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Tenaj's avatar - michellea
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Tenaj,

I know your feelings on this race issue, but all I can say is that our wise founding fathers provided the framework to establish the only country in the world where everyone is free.  Which is a pretty remarkable achievement, considering that there did not exist a single country they could use as a template at the time.

When it comes to race I have learned that many people will not change their perspective, even if they are exposed to knowledge that what they were thinking was wrong.  I think you'd agree with me. 

And it works both ways -- those who were/are prejudiced against others, and those who were/are feeling they are being oppressed by others because of their race.  Both types thought that they were right at one time, and both types have those who refuse to see that things have changed.

How does this apply to what you said?  I believe that you are not seeing that given the way people thought at the time, they still established a history-making framework that years later would be used to liberate every soul in America.

We are the shining beacon of freedom to the rest of the world, and thanks to our founding fathers our country has provided the model of freedom for the rest of the world.  We each see, live, and breathe that concept every day, and it would not be possible, if not for the world's most courageous and brilliant men -- those who established America.

SmashThis is not a race thing Todd and I am sorry you believe that.  We all do not share the same political views, and I respect the right of others to state theirs and hope they give me the right to state mine.  If someone posts political views and sentiments --- example---that they love Republicians and Bush, and that our founding fathers were just grand, I feel I have the right to post that I do not feel the same way. 

This has nothing to do with race but the right to disagree. 

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    Posted: July 15, 2006, 8:23 pm - IP Logged

    Well then, if I have totally misread your post, then it may be because you left a lot to the imagination.

    Do you really think that I do not understand that others have differents views from my own?  If you read my message a little closer, you'd see that I specifically address the fact that many people feel differently than I do.

    I have given the courtesy of a thoughtful and detailed response to your post, rather than dropping a bomb like "you're wrong, and I feel differently than you."  You can't persuade many people to see things your way by lobbing perverbial linguistic bombs at them, but you may help someone to start to see things differently by logically explaining your position.

    If you would care to explain why our founding fathers were not great men (or whatever you position is), then I'm listening.  The only thing I have learned from your posts so far is that you don't like them, and it's not about race.

     

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      On a lighter note not to due with any persons political views because we all have them and the same goes for Religion as well.

      I saw a bumper sticker the other day on the back of a truck that said:


      God Giveth and The Government Taketh Away!

      Gave me a chuckle anway!

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        the republicans are trying take away everybody rights to do as they wish.this is a free country.

        When you say something like that you are proving two things:

        1. You have no idea what Republicans are.  Republicans stand for more freedom, not less.
        2. You think Republicans drove this bill.  Yes, Republicans did vote for it.  But so did Democrats.  Everybody is equally to blame for this idiotic bill.

        Anyone who is in their thirties or later did not grow up with the Internet when they were in grade school and high school.  These people, me included, literally had no way to get honest, truthful information, if you think about it, because the major source of information, besides their parents, were teachers, newspapers, news magazines, and TV news.  Every one of those sources of information is biased in a liberal way.

        I do not blame anyone for having underlying tendencies to think that Republicans are racist, evil, greedy people who want only to help big businesses, because people have been basically brainwashed by all of these sources of information to believe that.

        Thank God for the Internet, because there is finally a place where truthful information can finally be disseminated to people who want to learn the truth.

        Democrat is the party of liberals.  Republican is the party of conservatives.  Conservative means some basic things:

        1. Lower taxes -- keep more of the money you earn.
        2. Smaller government -- for the basics of protecting the citizens against foreign attack and creating reasonable legislation, but not for running people's lives and not for solving every problem in society.
        3. Freedom -- the God-given right to be free, and to not let others take that freedom away.

        That's really it.  Everything stems from those principles.

