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Frist continues crusade against Internet gambling

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Posted: September 14, 2006, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

JAP 69 is right.when its all said and done this bastard is going to get this passed one way or the other.look for a bill to be voted on by the middle of next week.by next friday or so you might no longer have internet gambling as an option for all americans to enjoy.good night all..........

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    This reminds me of the case of Ralph Reed - the "religious right" leader - who "opposed" gambling casinos because he was being paid by the convicted felon Jack Abrahamoff who was a lobbyist for Indian casinos.  It turns out that Reed's "opposition" to gambling was really a front for trying to keep the Indian casinos from facing competition.  There were no moral issues.  It was all about being paid off.

    The bribery checks were flying fast and furious.  Let's be sure that Frist doesn't do anything for his country.  Everything he does is because someone is paying him off.

    The United States has never seen the level of corruption it is seeing now.  We think we're invincible, but because of this kind of person, we are quite nearly bankrupt.

    If I win the lottery I'm taking my money and investing it in overseas securities, as quickly as is possible.  Then I'm going to try to get my family out of the country before my kids are sent off to die for Halliburton. 

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      Here in Florida, state house seat pays $35,000. a year for two years, candiate puts up $85,000. of his own money toward over $200,000. campain fund to win it.  Can anyone explain the math?  BobP

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        Posted: September 15, 2006, 11:47 am - IP Logged
        Last night on Nightline there was a segment about internet gambling.  It seems to boil down to due to racketeering laws passed against gambling across state lines, companies doing business offshore are not registered in the US to conduct business because it's illegal, therefore not collecting/paying taxes, either corporate or personal.
        Coupled with banking pushing for this law, makes sense and is logical although many don't like it.

        Good luck to everyone!

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          Posted: September 15, 2006, 2:50 pm - IP Logged

          my child saw this when i was looking at a story on internet gamblin.i already have an intense dislike for this bastard and then i see him attack elmo.that didn't help matters....

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            Posted: September 15, 2006, 2:54 pm - IP Logged

            According to CongressDailyAM, one of the publications staff, members, and lobbyists read every morning on Capitol Hill, negotiations on the DoD Authorization conference report are still underway.

            The leaders of the two committees failed to wrap up conference negotiations on the defense authorization bill Thursday, as members had initially intended. House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Subcommittee Chairman Curt Weldon, R-Pa., said members still have to complete work on a handful of issues and would not file the conference report until next week.

            Since members go out of town on weekends to return to their districts & campaign, it seems to me that failure to complete the report Thursday night means it will now be completed no earlier than Monday night, and probably maybe even a little later than that. Staff will probably work through the weekend on it, but they are not making the high-profile decisions on outstanding items that members can make. Staff might be negotiating the gambling language, but only members can ultimately decide whether it gets inserted or not. Members won't be back in DC until Monday evening -- that's the general trend, anyhow.

            So, what's the impact for Internet gambling?

            Well, every day that goes by that the conference report remains "open" is another day that Frist & Co will have time to try to insert the Leach bill. In that sense, delay is a bad thing. It seems clear to me that the DoD Authorization has sufficient momentum to pass, and that it will get a very brief amount of floor time needed to get through. The only question is what goes into the bill, if anything.

            Here are some things you need to know about Conference reports: 

            1.) Conference reports are not amendable, and that there is no comment period or whatever. The conferees and leadership decide what to put in them, whether it is germane or not, and put it in. Then they file the report and can have a vote on it within hours of filing.

            2.) Conference reports CAN be held just like normal bills. I'll repeat that for emphasis. Holds CAN be lodged on these conference reports. That said, Senators are usually much more reluctant to hold a conference report than they are a regular bill -- all the more so when the main part of that report deals with the military, pay raises for troops, and national security. On top of that, Leadership is MUCH more prone to use tools to overcome holds on major conference reports, meaning that even if people put holds down, leadership in the Senate could probably beat those holds by filing for and attaining 60 votes on a cloture petition. Cloture is time consuming, but necessary in these cases.

            3.) People are probably not going to have the chance to preview the language... it will be negotiated until the dying end between a select few staffers and members, plus well connected lobbyists. You can try to call the relevant Senators/Congressman's offices to ask, but I'll bet a ton you won't get anywhere with such requests... still, from a pressure standpoint it wouldn't be a bad idea to blitz those offices with requests.

            4.) I spoke with staff for two of the west coast members who are conferees, and they have indicated to me that efforts are alive and well to attach not only the Internet gambling provisions, but also an abortion bill as well (has to do with transporting minors across state lines) to the DoD Authorization conference report. Apparently the word among staff is that the Armed Services Committees on both sides of the Hill are 100% objecting to including any extraneous subject matter. Now, how much of that is posturing and how much is a real objection is anyone's guess. Plus, the Armed Services guys could EASILY get rolled by leadership and get forced to include either or both of those extraneous bills. Nonetheless, those opposing the bill should be heartened to hear this.

