the truth. I give up sometimes and don't waste my time on certain people. But you'll never know maybe something you've said might help.
What light? What blessing? How much did you pay for that blessing last year? 52 sundays, plus a few holy days thrown in. Donations each time? How much? How much for the candles? Every see a preacher in the welfare line? Ever see one in the unemployment line? Ever see one "ascend" into heaven? Used to do it all the time. Then came science and technology. All of a sudden, the magic is gone. When was the last great healer? Where is the great seual to the Bible? Something must have happened in the past several thousand years to write about. Guess all the worthy people had to be around in the beginning; no late comers to the great party. All the late comers I;ve heard about turned out to be a scam.
Blessings
your job
your good health
your car
your home
your food
your water
your clothes
the people who love you
your good mind
encouragement
receiving love
being embraced
your wife
your children
loving parents
your friends
the computer you sit behind
Your freedom of speech
Your freedom
peace
love, sex
LP members
Todd
laughter
your joy
hope
your existence
You are a blessing Chewie and the light shine on you everyday.
emilyg, I avoid nothing in life. But since you asked here are just a couple examples.
Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth, numbers show that 60% of men, and about 40% of women, will have at least one extramarital affair in their lifetime. However, since she also concludes that accuracy is questionable to some extent, there is no way to be certain. The Kinsey Report stated that 50-60% of middle and upper-income males under the age of 60 had participated in at least one affair, and that 40-50% of women in the same bracket had done so.
The University of Chicago has published the most conservative statistics, stating that 21.2% of men, and 11.3% of women have had an unfaithful relationship.
Marital Infidelity Facts
A 1983 study found that 29 percent of married people under 25 had had an affair with no statistical difference between the number of men and women who chose to be unfaithful to their spouses.
Another study concluded that by age 40 about 50 to 65 percent of husbands and 45 to 55 percent of wives become involved in an extramarital affair.
A 1987 study surveyed 200 men and women and found that their affairs lasted an average of two years.
One study found that 47 percent of wives who were employed full-time and 27 percent of full-time homemakers had been involved in an affair before they were 40 years old.
Men and women have affairs for different reasons. Research has shown that women seek affairs in order to be loved, have a friend, and feel needed. Men seek affairs for sexual fulfillment, friendship, and fun.
Sorry Tenaj; nothing you mentioned has anything to do with a blessing; and not all that you mentioned are good things. Definetly, none of them came from some bibical gibberish. Especially freedom of speech. When the bibical fanatics had their way, there is no freedom of speech. Have you forgotten that hearesay was punishable by having your tounge cut out, or hanging? Have you forgotten that fornication, by a women, was punishable by death; or at the very least, branding with a hot poker? But it was acceptable for a man to find a whore (anopther blessing from women). Have you forgtten that women had zero place in society in the bible; even the blessed virgin - verses a non-blessed virgin - only served one purpose. To procreate and breast feed! The womans claim to fame is their begatting ability! NOt my decision, the writers of the bibles decision. None of billions of women during the old testiment or new testiment did a single thing worthwhile; at least not worth mentioning. Except to produce men. Men who did great things and were worth mentioning. No women ever received an education until the religious fanatics started to loose there domanance. Even today, the Mormons and Catholics consider women second class people. Ever seen a femal Rabbi? Name one prophit who resembled a woman. Sounds to me like a bunch of sheep need a cause that is on their side.
No, nothing I have is "blessed," everything I have, I earned, took, or fought for.
emilyg, I avoid nothing in life. But since you asked here are just a couple examples.
Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth, numbers show that 60% of men, and about 40% of women, will have at least one extramarital affair in their lifetime. However, since she also concludes that accuracy is questionable to some extent, there is no way to be certain. The Kinsey Report stated that 50-60% of middle and upper-income males under the age of 60 had participated in at least one affair, and that 40-50% of women in the same bracket had done so.
The University of Chicago has published the most conservative statistics, stating that 21.2% of men, and 11.3% of women have had an unfaithful relationship.
Marital Infidelity Facts
A 1983 study found that 29 percent of married people under 25 had had an affair with no statistical difference between the number of men and women who chose to be unfaithful to their spouses.