        I just thought I'd set the record straight, because those are the things that I believe our founders had in mind, and although Republicans do let us down from time to time, I believe they come the closest to embodying those principles.

        your right the democrats and the republicans are equally responsible for this thing.i should've worded that better because it did make me look kind of dumb.basically i was just saying that here in the last couple years the wiretaps,eavesdropping,internet monitoring,etc. have gotten more pronounced.it is a necessary evil these days because of terrorists.i can see after 9/11 the reason for these things.i was just taking my feelings out the wrong way.i think in this day and age its better to have a republican because they use more resources to protect the country than when a democrat is president.it would've been scary to think how a democratic president would've responded to 9/11.i leaned toward the democratic side of things in my younger years but now i agree more with the republican way of doing things.republicans are more steady and sure about things than the democrats.i agree more these days with republican way of doing things than i do the democrat way.the democratic party seems unstable in a lot of ways and unsure so thats not someone you would want running this country.

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          Mike, Clinton used domestic monitoring at his pleasure and got a pass for doing it ... and this was well before 9-11.  One side only points out issues of another for the purpose of hiding what they have been or are doing, so your maturing assessments of the political scene show you're paying attention.

          Have maintained that the heavily federally regulated banking industry is the steamrolling force behind this legislation because losses they "write off" are simply passed on to current consumers in the form of higher interest rates, shorter fuse for default rates to kick in and higher late fees.  Heard on the local news that some credit (cards I believe) in some states have as part of their repayment agreement the ability to levy a lien against the holder's home and force foreclosure of that home in order to secure payment.

          For anyone who plays online I wish you a successful outcome to any pending legislation.  Seems to be wait and see at this point but since it's not a done-deal call or email your senators to let them know what you want.  Many of them seem to live in an out of touch existence given recent stuck-on-stupid-immigration-legislation ...... so messages from the real world home base can't hurt a thing.  Also might remind them who's going to vote for them next time around.   

          Good luck to everyone!

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            does anyone know when this current session ends?  if and when the current session ends do they have to wait another year to do another bill?  i heard seven or eight weeks but i was wondering do they get a chance to vote on it again after the summer break is over and they come back for the november elections?

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              Posted: July 16, 2006, 5:32 pm - IP Logged

              MIKE

              I have heard that once the session is over, they have to re-draw the bill and put it through both the House and Senate again.

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                Posted: July 17, 2006, 7:22 am - IP Logged

                thanks cps10!

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                  Posted: July 17, 2006, 7:49 am - IP Logged

                  i'm wondering when the exact date is when the sessions end.is it in august or september?


                  i'm not getting my hopes up high but i do wish it will fade without being voted on......

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                    Posted: July 17, 2006, 8:00 am - IP Logged

                    BetonSports' CEO detained by US Feds
                    The online gaming sector is reeling this morning after BetonSports CEO David Carruthers was seized by The Feds in the US, while waiting to transfer onto an aircraft destined for Costa Rica, where the company's customer services centre is based.

                    Carruthers, an outspoken pro-gaming lobbyist, heads up a company that generates about 90% of its business from the US, where online gaming is considered illegal under the 1961 Wire Act.

                    BetonSports is listed in the UK - shares fell more than 20% in early trading as a reaction to the news (mirrored elsewhere in the sector - PartyGaming and Sportingbet also dropped sharply).

                    BetonSports said it is "currently seeking clarification as to the basis of the detention", though it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it is almost certainly related to his online gaming activities.

                    Worryingly for Carruthers, there is a precedent. WorldSportsExchange founder Jay Cohen was detained and spent 20 months in prison for running an online gaming operation from Antigua, a state that provided him with a gaming licence.

                    Every year in the US there are attempts at passing new legislation to prohibit betting over the internet, mobile phone, or telephone. This year isn't an exception, with the right-winger Bob Goodlatte once again making all sorts of bad noises against online gaming, which he considers "a scourge on society". Some feel that these efforts are simply about raising profiles and appealing to conservatives in election year.

                    Last week the Senate approved Goodlatte's bill to ban internet gambling by prohibiting banks and credit card companies from processing payments for online bets. It isn't law though, not yet, and the clock is ticking - the bill must be passed before lawmakers break for the campaign season. I for one don't think it will make it, not if history is anything to go by (this seems to happen every year).

                    Carruthers also thinks the bill will fail. Only last Friday he said: "We continue to believe that the likelihood of the bill passing the Senate is remote." I wonder whether his comments are connected to his detention.