            5.) Contacts suggested to me that the conference report will likely be wrapped up Monday or Tuesday, and voted on in the House 24 hours after that. At about that time, the content of the report would become publicly available on the House Rules Committee's website. That will be our first look at the language, unless Berge or ChrisAJ or some other insider succeeds in getting it before then. The House is expected to pass the bill no matter what it includes, since the House is rather authoritarian in its procedural rules, and there are no holds or other mechanisms to block things from moving. From there, the bill would move to the Senate, where a number of things could happen. I will not speculate on what would happen in the Senate at this point, as I don't think we know enough to make an intelligent guess.

            6.) The substance of what I now understand to be Frist's proposal would be a significant setback for online gambling, as I think it would kill IGMPay transfers, and may also block Neteller and FirePay type devices. Not to be alarmist, but you all need to be very concerned about the impact that proposal would have on the poker economy -- if I understand it correctly. More details to come, and obviously I reserve final judgment until I see the language that gets included, IF any language is in fact attacked.

            Look for some news updates later today and through the weekend -- but the rubber will really meet the road during the 36 hour period between Monday at noon and Tuesday night. 

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              Posted: September 15, 2006, 3:11 pm - IP Logged

              What?Who wrote this Mike?

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                  Posted: September 15, 2006, 3:47 pm - IP Logged

                  So, this guy gets his info from http://nationaljournal.com/about/congressdaily/ which report on what's happening in congress twice daily with behind the scene stuff in the p.m.  Good link.

                  takeemtothebank

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                    Posted: September 15, 2006, 4:20 pm - IP Logged

                    This reminds me of the case of Ralph Reed - the "religious right" leader - who "opposed" gambling casinos because he was being paid by the convicted felon Jack Abrahamoff who was a lobbyist for Indian casinos.  It turns out that Reed's "opposition" to gambling was really a front for trying to keep the Indian casinos from facing competition.  There were no moral issues.  It was all about being paid off.

                    The bribery checks were flying fast and furious.  Let's be sure that Frist doesn't do anything for his country.  Everything he does is because someone is paying him off.

                    The United States has never seen the level of corruption it is seeing now.  We think we're invincible, but because of this kind of person, we are quite nearly bankrupt.

                    If I win the lottery I'm taking my money and investing it in overseas securities, as quickly as is possible.  Then I'm going to try to get my family out of the country before my kids are sent off to die for Halliburton. 

                    How true...very well said. Time to get the Charmin Ultra Double Rolls out and wipe the fecal matter away and flush the whole mess down the toilet.

                    Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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                      Posted: September 16, 2006, 1:39 am - IP Logged

                      this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?

                      i've read on the internet where various senators were pissed and don't want this attached to the bill.do you think this frist idiot cares.hell no he doesn't.i think he would sell his mother to get something passed against internet gambling.he's got it that bad.pretty bad when you can't pass a bill normally.he has stooped down to backdoor tactics and using the military. his fanbase is a bunch of religious rich uptight conservative morons who want to see the world peachy clear.i'll vote for a guilianai or mccain but even though frist is from my state i don't feel any kinship whatsoever and would never vote him in as president.my seventy eight year old neighbor might but i wouldn't.i don't like the fact that laws are being passed by these morons and they are trying to overide the senate or try cutthroat tactics so i'll have my rights invaded or have them taken from me.tap somebody elses phones and take away their god given rights to do what they want in their homes all in the name of terrorism.pardon me but some of us americans know thats B.S.

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                        this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?

                        i've read on the internet where various senators were pissed and don't want this attached to the bill.do you think this frist idiot cares.hell no he doesn't.i think he would sell his mother to get something passed against internet gambling.he's got it that bad.pretty bad when you can't pass a bill normally.he has stooped down to backdoor tactics and using the military. his fanbase is a bunch of religious rich uptight conservative morons who want to see the world peachy clear.i'll vote for a guilianai or mccain but even though frist is from my state i don't feel any kinship whatsoever and would never vote him in as president.my seventy eight year old neighbor might but i wouldn't.i don't like the fact that laws are being passed by these morons and they are trying to overide the senate or try cutthroat tactics so i'll have my rights invaded or have them taken from me.tap somebody elses phones and take away their god given rights to do what they want in their homes all in the name of terrorism.pardon me but some of us americans know thats B.S.

                        this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?"

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                        It has nothing to do with it .... but I've been incensed many times in the past when stupid legislation and pork Democrats stealthily attached to other bills and voted on in the middle of the night have become law.  So if it passes I suppose people are going to have to adapt.  That's the way Washington works like it or not. 

                        Good luck to everyone!

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                          Posted: September 16, 2006, 1:45 pm - IP Logged

                          this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?"

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                          It has nothing to do with it .... but I've been incensed many times in the past when stupid legislation and pork Democrats stealthily attached to other bills and voted on in the middle of the night have become law.  So if it passes I suppose people are going to have to adapt.  That's the way Washington works like it or not. 

                          Republicians are just as bad.

                          takeemtothebank

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                            Republicians are just as bad.

                            We need to have a coast to coast pork roasting Big Grin  ............. I'll get the charcoal and someone else do the sauces!!

                            Good luck to everyone!

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                              Posted: September 16, 2006, 2:23 pm - IP Logged

                              Republicians are just as bad.

                              I agree "bad", but not "just as bad".  There is something called "the lesser of two evils."

                               

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