Another study concluded that by age 40 about 50 to 65 percent of husbands and 45 to 55 percent of wives become involved in an extramarital affair.
A 1987 study surveyed 200 men and women and found that their affairs lasted an average of two years.
One study found that 47 percent of wives who were employed full-time and 27 percent of full-time homemakers had been involved in an affair before they were 40 years old.
Men and women have affairs for different reasons. Research has shown that women seek affairs in order to be loved, have a friend, and feel needed. Men seek affairs for sexual fulfillment, friendship, and fun.
thank you. might be best to avoid mad dogs and women in life.
Sorry Tenaj; nothing you mentioned has anything to do with a blessing; and not all that you mentioned are good things. Definetly, none of them came from some bibical gibberish. Especially freedom of speech. When the bibical fanatics had their way, there is no freedom of speech. Have you forgotten that hearesay was punishable by having your tounge cut out, or hanging? Have you forgotten that fornication, by a women, was punishable by death; or at the very least, branding with a hot poker? But it was acceptable for a man to find a whore (anopther blessing from women). Have you forgtten that women had zero place in society in the bible; even the blessed virgin - verses a non-blessed virgin - only served one purpose. To procreate and breast feed! The womans claim to fame is their begatting ability! NOt my decision, the writers of the bibles decision. None of billions of women during the old testiment or new testiment did a single thing worthwhile; at least not worth mentioning. Except to produce men. Men who did great things and were worth mentioning. No women ever received an education until the religious fanatics started to loose there domanance. Even today, the Mormons and Catholics consider women second class people. Ever seen a femal Rabbi? Name one prophit who resembled a woman. Sounds to me like a bunch of sheep need a cause that is on their side.
No, nothing I have is "blessed," everything I have, I earned, took, or fought for.
chewie - there have been female rabbis since early 1970's. first one was rabbi sally priesand.
chewie - there have been female rabbis since early 1970's. first one was rabbi sally priesand.
Wow - must be a lot of scared 12-and-a- half year old Jewish males running around! Took. from the beginning of time, until the 1970's! Wow, thats progression. Can't believe they got over that thing about Adam playing in Eve's Bush so soon. Too bad the other fanatics haven't changed their opinion of women. Say a mere two hundred years earlier. Fewer women would have been BURNED ALIVE! Must be something to brag about back at the old monestary; you know the place, where women cannot go - except to clean and service.
Sorry Tenaj; nothing you mentioned has anything to do with a blessing; and not all that you mentioned are good things. Definetly, none of them came from some bibical gibberish. Especially freedom of speech. When the bibical fanatics had their way, there is no freedom of speech. Have you forgotten that hearesay was punishable by having your tounge cut out, or hanging? Have you forgotten that fornication, by a women, was punishable by death; or at the very least, branding with a hot poker? But it was acceptable for a man to find a whore (anopther blessing from women). Have you forgtten that women had zero place in society in the bible; even the blessed virgin - verses a non-blessed virgin - only served one purpose. To procreate and breast feed! The womans claim to fame is their begatting ability! NOt my decision, the writers of the bibles decision. None of billions of women during the old testiment or new testiment did a single thing worthwhile; at least not worth mentioning. Except to produce men. Men who did great things and were worth mentioning. No women ever received an education until the religious fanatics started to loose there domanance. Even today, the Mormons and Catholics consider women second class people. Ever seen a femal Rabbi? Name one prophit who resembled a woman. Sounds to me like a bunch of sheep need a cause that is on their side.
No, nothing I have is "blessed," everything I have, I earned, took, or fought for.
Ignorance of the Law does not justify breaking it, nor does ignorance of the bible justify or warrant such statement. There is only one Judge and its not you, I or any other man, woman, or child on this earth. There are man made laws and the law of God. Take your pick!
This is not bible class so I shall let it rest at what I shall prove here.
Clearly, woman was created equal in value to man (Gen. 1:27). Man, however, was inadequate by himself (Gen. 2:18). Alone of all creatures, she was created from man and for man. All others, including man, were created from "dust". Though equal, woman was created with a special role different from man.
