Businesses say despite payouts, games aren't illegal gambling
South Carolina authorities seized 464 gaming machines and computers Thursday from 13 York County businesses accused of hosting illegal gambling just over the N.C. state line.
Drawing attention were an increasing number of "Internet cafes" where customers played video slots with prepaid cards. Business owners defended them as legal sweepstakes. Authorities, however, said the cafes, which pay out money to winners, are thinly veiled attempts to get around state gambling laws.
The burgeoning cafes appeared poised to become another wave of gaming similar to video-poker parlors that sprouted in border towns in the 1990s, authorities said.
Video poker took off in 1991 after the state Supreme Court said payouts were legal. Lawmakers banned payouts in 2000.
"As time goes on we can foresee the problem growing greater and greater as it did in 2000 when people were losing their cars and their homes," York County Sheriff Bruce Bryant said. "It's obvious that we're headed back in that direction. We want to sort of nip it before it gets out of hand."
Business owners said their games, which are growing nationwide, were no different than sweepstakes offered at fast-food restaurants or Internet gambling available on home computers.
"Judges and lawyers can play games like this at their office," said Doug McManus, owner of Big Daddy's Fireworks on U.S. 21 near Carowinds, which had a cafe for nearly a year. "These are penny games here. It's more for fun than anything else."
No arrests; fines possible
Of the 464 machines taken, 395 were tied to Internet games. Authorities also collected $34,000 from the businesses.Officials did not announce any arrests Thursday. Business owners could face fines of $500 per machine or up to a year in prison, 16th Circuit Solicitor Tommy Pope said. Authorities cited the state's two anti-gambling laws in seizing the machines, said Marvin Brown, who heads a York County law-enforcement unit that conducted the raid with the State Law Enforcement Division.
At least seven cafes within a couple of miles of the Carowinds theme park were raided along with three in Rock Hill. Some cafes had been open for nearly a year, but several others had opened in the past month.
The cafes were attached to fireworks stores and occupied old video-poker parlors and nightclubs. One shopping center at U.S. 21 and S.C. 51 had three cafes.
Long counters lined with flat-panel monitors and padded office chairs filled the dark, often smoky Fort Mill cafes. Keyboards usually were stored under counters because players didn't need them for the games.
Employees offered free soft drinks and snacks to players engrossed in their screens.
Cafe customers got cards for prepaid time to surf the Web, but the computers were preset to play video-slot games. After spending a free $1.60 already on the cards, players could add money to keep playing the Internet games. Then players could take their cards to cashiers and take home their winnings.
"As time goes on we can foresee the problem growing greater and greater as it did in 2000 when people were losing their cars and their homes," York County Sheriff Bruce Bryant said. "It's obvious that we're headed back in that direction. We want to sort of nip it before it gets out of hand."
I thought this all along, they don't care if these people lose their cars and homes, what they care about is the money leaving SC and old money being cut.
I believe this is the big factor in why the NC Lottery is so problematic. If the money was going in their pockets it would be a different story.
OMG - someone trying to make money off of gambling - besides the Government! Stop that immediately, or they will have to result to bribes to make extra money!
That's right , Chewie.
Remember, we can buy a lottery ticket, which is gambling
but we can't bet on a football game, which is gambling.
We can buy a scratch off ticket, which is gambling,
but we cannot play a computer game of chance , which is gambling
I so confused !!!
Don't be confused. If your state can make money off of it, it is legal. Otherwise it is illegal! There would be legislatures jumping out of buiildings if people actually quit smoking and drinking. The money would dry up. Then they would have to legalize drugs, to make up for the losses! Yes, based on the past 40 years, America's future is not looking that great!
3/4/2006
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That's right , Chewie.
Remember, we can buy a lottery ticket, which is gambling
but we can't bet on a football game, which is gambling.
We can buy a scratch off ticket, which is gambling,
but we cannot play a computer game of chance , which is gambling
I so confused !!!
Toooooo bad there isn't sound to go with that!
I feel sorry for the businesses that are going to lose money because of this. Some probably borrowed money and spent life saving to set up those businesses.
Some people are losing jobs behind this as well.
I feel sorry for the businesses that are going to lose money because of this. Some probably borrowed money and spent life saving to set up those businesses.
Some people are losing jobs behind this as well.
They should have been better prepared ie: the laws on "gambling".
They can still run their internet cafe's....heck, I will stop in and log on with my laptop next time I'm in Rock Hill. That is if they are still there.....
I agree this is going to hurt them financially, but again, the risk vs. reward factor was in play( no pun intended ).
DD
I feel sorry for the businesses that are going to lose money because of this. Some probably borrowed money and spent life saving to set up those businesses.
Some people are losing jobs behind this as well.
I have no sympathy for the businesses, they are there to make money off of people. The workers, some, maybe. Not all workers need to be punished, they need a job. You go into business to make money, becareful of what business you choose. If they chose to get rich selling cigarettes, and state banned cirgarettes, that would have been a bad business choice!
Most tiimes, I agree with you, not on this one.
I feel sorry for the businesses that are going to lose money because of this. Some probably borrowed money and spent life saving to set up those businesses.
Some people are losing jobs behind this as well.
I have no sympathy for the businesses, they are there to make money off of people. The workers, some, maybe. Not all workers need to be punished, they need a job. You go into business to make money, becareful of what business you choose. If they chose to get rich selling cigarettes, and state banned cirgarettes, that would have been a bad business choice!
Most tiimes, I agree with you, not on this one.
That's OK Chewie. You are right, I just saw myself in the situation. Losses on income tax will take care of some of the financial lost.
I feel sorry for the businesses that are going to lose money because of this. Some probably borrowed money and spent life saving to set up those businesses.
Some people are losing jobs behind this as well.
I have no sympathy for the businesses, they are there to make money off of people. The workers, some, maybe. Not all workers need to be punished, they need a job. You go into business to make money, becareful of what business you choose. If they chose to get rich selling cigarettes, and state banned cirgarettes, that would have been a bad business choice!
Most tiimes, I agree with you, not on this one.
That's OK Chewie. You are right, I just saw myself in the situation. Losses on income tax will take care of some of the financial lost.
I would also think, most are some sort of LLC or other corporation, thus, palming the losses off to the creditors. The actual owners will walk away clean, with a fat bank account. A smart business plan always uses some one elses money.
I thought SC did away with video poker. Oh well.