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Posted: June 20, 2006, 5:43 pm - IP Logged

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    That's why there should be NO such thing as an annuity-only game. TWO deaths are involved.

    There's a prescription on the market for cash-only syndrome.  The illness usually develops slowly as it destroys all logic and causes blurred vision. 

    This lawsuit has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of game he won.  Any court could have kept St. John from spending his winnings. The case went to court to determine who was the rightful owner and if a ticket is truly a bearer instrument.

    BTW, the medication is available in 5 and 10mg tablets or in liquid form. It can also be taken rectally for those who have trouble with asset allocation. 

    6/20/2006

    "JUST"....I really enjoyed reading your posting.  You have always been one of my favorites, because of your knowledge, intelligence and of course "wit"......keep it up..

    Green laugh

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      Posted: June 20, 2006, 6:31 pm - IP Logged

      Wow this is funny, The only way the original owner should get the ticket back is if he/she signed the back of the ticket, If you are stupid enough to thow away $1 million dollars then you don't deserve to have the money in the first place.  And why would you play scratchers anyways? they are no fun, you never win and the outcome is predetermined

      6/20/2006

      I really like your number series....are the first 3 digits based on B'days..7-16-20....??

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        Posted: June 20, 2006, 6:38 pm - IP Logged

        6/20/2006

        Reading this story brought to mind my new (one of many favorites) TV show"WINDFALL" I don't care about the critics, this show has real life story lines,and gets better each week.  Mr. St. John can certainly say, he just came into a "WINDFALL"....w/ all the drama attached to it that he probably never imagined(the drama that is)....he is being sued, like the group on the show....etc

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          Posted: June 20, 2006, 7:43 pm - IP Logged

          Maybe spent $2000/month included his winnings too.  Spend and lose aren't the same, for example this evening I spent $10 on Ohio RC5 and won $1.  When I cash in my ticket tomorrow and buy another ticket and lose, I will have spent $11 on RC5 but only lost $10.

          So you spent $10 and won $1 ($ -9.00) and when you buy your next ticket ( another $10 ticket??? ) if you don't win anything, you will have spent $20 but only lost $19. Or are you planning on spending only $1 on your next ticket?  In which case then you will have spent $11 but only lost $10, yes.

          Regardless, I still am trying to figure how the guy could spend basically $500/week on scratch-off tickets, while getting only a disability check and holding a part-time job. I work full time and no WAY I could afford anything like that. There are other expenses that must be met from what one makes.  Somehow this guy must have been clearing a pretty whopping sum. I mean, isn't there even tax due on disability income?

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            Posted: June 20, 2006, 8:40 pm - IP Logged

            That's why there should be NO such thing as an annuity-only game. TWO deaths are involved.

            There's a prescription on the market for cash-only syndrome.  The illness usually develops slowly as it destroys all logic and causes blurred vision. 

            This lawsuit has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of game he won.  Any court could have kept St. John from spending his winnings. The case went to court to determine who was the rightful owner and if a ticket is truly a bearer instrument.

            BTW, the medication is available in 5 and 10mg tablets or in liquid form. It can also be taken rectally for those who have trouble with asset allocation. 

            ROFLyou're a nut justxploring! Love ya!

            voir-vous dans mes reves!Cool

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              Posted: June 21, 2006, 1:23 am - IP Logged

              Thanks everyone.

              ~Nancy

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                Posted: June 21, 2006, 7:34 am - IP Logged

                "It was Donovan's practice, says Doyle, to scratch the tickets at the store counter. Checking the ticket coding, he would then segregate the winners from the losers. He wouldn't know how much he won until later when he scratched off the rest of each ticket.

                Donovan threw out all the tickets he thought were losers — including the million-dollar winner — and left the store."

                 

                The problem with relying on the codes is in MA they use the "loser" codes for the big winners (those over $600 which must be presented directly to the MA lottery for payment).

                 Personally I don't see why one would buy a scratch ticket then just scratch off  the code (rather than scratch the winning #'s) - part of the idea of playing scratch tickets IMO is the fun of playing (not that I'd throw away the money gained from winning, mind you...LOL).

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                  "It was Donovan's practice, says Doyle, to scratch the tickets at the store counter. Checking the ticket coding, he would then segregate the winners from the losers. He wouldn't know how much he won until later when he scratched off the rest of each ticket.

                  Donovan threw out all the tickets he thought were losers — including the million-dollar winner — and left the store."

                   

                  The problem with relying on the codes is in MA they use the "loser" codes for the big winners (those over $600 which must be presented directly to the MA lottery for payment).

                   Personally I don't see why one would buy a scratch ticket then just scratch off  the code (rather than scratch the winning #'s) - part of the idea of playing scratch tickets IMO is the fun of playing (not that I'd throw away the money gained from winning, mind you...LOL).

                  part of the idea of playing scratch tickets IMO is the fun of playing (not that I'd throw away the money gained from winning, mind you...LOL).