Women were at the crucifixion and at the resurrection. It was the women who prepared the spices and oils to anoint the body of Christ. They are the ones who were first at the tomb. It was a woman who first saw and recognized the Savior after his resurrection. When he was raised, Christ entrusted the an- announcement of his resurrection to a woman and she was instructed to, "Go quickly and tell his disciples that he is raised from the dead." See Matthew 28:5-7 and John 20:1- 18.
Paul got the message loud and clear. In Galatians 3:28, the equality of women before God is affirmed: "...there is neither male or female." Paul supported wholly the worth of women and their equality in salvation, but realized that men and women have different roles and different challenges. Though writing that all Christians must submit one to another (Ephesians 5:21), he recognized that women especially are to be subject to their husbands (Ephesians 5:22-24; Colossians 3:18). Similarly, though all Christians are to love one another (Romans 13:8), men especially are to love their wives (Ephesians 5:25).
Clearly, if we review the whole scope of women in the Scriptures and the history of women in the early church, we must conclude that women are not second class Christians. Far from it!
It serves men and women to properly understand and respect the intent that God has for women. Are there differences in function? Clearly! But not "superiority" and not "inferiority! " God loves all His children equally.
Yes, I am a woman. I can pass another human being out through my body! What Can You Do? LOL
Blessings
Permit me to say the following regarding the direction this thread has taken :
Permit me to say the following regarding the direction this thread has taken :
yes nothing to do with original topic
It has everything to do with the original subject. I brought up forgiveness. The religious fanatics brought up mumbo-jumbo about angels, devils, and fearing “Jesus The Illegitimate”. I bought out valid contradictions to myths, biblical gibberish, and bigotry. Simple solutioin, stop throwing religious mumbo-jumbo in peoples face and threads like this won't go where they have.
It has everything to do with the original subject. I brought up forgiveness. The religious fanatics brought up mumbo-jumbo about angels, devils, and fearing “Jesus The Illegitimate”. I bought out valid contradictions to myths, biblical gibberish, and bigotry. Simple solutioin, stop throwing religious mumbo-jumbo in peoples face and threads like this won't go where they have.
We must not forget your motto;
|||::> *'`*:-.,_,.-:*''*:--->>> Chewie <<<---.*''*:-.,_,.-:*''* <:::|||
I only trust myself - and that's a questionable choice
"I only trust myself- and that's a questionable choice"
We have forgotten that Chewie. Well, at least I did. I will remember that the next time I read a thread of yours.
This is not bible class so I shall let it rest at what I shall prove here.
Clearly, woman was created equal in value to man (Gen. 1:27). Man, however, was inadequate by himself (Gen. 2:18). Alone of all creatures, she was created from man and for man. All others, including man, were created from "dust". Though equal, woman was created with a special role different from man.
Not a bible class, then the first thing out of your mind is that "shall" garbage based on the bible. Looks like a bible class to me. Typical superstitious babble. Based on other myths in your favorite fictional book, that special role was obviously two-fold; relief of sexual frustration for man and baring children; oops, I mean begat. In most cases, repeateded incestious begatting. For years (??) everything was great, pre-begatting and actual begatting. When done begatting, restart the cycle again. Then Adam got too carried away and went to that forbidden area. Really upset the old man; first recorded temper tantrum in history - assuming you buy into the myths. Man, did he go ballistics - WOW! Then he got mellow, allowed Cain to murder Able, then run off into the woods so he pre-begat the babe produced through hocus-pocus. 'Course, if it wasn't hocus-pocus, the it was incest. Cool! Hillbilly's every where are now standing true to the intended image of his creator. Hey babe, you're equal to man! Now get on your back and allow him to accomplish a little pre-begatting. Then you can begat incestious children. Get concept. Obvious NOW isn't buying into it, but a lot of other women are!
God loves all His children equally.
Did you miss the part about feeding his children to the lions - so they could be ripped apart, limb by limb, splilling their guts all over the area, then eaten alive? Did you miss the part about Soddom? Did you miss the part about Noah? You accept the premise that genocide of whole races is showing love for his children? You find it is acceptable to put to death any living creature; because you were having a bad day?
