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Posted: September 27, 2006, 1:42 pm - IP Logged

I am still here.... I want to thak everyone for sharing their thoughts on the sentence.... I am printing all of them to read the night before the sentencing hearing..... Keep the opinions coming.... there is no right or wrong opinion.... and it helps to know how others think....

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    If the guy is convicted of a felony - of theft - that could very much do enough damage that he learns from it, and hopefully it gets enough PR that others see it also.   It's a bit harder to get a job with a theft felony found in your background check.  But that was his choice, not yours.   But for him to continue to deny it tells me if he gets away with it, he will try something else to someone else.  I'm thinking most folks that make mistakes in their lives admit them and move on.  This guy isn't.

     

    He may have a clean record prior to this, all that tells me is he hasn't been caught - until now.

     

    Five years may be a bit much, IMO, but you just have to see what others get for the same crime. He may be sentenced to 5 years, but be out in 1-2.   If it is such a concern, see if you can talk to the prosecutor and tell him/her you would like to see a 5 year sentence, but out in 1-2 as some sort of an agreement.

    You just need to remember, YOU were wronged, you put a lot of money into the lottery over the years, you have no doubt dreamt of winning just like the rest of us, and you were almost robbed.

     

    Like you, I kinda have a problem with prisons holding non-violent criminals for so long. They need to do something, I'm not sure of the most cost-effective thing to do. 

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      I have to throw this into this thread:

      If people posting here were to learn of someone embezzling half a million dollars from their workplace, how would they feel about the person who did that? 

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        Posted: September 27, 2006, 4:19 pm - IP Logged

        I am still here.... I want to thak everyone for sharing their thoughts on the sentence.... I am printing all of them to read the night before the sentencing hearing..... Keep the opinions coming.... there is no right or wrong opinion.... and it helps to know how others think....

        Bob

        I have been robbed twice.  The person or persons who did it are still out there.  I have a nightly fear they might return since my house must have seemed like easy pickings to them.

        I have installed motion sensors all over my yard.  I check the batteries every week end.  I test the system every month.

        These people did not steal my lathe, my table saw, my bandsaw, and my riding mower; they stole a part of my life.  I had to give up many hours of my life to earn the money to buy those things.

        This clerk tried to rob you of a part of your life.  Perhaps your situation is not as acute as my situation but, nevertheless, he robbed a part of your life. 

        The prison system might turn him into a more ruthless person but then again it may set him on the straight and narrow.  Prisons are what criminals make of it; not what you think it is.  If this guy goes on to more violent crimes, it will not be because prison made him tougher but that he did not take the opportunity to find another path.  Let the prosecutor do what he things best and support the prosecutor. 

        If I ever have the chance to open my mouth at the trial of the people who robbed me, I will follow the prosecutor's lead.

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          Posted: September 27, 2006, 4:32 pm - IP Logged

          I have to throw this into this thread:

          If people posting here were to learn of someone embezzling half a million dollars from their workplace, how would they feel about the person who did that? 

          Ask anyone that worked at Enron or MCI.

           

          And I concur with GMG: to have something like this happen changes you: you don't trust people as much as you did, not with lottery tickets, not with anything.  It changes you.  They don't care.  They would do it again if given a chance.   You really have to wonder how many 'small dollar' tickets he swapped.   Maybe none, maybe several, you don't know.   It still bothers me the guy won't admit to anything. 

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            Coin Toss - I agree totally.  Guesser, GasMeterGuy -  I also agree.  I added this post to write that Unfortunately I've been the victim of more than one crime.  Although I know little about the court system, I spoke at a sentencing hearing for the defendant of a violent act and followed the advice of the Victim's Witness Advocate. I lived in MA but probably all states follow similar procedures. 

            When the prosecutor has a case, it is the State against the Defendant. The judge must go by certain guidelines when sentencing.  The victim's impact statement is mainly the right of the victim to ventilate anger and to describe the effect the crime had on his life.  In your case, Bob, it doesn't sound as if your life was seriously damaged. Guesser brought up Enron. There were many people at that sentencing hearing, but in my opinion it really has little effect on the total number of years. At that point the judge and/or jury has already heard all the facts, seen all the evidence and made a decision.

