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Online gambling threatened by U.S. legislators

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Posted: July 8, 2006, 10:21 am - IP Logged

Unfortunately, our legislators couldn't care less about what we want or what we think.

Our entire political process has become party-driven, and lawmakers' individual decisions regarding how they vote on any given issue are prioritized according to Democratic or Republican agendas; the needs and desires of the "common constituency" are only recognized if they have an organized lobby (pronounced: Special Interest Groups) "donating" to their party's campaigns.

This will never change until people wake up and realize that their habit of voting a straight ticket on election day no longer serves their interests.

I scan seventeen different newspapers every day, and I have yet to read a single story of an American minor getting into trouble for online gambling (with the possible exception of the occasional college student). However, as pointed out in the discussion above, it's obvious from reading those same newspapers that minors have a great interest in pornographic websites. The only verification required to enter such sites is a positive answer to the question, "Are you 18 or older?"

Disguising this legislation as a measure to protect our children from online gambling has no basis in fact, but it does make for a very effective platform with which to ensure its ultimate passage. Since there is no way American lawmakers can tax off-shore or foreign gambling sites, the only short-sighted alternative is to shut them down. The next step will be to authorize state lotteries or even casinos to begin operations which can be taxed, which will lead to more corruption among our lawmakers as they devise ways to route part of that revenue stream into their own pockets. 

Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

Jim

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    Posted: July 8, 2006, 10:45 am - IP Logged

    Pass the "Fair Tax" which eliminated all Federal payroll taxes where you bring home all the money you make less state taxes if applicable. 

    Make internet gambling legal and tack a 23% federal tax on the amount spent on your bets online (remember you won't be taxed on what you win) and be done with the whole matter. 

    The government gets paid, internet gamblers get to do as they choose legally.

    Win/win for all.

    Amen to the Fair Tax!!!!! For those of you that don't know about it there is a "Fair Tax" book writen by Congressman Linder and talk show host Neil Boortz.  Good read  amkes a lot of sense but the olny way it will go any where is a ground swell of popular support.  It gets rid of the IRS and takes the lobboyist influnence ( and the big bucks they make) out of polotics

    Thanks!!! 

    Another thing with Fair Tax is that the feds could levy that 23% surcharge on all wire transfers of $$$$$ out of the country being made by Mexicans and other nationalities sending US $$$ to their families.  Folks it isn't just the Mexicans sending money "home"  ... it's just that they're in the news now.

    Build in the 23% into sites allowed to perform $$$ transfers. 

    Yes millions of $$$ are being wired out from untapped underground economies and all they're trying to do is raise taxes to squeeze more blood out of legit above ground economies.

    And Jim you're correct that they don't care what we think until it's time to cast out ballots and they'll promise us anything to get those votes.

    Good luck to everyone!

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      Posted: July 8, 2006, 10:50 am - IP Logged

      Well said Jim 695. However they do listen when enough people get behind something.  Write your represenatives and ask where they stand on the Fair Tax and if they don't support why not.  They had a Fair Tax rally in Atlanta last month and had 6000 in attendance with more trying to get in.  There is another one in Orlando on 29 July. Go to Boortz.com for info if you live in the area.  And if the Fair Tax became law we would not have to pay a federal tax when we hit the BIG ONE.

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        Posted: July 8, 2006, 11:05 am - IP Logged

        The Fair Tax also indirectly taxes such thing as drugs and prostitution.  When they spend the proceeds from their "illegal" activities they pay the 23% tax.  For those of you that don't know it you are already paying a 23% more or less tax on things you buy.  When a manufacturor pays taxes he passes it on to you and studies show that it's about the same as you would pay in the new sales tax. and when the employers don't have to pay the taxes prices will come down.

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          Posted: July 8, 2006, 12:51 pm - IP Logged

          This is the only real problem I have with online gambling: I keep seeing a signature line on here that says to "Elminiate all computerized drawings". I agree with that. Computerized drawings can be easily rigged to draw a combination that has the least amount of tickets picking it. i.e. instead of Pick 4 "1978" it picks Pick 4 "8885" which is much less popular. With a real drawing you see the balls mixing and that it would be almost impossible to cause certain ones to float up into the chute. (This really applies to drawings that pay a fixed amount, not pari-mutuel).

          In a real casino, on something like a dice game there are actual cubes bouncing on an actual table that sometimes you get to roll. The casino doesn't need to have your name/address/personal info and you can prevent them from keeping track of your win/loss ratio by not supplying such info in the form of a "comp" card.

          In an online casino, EVERYTHING IS "COMPUTERIZED"! The "dice" are part of the same PROGRAM that spits out Keno numbers and that KEEPS TRACK OF your win/loss ratio. They will use psychology so that you do well just long enough to keep playing and then the COMPUTER makes SURE you would lose it back and then some! Because it's not regulated they can make their ratios (even on dice games) whatever they need it to be and you don't know if the "other players" are themselves COMPUTERS teamed up against you!