                   The description of how they do things down at the hen doesn't convey an image of anything I'd call fun. 

                  The dead guy actually didn't know how much he was going to spend on tickets when he went to the store.  Went home for more money so's to come back and buy $70 more worth of scratchers.

                  "Whew," Donavan thinks to himself.  "I just enjoyed sitting here scratching the backs of these tickets and throwing the losers into the trash, I'm giddy with excitement."

                  Wonder how the rest of his day went after he scratched the other $70 he bought and presumably tossed after a quick look at the back. 

                  If St. Johns hadn't found the winner and Donovan hadn't died a person can suppose he'd be down at the hen this morning scratching tickets, running to the house for more money, coming back scratching more tickets.

                  Riding the great mandala.

                  If there's any truth to the belief a person gets to examine how he spent his life during his last moments old Donovan must have gotten to enjoy scratching all those tickets one more time before the ejection seat shot him off into what comes next.

                  J

                   

                   

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                    Posted: June 23, 2006, 7:59 am - IP Logged

                    Actually, Rip, the prize codes on MA scratch tickets are not on the back - they're imbedded in the playfield on the front.  After a few plays most players know where the codes are located on each ticket and can (if they want) just scratch those parts of the ticket which contain them. See Ya!

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                      Posted: June 24, 2006, 2:09 pm - IP Logged

                      "It was Donovan's practice, says Doyle, to scratch the tickets at the store counter. Checking the ticket coding, he would then segregate the winners from the losers. He wouldn't know how much he won until later when he scratched off the rest of each ticket.

                      Donovan threw out all the tickets he thought were losers — including the million-dollar winner — and left the store."

                       

                      The problem with relying on the codes is in MA they use the "loser" codes for the big winners (those over $600 which must be presented directly to the MA lottery for payment).

                       Personally I don't see why one would buy a scratch ticket then just scratch off  the code (rather than scratch the winning #'s) - part of the idea of playing scratch tickets IMO is the fun of playing (not that I'd throw away the money gained from winning, mind you...LOL).

                      part of the idea of playing scratch tickets IMO is the fun of playing (not that I'd throw away the money gained from winning, mind you...LOL).

                       The description of how they do things down at the hen doesn't convey an image of anything I'd call fun. 

                      The dead guy actually didn't know how much he was going to spend on tickets when he went to the store.  Went home for more money so's to come back and buy $70 more worth of scratchers.

                      "Whew," Donavan thinks to himself.  "I just enjoyed sitting here scratching the backs of these tickets and throwing the losers into the trash, I'm giddy with excitement."

                      Wonder how the rest of his day went after he scratched the other $70 he bought and presumably tossed after a quick look at the back. 

                      If St. Johns hadn't found the winner and Donovan hadn't died a person can suppose he'd be down at the hen this morning scratching tickets, running to the house for more money, coming back scratching more tickets.

                      Riding the great mandala.

                      If there's any truth to the belief a person gets to examine how he spent his life during his last moments old Donovan must have gotten to enjoy scratching all those tickets one more time before the ejection seat shot him off into what comes next.

                      J

                       

                       

                      HAPPY STAURDAY 6/24.."RIP".....

                      LOLOLOOLOLO........it's always a pleasure reading your postings on this forum...don't be such a stranger......you have always been one of my favorites........WinkPatriot

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                        In a way I feel sorry for his family and can understand why they think they have claim to the winning ticket. I agree that St John is the rightful owner, since the ticket would have been buried in a landfill had he not pulled it out of a trash can. However, if this story is really true, Donovan had a gambling problem. I can't imagine anyone spending $2,000 on scratch tickets every month, especially if he had a family. You can't really separate the effect stress has on the mind & the body. Knowing that he spent his disability check and countless hours of his life scratching for that big prize and totally blew it was probably what killed him. The anxiety (or depression) probably manifested itself as a heart attack. In the end, I hope he was a good, decent person and got the ultimate prize. Very, very sad.

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                          In a way I feel sorry for his family and can understand why they think they have claim to the winning ticket. I agree that St John is the rightful owner, since the ticket would have been buried in a landfill had he not pulled it out of a trash can. However, if this story is really true, Donovan had a gambling problem. I can't imagine anyone spending $2,000 on scratch tickets every month, especially if he had a family. You can't really separate the effect stress has on the mind & the body. Knowing that he spent his disability check and countless hours of his life scratching for that big prize and totally blew it was probably what killed him. The anxiety (or depression) probably manifested itself as a heart attack. In the end, I hope he was a good, decent person and got the ultimate prize. Very, very sad.

                          You have such good insight and depth.  You are willing to give him benefit of doubt.  Donovan had a problem alright.  I just never bought the idea tht he threw his ticket away.  A million???? ? I have always thought that he was indecent and his hatefulness caused his demise.  I said then and I say now, leave the old man alone less he be the next casuality.