                    The reason why Goodlatte has aimed his bill at the banks - rather than the operators or US citizens - is simple. US law enforcers will find it incredibly difficult to prosecute licensed operators based in regulated markets, like Antigua, or the UK for that matter.

                    "These offshore, fly-by-night Internet gambling operators are unlicensed, untaxed and unregulated and are sucking billions of dollars out of the United States," says Goodlatte, somewhat incorrectly. So why not regulate and tax then, if it is about money? After all, the US, like many other countries, has a poor record when it comes to prohibition.

                    Goodlatte has positioned himself as something of a moral stalwart. He has previously voted against implementing the Kyoto treaty and strongly opposes abortion. He has an exemplary pro-gun record, having voted on reducing the waiting time for guns from three days to one.

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                      i hope this lobbyist running his mouth doesn't backfire on all of us.

                       

                       

                      Last week Carruthers told Reuters he thought that a U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved bill to crack down on Internet gambling by banning banks and credit card companies from processing the payments was bound to fail due to the mountainous backlog of other U.S. legislation.

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                        BetonSports' CEO detained by US Feds
                        The online gaming sector is reeling this morning after BetonSports CEO David Carruthers was seized by The Feds in the US, while waiting to transfer onto an aircraft destined for Costa Rica, where the company’s customer services centre is based.

                        Carruthers, an outspoken pro-gaming lobbyist, heads up a company that generates about 90% of its business from the US, where online gaming is considered illegal under the 1961 Wire Act.

                        BetonSports is listed in the UK – shares fell more than 20% in early trading as a reaction to the news (mirrored elsewhere in the sector – PartyGaming and Sportingbet also dropped sharply).

                        BetonSports said it is “currently seeking clarification as to the basis of the detention”, though it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that it is almost certainly related to his online gaming activities.

                        Worryingly for Carruthers, there is a precedent. WorldSportsExchange founder Jay Cohen was detained and spent 20 months in prison for running an online gaming operation from Antigua, a state that provided him with a gaming licence.

                        Every year in the US there are attempts at passing new legislation to prohibit betting over the internet, mobile phone, or telephone. This year isn’t an exception, with the right-winger Bob Goodlatte once again making all sorts of bad noises against online gaming, which he considers “a scourge on society”. Some feel that these efforts are simply about raising profiles and appealing to conservatives in election year.

                        Last week the Senate approved Goodlatte’s bill to ban internet gambling by prohibiting banks and credit card companies from processing payments for online bets. It isn’t law though, not yet, and the clock is ticking – the bill must be passed before lawmakers break for the campaign season. I for one don’t think it will make it, not if history is anything to go by (this seems to happen every year).

                        Carruthers also thinks the bill will fail. Only last Friday he said: “We continue to believe that the likelihood of the bill passing the Senate is remote.” I wonder whether his comments are connected to his detention.

                        The reason why Goodlatte has aimed his bill at the banks - rather than the operators or US citizens - is simple. US law enforcers will find it incredibly difficult to prosecute licensed operators based in regulated markets, like Antigua, or the UK for that matter.

                        “These offshore, fly-by-night Internet gambling operators are unlicensed, untaxed and unregulated and are sucking billions of dollars out of the United States,” says Goodlatte, somewhat incorrectly. So why not regulate and tax then, if it is about money? After all, the US, like many other countries, has a poor record when it comes to prohibition.

                        Goodlatte has positioned himself as something of a moral stalwart. He has previously voted against implementing the Kyoto treaty and strongly opposes abortion. He has an exemplary pro-gun record, having voted on reducing the waiting time for guns from three days to one.

                        "Detention".  Interesting choice of words.  Not arrest.  Detention.

                        They have a lot more elbow room these days because of the anti-terrorist provisions for dissolving rights insured by the US Constitution.

                        Under current practice they can probably hold this guy until he dies of old age without charging him with anything.  Without even telling him why he's being held.

                        As they've already done with all those people down at Gitmo for three, four, five years.

                        Evidently the US is operating under something akin to martial law, allowing such Constitutional rights and provisions as Habeaus Corpus (and search and seizure) to be suspended for the duration. 