            If what you are struggling with is how to express your feelings, I'd just tell the truth. On a personal note, 20 years later I get upset because I didn't fight harder. Why? I did something very stupid and trusted someone.  I agreed with the prosecutor to drop some of the charges and accept a plea. Of course Sam didn't physically assault you, so it's entirely different, but I really do understand that "feeling sorry for the guy" attitude because we sometimes tend to feel guilty about our lives being more fortunate. Guesser makes a valid point when he mentions the other possible thefts.  How many little old ladies on social security did he cheat out of $50? One thing that will hurt him is that he could have said "I made a mistake. I lost my head in a moment of shock" but he lied to the lottery's investigator.  No matter what you say, he'll still serve time. 

            By the way, I am sorry you were offended when I questioned who you are. I still don't know if you are Bob.  I mean, do you really know that I'm a woman in Florida? I'll take a bet that Todd is Todd. Everyone else is sort of a gamble.

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              Posted: September 27, 2006, 6:36 pm - IP Logged

              "I'll take a bet that Todd is Todd." LOL  For better or for worse, eh?  Big Grin

               

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                Posted: September 27, 2006, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

                They told me that I will also be on the show... I am the guy from Camarillo tha the clerk switched tickets with and tried to claim my $530,000 winnings.... He just pled guilty the other day and is looking at 5 1/2 years in prison... I have a problem with the sentence..I will get to that later...

                I still have all of my winnings... Put in a 6 month CD so I could think about how to invest it.... I think the problem with winners who wasted all their money comes down to one fact... They have never had money so they have no clue as to how fast it can disappear... Think of it this way.... How fast can you spend a thousand dollars? pretty fast.... A million dollars is one thousand... thousand dollar bills..... they want a new car.... they don't shop for price as they would have done before... they get all the options..... there goes 50 thousand dolar bills....950 left..... buy a house..... 500 thousand dollar bills (or more) they have 450 left.... furnish the house..you have to have new furnature in a new house.....theater room etc.... 100 thousand dollar bills.... you have 350 left.... Party for the friends.... 10 thousand dollar bills.... 340 left.... Vacation.... 25 thousand dollar bills.... 315 left... and so on till its all gone....

                I feel sorry for them but I am sure that they were given advice and did not pay any attention to it....

                 

                As far as the 5 1/2 years in prison....I am troubled with the sentence.... Our system allows me as the "Victim" to make a statement at the sentencing hearing; it sounds easy doesn't it?  Many questions go through your mind; it’s not as easy as…. He did it. Lock him up. I find myself wondering if it is right to send a first time NON VIOLENT offender to prison. We all know from watching investigative reports and documentaries that the first thing he will need to learn upon entering our prison system is how to be VIOLENT so he can SURVIVE? This is in fact true... Yet we as a society justify it by claiming they are getting what they deserve. We speak for today, forgetting that someday this person, now DAMAGED by the time he spent in prison, who has learned to settle disputes with VIOLENCE, will someday be released and move back into our community; is that what we really want? How do you balance the need to punish with the true goal of rehabilitation? Will 5 ½ years in prison work any better than a year in jail and an extended period of time on formal probation? I have no clue… but I do have reservations about sending him to prison. My statement to the Court might not carry any weight… his fate may be sealed by law… I could remain silent and let the chips lay where they fall… living with my feelings that it is wrong. I am torn… Tomorrow everyone will forget this man and what happened to him, but I will always remember him…. What do I do?

                Speak you peace but remember that you did prevail in the end by getting your well deserved winnings. Show mercy. You'll feel better and open yourself up to the good around you instead of the negative. Always be kind. The person who shafted you will pay for his crime and should but you can afford to be kind and merciful and this will allow you to let it all go and move on to better and more positive things. Good luck and congratulations to you!!

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                  Posted: September 27, 2006, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

                  I saw this news on TV.  My first thought at that time was: who, what, how , and where was the ticket stolen?  I didn't realize, the clerk did it by switching tickets.

                  Bob21456, congratulations on your win. 

                  In an earlier post, you seem very concerned about the 5 and 1/2 yr prison term for this kind of non-violent crime.  I, too have a problem with the prison system.  They don't really do much to rehabilitate the individual, I believe.  But what would be an alternative?  Until we have a better rehabilitation system, we're stuck with it.  Any thoughts?  I've been concerned about this subject for a long time now.