Women were at the crucifixion and at the resurrection. It was the women who prepared the spices and oils to anoint the body of Christ. They are the ones who were first at the tomb. It was a woman who first saw and recognized the Savior after his resurrection. When he was raised, Christ entrusted the an- announcement of his resurrection to a woman and she was instructed to, "Go quickly and tell his disciples that he is raised from the dead.
Lets see if I got this right. The men are out resting in the open air, women were inside the cave for the cleanup, dishwashing, floor washing, and candle lighting. Then they're used as runners for the carrying the will of man. (Wasn't there some lind pebble blocking the door - how did they plan to get in? Oh, another myth, there was not rock!) She was instructed! Not, would you please! Hey you, women, get off your little gold mine and go do my bidding. The men are the leaders, not you house cleaners, so hop to it! Now thats equality! Of course, one would have to buy into the unproven myth to believe that fairy tale. Unless you're a masochist, and like the concept of sitting around waiting to do the bidding of a man.
... he recognized that women especially are to be subject to their husbands
Now thats the good part. Guess the rest doesn't matter. Oh, and when you're done with the cooking, cleaning, and educating of the children, come over here and help me lesson the tension!
All you have "proven" is that superstition and fear is your bases of life. You proved that you honor a mass murder with sacrifices of additional slaughers. You proved that you condone incest. You proved that you thrive on the thought that drowning of any non-believer is the only course of action. You proved that, when provocked, you would have no problem pouring hot lava on children of all ages. You proved that burning women at the stake, or branding a female fornicator with a hot poker, are actions of a supreme being. The great part is, you give 10% of what you make to ensure you do not anger your supreme being. The decendant of those disciples have to love watching the sheep feeding the donation basket. Steady income, and the benefits of little innocent, virgin, boys! Hey - modern day Arch-Angeles spreading the seed! Cool job. Yep, you've proven you're point. Thou shalt not be a free thinker; if you do, God will strike you and your children dead! Make him really mad, and he may burn your little daughter at the stake! Be sure to buy lots a K-Y Jelly in your sons back-pack; he might run into a priest some day.
Pardon me, I was going to comment on this article, but after reading the posts, I am honestly confused about what is being talked about!
I'll just leave this one alone; not interested in offending anyone.
Regards, Mel
What I will say is that you have all different sorts of people on this system......too many different kinds to even mention the bible.
It is often best not to discuss such a heated topic......creates more friends and less animosity.
Good luck to you all,
Mel
Pardon me, I was going to comment on this article, but after reading the posts, I am honestly confused about what is being talked about!
I'll just leave this one alone; not interested in offending anyone.
Regards, Mel
Nor am I Mel , but just one quick comment :
The original dialogue was whether or not this particular lady done the right thing by keeping the lottery winnings secret from her husband for 3+ years.
Oh, it started out fairly clean, but has digressed into a hateful spewing that needs to die- no one wins these things...
DD
I certainly agree with you, DD......
As far as the article, this lady was apparently trying to do the right thing by everyone in her family. Because of this, everyone has prospered in some kind of way by the money, even though she kept it secret.
I wonder what people would say if she had divorced his butt after she had received the money.....would the topic of religion still be brought up?
Regards, Mel
Mel, you don't wanna know. trust me.
It has everything to do with the original subject. I brought up forgiveness. The religious fanatics brought up mumbo-jumbo about angels, devils, and fearing “Jesus The Illegitimate”. I bought out valid contradictions to myths, biblical gibberish, and bigotry. Simple solutioin, stop throwing religious mumbo-jumbo in peoples face and threads like this won't go where they have.
We must not forget your motto;
|||::> *'`*:-.,_,.-:*''*:--->>> Chewie <<<---.*''*:-.,_,.-:*''* <:::|||
I only trust myself - and that's a questionable choice
"I only trust myself- and that's a questionable choice"
We have forgotten that Chewie. Well, at least I did. I will remember that the next time I read a thread of yours.