          Yes we should have freedom to do things.. but there should be reasonable limits. Online casino operators should not have the freedom to rip people off... just as you don't have the "freedom" to rob a bank without going to jail. if they can be regulated then I'd have no problem with them being there.

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            Posted: July 8, 2006, 3:00 pm - IP Logged

            Hsvscubaski:

            I agree with your point.  Being in the Constitution, however, has nothing to do with my argument.  Just because it isn't in the Constitution doesn't mean the true-believing nuts won't raise hell about it.  If you haven't noticed, the Constitution has little to do with what Congress does anymore.  They pretty much do what they please.  The Consitution also has nothing to do with what the politically-correct liberals believe.  It just gets in their way.

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              Posted: July 8, 2006, 4:35 pm - IP Logged

              hear hear Fair Tax

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                Posted: July 8, 2006, 4:45 pm - IP Logged

                This is the only real problem I have with online gambling: I keep seeing a signature line on here that says to "Elminiate all computerized drawings". I agree with that. Computerized drawings can be easily rigged to draw a combination that has the least amount of tickets picking it. i.e. instead of Pick 4 "1978" it picks Pick 4 "8885" which is much less popular. With a real drawing you see the balls mixing and that it would be almost impossible to cause certain ones to float up into the chute. (This really applies to drawings that pay a fixed amount, not pari-mutuel).

                In a real casino, on something like a dice game there are actual cubes bouncing on an actual table that sometimes you get to roll. The casino doesn't need to have your name/address/personal info and you can prevent them from keeping track of your win/loss ratio by not supplying such info in the form of a "comp" card.

                In an online casino, EVERYTHING IS "COMPUTERIZED"! The "dice" are part of the same PROGRAM that spits out Keno numbers and that KEEPS TRACK OF your win/loss ratio. They will use psychology so that you do well just long enough to keep playing and then the COMPUTER makes SURE you would lose it back and then some! Because it's not regulated they can make their ratios (even on dice games) whatever they need it to be and you don't know if the "other players" are themselves COMPUTERS teamed up against you!

                Yes we should have freedom to do things.. but there should be reasonable limits. Online casino operators should not have the freedom to rip people off... just as you don't have the "freedom" to rob a bank without going to jail. if they can be regulated then I'd have no problem with them being there.

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                i've collected twice in large amounts online.betslips.com has done me great.both times i won thousands and i got paid.i even posted it here in the forums.........

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                  Posted: July 8, 2006, 5:07 pm - IP Logged

                  Just so everyone is aware, J0026 signed up using a false location, breaking the rules, and I have a very strong feeling that they are not who they appear to be.  It is someone I have to continually get rid off because they keep trolling the forums with anti-gambling nonsense.

                  Nobody needs to be concerned, just carry on as usual and ignore the ignoramus.

                   

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                    Posted: July 9, 2006, 1:10 am - IP Logged

                    I'm wondering, if legistlature of this nature were to be adopted by both the house and the senate, how would this affect sites like BetSlips and PTS?  Since I am paying them for the service of purchasing a legitimate ticket, which they are not transporting across State lines, nor making copies of do you think they would be continue to be allowed to operate? 

                     

                    To me, it seems a lot different than gambling on some site that makes up its own games.


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                      Posted: July 9, 2006, 10:47 am - IP Logged

                      If legislators ban online gambling, that would be great. People will have to travel from state to state buying other state's lotto. I think people should do online gambling should be 18/21 or over.

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                        Posted: July 9, 2006, 11:15 am - IP Logged

                        I'm very much in favor of individual state lotteries being able to sell tickets online.  Yes Nod

                        Were it legal then I would do so in the comfort of my own home just like any other online purchase.

                          .... also feel that ticket sales would be increased for all state lotteries set up to sell online

                        I suppose the bill being considered before congress is why Georgia tabled their online ticket sales proposal until whatever legislation makes its way through on a federal level.

                        Good luck to everyone!

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                          If legislators ban online gambling, that would be great. People will have to travel from state to state buying other state's lotto. I think people should do online gambling should be 18/21 or over.

                          You are not making any sense.

                          You say how great it would be to ban online gambling, and then go on to say that people over 18/21 (whatever that means) should be allowed to gamble online.

                          Do you really have an opinion on this?  Please explain why you think it would be good to ban people from online gambling.

                           

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                            Posted: July 9, 2006, 12:20 pm - IP Logged

                            I think those in favor of online gambling bans should also favor total gambling bans. If you want to ban gambling in the privacy of your own home where it doesn't add traffic or crime out on the streets then banning all casinos and lotteries in the US should also make sense. Clearly people can waste their money at either.

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                              Posted: July 9, 2006, 1:21 pm - IP Logged

                              Our legislators have far more to worry about than online gambling,they should give more attention to how they are spending our tax dollars,I'm sure lot's of our tax dollars are spent on gambling by these so called Congressmen and Senators.on there foreign trips to those countries,with gambling facilities.

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