                  I  think the trouble your having is that you dont feel you got robbed, it feels like someone found something you dropped unkowingly, and now that its back in your hands, there was really no sense of loss...I also tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, the old no harm no foul rule,,,,your stuggling with this because you never felt like a victim, maybe? 

                  But he did steal, and he got caught (you never would have known eitherif the lottery commision just gave the guy with the ticket the money.) and with that comes the outcome that ran through his head the moment he pulled the switch on you......the jails are full, 5 1/2 gives him 2 maybe out in 1 with good behavior....so the next time that thought of "what if I get caught" comes through his head he might just do the right thing...

                  good luck to you sir!

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                    Posted: September 27, 2006, 9:12 pm - IP Logged

                    Just a reminder that it is on now.

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                      Posted: September 27, 2006, 11:54 pm - IP Logged

                      Nobody here can speculate on what thoughts are going through someones' mind as a victim unless it's happened to you.

                       

                      Have you ever had your house burglarized when you were away, have you ever had your car broken into ?

                       

                      It might not be so much that someone feels they were 'robbed', it's the fact that you lose a little more trust in people, you look at people differently, it changes you: 'I used to have a stereo like that', 'I used to have that CD',  'I used to have a car like that', and it digs at you.

                      Yes, Bob got his money, yes a crook is charged with a crime, nobody got 'hurt', but the fact still remains, a crime of trust (or lack thereof) occurred.  To basically say 'be light on the crook - he has no record' doesn't hold a whole lot of weight - how many of you have driven when drunk, and made it home OK ?     And you are going to tell me this guy made a FIRST-EVER snap-judgement to do that with a ticket ?    

                      We will never know, but the facts are, he did it, and the more worriesome thing is he still denies it.   THAT in itself is bothersome to me.  

                      If the guy had any kind of morals, at this point, he'd admit what he did, apologize, and say he is prepared for whatever penalties are forthcoming.

                       

                      I'm done now, thanks. 

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                        I watched the show last night and sit there shaking my head at some of the sad stories...

                        Bob, I'm glad you got your money. Let the system take care of the thief.

                        After viewing the stories on David Edwards and Bud Post, I stand by my original statement that stupid is as stupid does, with or without money.

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                          Posted: September 28, 2006, 2:15 pm - IP Logged

                          Dammmmmm I look bad on TV.... Glad they used a lot of shots of my wife... After seeing that I am sorry ABC News is coming today for another interview.... AHHHH.... Keep the opinions coming.... They help a lot..... Bob

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                            Dammmmmm I look bad on TV.... Glad they used a lot of shots of my wife... After seeing that I am sorry ABC News is coming today for another interview.... AHHHH.... Keep the opinions coming.... They help a lot..... Bob

                            Bob, please don't take this as a criticism, just a curiosity.  Why are you going to be on ABC news?  Many people who have won over $100 million haven't had as much publicity and you seem to be inviting it, even posted closeup & personal photos on a board along with your email address.  After all it is a choice.

                            BTW, since you are one of the few lucky members here and have admitted you don't even know what you're doing to do with the money you won, why not say "thanks" by contributing that small Platinum membership fee which is a less than 2 day's interest on $350K at 5%

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                              Bob, please don't take this as a criticism, just a curiosity.  Why are you going to be on ABC news?  Many people who have won over $100 million haven't had as much publicity and you seem to be inviting it, even posted closeup & personal photos on a board along with your email address.  After all it is a choice.

                              BTW, since you are one of the few lucky members here and have admitted you don't even know what you're doing to do with the money you won, why not say "thanks" by contributing that small Platinum membership fee which is a less than 2 day's interest on $350K at 5%

                              Because it is important for everyone to know what happened so it will not happen to them... Michael Finney is the consumer reporter for ABC news in San Francisco... He told me that the story did not get much news coverage in that area and he wants the people to know... besides that he spoke of proposing legislation that would require all lottery retailers to install video cameras that would be used to varify the purchaser of winning lottery tickets.... Not all retailers have video cameras.... How would I have been found without the camera... I think that would be a great Idea....

                               

                              As far as platinum member..... I will stick with what I have for now.... maybe later