Mel, you and DD are absolutely right. But, I just realized why the topic took the turn that it did. Yeah, Mel, now that would have been reason for a 16 page++++ thread. But as you so aptly read, she was trying to protect and provide for her family at the same time. She was able to do that by keeping her win, secret. Which brings me to another question. Do you or any of the Lottery Post Group, know of any statistics on winners of lotteries who have kept their winnings secret vs. those who have gone public---I mean , are the ones who go public likely to squander their winnings? VS. the ones who keep quiet about their winnings?
Lollipop, I've done the studying....and truth be told, lots of people would rather keep their winnings secret rather than go public because of safety and personal reasons. That's why I applaud this lady for doing what she did.
To be honest with you all, I would have done the same thing. I have done the same thing with just winning hundreds instead of millions and to this day, my family still don't know. I don't knock anybody for making a decision like that in order to keep order.
Thanks for pointing out this issue, it really brings light to this subject.
Regards, Mel
If they kept it secret, how would you know about it? If you knew about it, it wouldn't be a secret. That is like asking if a woman was pregnant, but never gave birth, would any one know. She didn't keep it a secret, that is why it is public knowledge. Strange how that works!
What I'd like to know, is how many marriages last when one side is secretive, lying, and deceitful? You can't hide money and not acknowledge you're spending money that isn't supposed to exist; that is lying. Hiding money from your spouse is deceitful. Doesn't matter if both sides do it, or it is a trait of the average marriage. There is more then one way to be a cheating spouse, and this woman carries the trophy for that category for the year 2005. Doesn't matter what the justification. Cheating is cheating. Lying is lying. Deceiving is deceiving.
How would any of you feel if you found out your spouse was a liar, a cheat, and the last several years of your marriage was based on deceit? Would you be so proud, you would buy television and radio time to brag about your spouse being a cheat, liar, and deceit? Would you still take the position, my transgression isn't as bad as what your's might be some day? Do you teach your children that lying, cheating and deceiving is the way to go, based on a hunch? Do you tell the little league team down the street to lie, cheat and deceive to win; because you think it would be better for the neighborhood? Where do you draw the line? Why draw a line? As long as it suits your viewpoint, lying, cheating, and deceiving should be acceptable. Not for the other person, just for you.
Chewie, that what you posted is simply outrageous.
The reason why I applaud this woman is simple: she kept her winnings a secret to protect her husband from potential drug abuse.
In marriage, we are taught to love, honor and cherish our spouses. Did she cheat him out of the money? No. Did she still stay with him even though because of his previous drug abuse they almost lost everything? Yes. So, chewie, I ask you, doesn't this prove that she honored her vows?
This has nothing to do with being lying, cheating, or even deceitful. This has to do with old-fashioned common sense. She knew that by exposing that she won a large amount of money that it might tempt him to go back to his old, horrible ways. Since you mentioned children, do you think that it would have been profitable to them to be exposed to drug abuse? That might have happened if she had told him the truth.
In the future, please read things more carefully before jumping to drastic conclusions: you'll see the light more clearly.
Regards, Mel
I can see the key word here Mel. It's "might tempt", what the heck is she, a fortune teller or something? I think not! Like it had been said before, his habit was 15 years "prior" her win of the lottery! Now to stick around for 15 years after said drug habit and have kids with this man and then win the lottery and not tell her husband is Flat Out Deceitfulness! I don't care how you try to justify her choice to hide said lottery win from her husband, it's still deceit! Deceit doesn't have one meaning for this situation, but then it has another meaning that situation! It just doesn't work like that! Now to say she "may" have had probable cause to make the choice she did, could fly, but not for long in the justice system! Again, it would come down to the definition of the word deceit and if she practiced it or not! I honestly think that a judge or her peers would convict her on the grounds of practicing deceit and she would have to fork over his half to him, if it were to ever go to court! Heck if it was to go to divorce court she could lose it all to him for hiding the household assets! Under most laws in most (western style nations) that money belongs to them both "regardless", it's call community property and it wouldn't matter one bit as to why/reasons she hid the win from her husband, the court would run her butt through the grinder for her "DECEIT!" There is no question about that, Not one Bit! Just try it sometime and see what happens to your sorry a##!