                        Duration of what?

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                          Posted: July 17, 2006, 8:45 am - IP Logged

                          i hope this lobbyist running his mouth doesn't backfire on all of us.

                           

                           

                          Last week Carruthers told Reuters he thought that a U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved bill to crack down on Internet gambling by banning banks and credit card companies from processing the payments was bound to fail due to the mountainous backlog of other U.S. legislation.

                          U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved bill

                           Obviously a bi-partisan effort to expand freedom and reduce the size of government.

                           bound to fail due to the mountainous backlog of other U.S. legislation.

                           That's heartening.

                          We definitely need a mountain of new laws.  Been working up a lather hiring police and building prisons just enforcing the ones we already have.

                          If there's a political party practicing what it's preaching about smaller government and more freedom for the citizenry, that party is doing a good job of hiding it. 

                          Must be figuring on lulling the 'more-government-less-freedom' party into a false sense of security, then ambushing them at some far-off future date. 

                          Catching them by surprise by suddenly voting what they spoke instead of the way they've been doing for a full long lifetime.

                          The Internet has given us the freedom to choose which brand of BS we burn onto our flesh and our brain cells.

                          Wonder if there's a political party out there somewhere that believes the US Constitution is composed of words with meaning, concepts worth preserving, instead of something to be sewn onto a flag and waved around to scare and edify the sheeple.

                          J

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                            I'm not sure the exact date, but from what I gather, I can't see it passing through this year.

                            And that is bad that he is detained for nothing...this country has really "stretched" it's interpretations of people's freedoms.

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                              Posted: July 17, 2006, 11:18 am - IP Logged

                              i hope this lobbyist running his mouth doesn't backfire on all of us.

                               

                               

                              Last week Carruthers told Reuters he thought that a U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved bill to crack down on Internet gambling by banning banks and credit card companies from processing the payments was bound to fail due to the mountainous backlog of other U.S. legislation.

                              U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved bill

                               Obviously a bi-partisan effort to expand freedom and reduce the size of government.

                               bound to fail due to the mountainous backlog of other U.S. legislation.

                               That's heartening.

                              We definitely need a mountain of new laws.  Been working up a lather hiring police and building prisons just enforcing the ones we already have.

                              If there's a political party practicing what it's preaching about smaller government and more freedom for the citizenry, that party is doing a good job of hiding it. 

                              Must be figuring on lulling the 'more-government-less-freedom' party into a false sense of security, then ambushing them at some far-off future date. 

                              Catching them by surprise by suddenly voting what they spoke instead of the way they've been doing for a full long lifetime.

                              The Internet has given us the freedom to choose which brand of BS we burn onto our flesh and our brain cells.

                              Wonder if there's a political party out there somewhere that believes the US Constitution is composed of words with meaning, concepts worth preserving, instead of something to be sewn onto a flag and waved around to scare and edify the sheeple.

                              J

                              Jack,

                              I agree with you about Republicans in the House and Senate not practicing what they preach, especially with new laws like this one, and every time they approve a new spending measure.

                              However, I am not foolish enough to think that voting them out of office is the solution.  If you think spending or restrictive laws are bad now, just imagine what they would be like if Democrats had control.

                              Also, something pretty major that gets lost in all of this is that the US economy is humming along at a record pace, thanks to the Republicans.  There has not been a single terrorist attack on US soil after 9/11, thanks to the Republicans.  Both things were achieved in the face of great opposition from the Left -- even with careless use of filibusters by the Left.

                              The fact is (and I wrote above) that BOTH parties let the people down all the time.  There are corrupt politicians on both sides, and there always will be.  It is the nature of politics.  Remember the saying, "You can tell if a politician is lying when their lips are moving"?

                              Voting the Republicans out of office because of some disagreements with some of their decisions would be disastrous for this country.  Pulling the lever for an alternative candidate, like a Libertarian candidate, is also disastrous, because if enough people do it, the Ross Perot effect kicks in.  (Bill Clinton got elected twice, despite the fact that more people voted against him than for him -- both times.)

                               

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