I can see the key word here Mel. It's "might tempt", what the heck is she, a fortune teller or something? I think not! Like it had been said before, his habit was 15 years "prior" her win of the lottery! Now to stick around for 15 years after said drug habit and have kids with this man and then win the lottery and not tell her husband is Flat Out Deceitfulness! I don't care how you try to justify her choice to hide said lottery win from her husband, it's still deceit! Deceit doesn't have one meaning for this situation, but then it has another meaning that situation! It just doesn't work like that! Now to say she "may" have had probable cause to make the choice she did, could fly, but not for long in the justice system! Again, it would come down to the definition of the word deceit and if she practiced it or not! I honestly think that a judge or her peers would convict her on the grounds of practicing deceit and she would have to fork over his half to him, if it were to ever go to court! Heck if it was to go to divorce court she could lose it all to him for hiding the household assets! Under most laws in most (western style nations) that money belongs to them both "regardless", it's call community property and it wouldn't matter one bit as to why/reasons she hid the win from her husband, the court would run her butt through the grinder for her "DECEIT!" There is no question about that, Not one Bit! Just try it sometime and see what happens to your sorry a##!
nonsense.
BaristaExpress, its people like you that make the world go around.
No wonder the world is in a sorry state.
Kiss my a## is my response to your rediculous paragraph. Try learning how to punctuate next time.....
Good luck to all on this system!
Regards, Mel
I sure like 123 as the Mid Day three for 2/7/2006.
Oh I'm Sorry did I say something about a Lottery ?
Oh I'm Sorry did I say something about a Lottery ?
Yes, you did say something about a lottery, but this isn't a lottery forum, this is a " my point is right and the hell with what you think " forum .
It's really amazing that we have members that ask us to support each other, but then go into a personal attack mode whenever someone disagrees with their position.
What numbers do you like in the Mega Millions tonite ?
Has this story prompted a record number of responses?The good, the bad, and the ugly ...?
Lollipop and DD, you're right. UGLY is the key word here, which is exactly what this discussion has become. Everyone should be respected, no matter what their views are.
If you decide to get personal with someone in the disrepectful sense, you deserve what you get. As far as I am concerned, I should not have lost my temper over unadult-like foolishness.
Good luck to you both and all on this system!
Regards, Mel
Lollipop and DD, you're right. UGLY is the key word here, which is exactly what this discussion has become. Everyone should be respected, no matter what their views are.
If you decide to get personal with someone in the disrepectful sense, you deserve what you get. As far as I am concerned, I should not have lost my temper over unadult-like foolishness.
Good luck to you both and all on this system!
Regards, Mel
Exactly right my friends, and do you know how to end this?
Don't post anymore, because then the person who started all of this wont have anything to reply to unless the want to talk to their self! It's that simple. I was smart and adult enough to not respond after what I posted was twisted into ugliness because that person will pick out only what they want to see and not read everything, and again turn it into something ugly and rude.
Again the only way to stop it is to stop Feeding that person. The only way hate, and rudeness can survive is if it is feed its like a disease.
Blessings all!I totally agree - look at page 9, where lollipop started this gobbilty-goop, and all of you will stop feeding that self-glorifying UGLY superstitious biblical mythology about heaven and ejection of master liars:
Aaaahhh Yeah, Chewie...
. You see, there is not a single relationship on planet earth that is ideal. And the "T" word Trust? In God, we trust---100%; others we try to believe in 50%. Those liars, etc. are not in heaven, nor will they go. They, along with other hypocrits will join the master liar who was kicked out centuries ago along with 1/3 of heaven's population. You see Chewie, there are those people who do and move on and say their apologies when needed. Then there are those people who are self righteous hypocrits, throwing stone after stone when they live in glass houses They can not see clearly what they are saying about another person because there is a huge beam in their eyes blocking view of a tiny splinter in the eye of the person they are dumping on.
. Have you ALWAYS been honest????????
Chewie, if I offended you in anyway, do accept my apology. It was not my intent to offend anyone. And looking back at the post, I did address you personally. Nevertheless, accept my apology, will you, and let's get ready for that big PB jackpot this weekend.
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MyLollipop!
I agree - time to move on to important things - like the lottery. I need the money for a party. It has been a rough week.