Calif. Lottery misprint leaves 'winners' with nothing
October 30, 2003
|Posted: December 13, 2006, 2:48 pm - IP Logged|
I'm sure some of the people holding what appears to be winning tickets will get legal representation anyway...
Hey, that reminds me :
What do you call 3 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean ? A good start.
What's brown and black and looks good on a lawyer ? A doberman.
Why will sharks not eat lawyers ? They don't eat their own.
This is tongue in cheek , so please don't sue me !!! LOL
The Carolinas - Charlotte
September 12, 2005
|Posted: December 13, 2006, 2:55 pm - IP Logged|
Those are good DD...how about:
What's the difference between a sadist and a lawyer?
A lawyer has a nicer office.
- an offshoot from a joke on Seinfeld.
The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:
January 23, 2005
|Posted: December 13, 2006, 9:30 pm - IP Logged|
1. Don't count your money (especially on scratch-offs) until you are given a check.
2. Does anyone have a copy of the actual misprinted ticket? I have a program that can show how many words you got. I'd love to see what it looks like onscreen.
3. If anyone wants this program I will share it. All it does is to double-check your Crossword tickets (most states) by entering the info in 2 text files, and it puts up a window showing a simulation of the game ticket with the letters highlighted.
4. I don't quite get the idea of the letters "not matching underneath". There are not any other letters underneath the scratch layer. It's shaded and when you scratch it's white (shading removed). It would be like putting bingo chips on the wrong numbers. I don't know how they actually print these but don't be too quick to blame the press operator. It would sound like either the entire lower board (puzzle) was the wrong one intended OR (more likely) the set of available letters (top area) was incorrect. All you would need is maybe one "wrong" letter that is needed several places and you'd have several more words.
The "winners" who got bad tickets should be given consolation prizes and entry into a contest where one of them would win a much larger prize (if they waive legal action). Use money from unclaimed jackpots.
January 23, 2005
|Posted: December 13, 2006, 10:00 pm - IP Logged|
CORRECTION: I found a video on abcnews of the actual story, and they were showing the mismatched layers. Maybe the shading is an illusion and the letters underneath are normally an exact match. They layered the wrong latex and so when a letter was scratched in the puzzle layer a different one was underneath. STILL this raises a bigger question: If you see words change to "GLEEP" and "TOOM" etc. right before your eyes would you not be A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS that the ticket is flawed? I'd have called Lottery HQ and reported it immediately.
It is interesting that the wrong words lined up exactly? in their layout, that is, I don't see anyplace where a scratched letter changed to a solid black square.
December 20, 2005
|Posted: December 14, 2006, 12:03 am - IP Logged|
Sooner or later we will see
some lawyers involved,this
is so upsetting!
Smart bets...... Equal Phat Pocket$!
October 16, 2005
|Posted: December 14, 2006, 1:02 pm - IP Logged|
Thank you DD and yes, good point CT...if Floyd had one of those tix, no doubt he'd be up in arms.
Bummed out? Absolutely. PO'ed? Maybe. Up in arms? No.
There's no question that it would be really disappointing to think you've won a substantial amount of money and then find out it's a mistake, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to something. The rules are clear about the lottery's liability for misprinted tickets, and there's no question that the tickets we're talking about were misprinted. None of the people were unfairly denied a prize they were entitled to for a winning ticket. They had losing tickets. That the losing tickets looked like winners because of the misprint is disappointing, but that's all it is.Life is full of disappointments and you don't deserve some sort of compensation just because something is disappointing.
October 16, 2005
|Posted: December 14, 2006, 1:08 pm - IP Logged|
Whiny cry babies? Nobodies whining or crying. Merely pointing out that CSL seems to be an extremely unprofessional operation. Im sorry but 11,000 misprinted tickets is WELL beyond any sort of reasonable printing error rate. Heck, they didn't even compensate the lady for her travel time or gas money to get to the claim center. Ya know why? Because all the lottery really cares about in the end is taking your stupid money.
PS Hope it dont happen to you, but ya never know.
A bunch of people are whining and crying. Oh, boo hoo! I thought I won so I should win.
Sorry, but life doesn't work that way.
As far as the error rate in printing the tickets, that's determined by the ratio of bad tickets to good tickets, not how many bad tickets they printed. Somewhere in the setup process the error was introduced, and once the problem happened it was going to happen to the entire run of tickets printed from that setup, whether it was 1, 10, or a million. Those 11,000 tickets probably don't represent more than 1% of the tickets for that game, which would mean an error rate of nomore than 1% for that one game. With dozens of games, this one batch of bad tickets indicates an error rate of 0.1%. If you only screw up once for every thousand things you do you're doing pretty well.Why the problem wasn't discovered sooner is a different matter. Since the error is apparently obvious, it seems that the quality control process somehow failed to check any tickets from that entire batch. The problem isn't with the printing. The problem is in the review process.
October 16, 2005
|Posted: December 14, 2006, 1:13 pm - IP Logged|
Regardless of what the California lottery can legally do to cover their butts, what they seem not to realize in this case is:
1. Something like this convinces the public, the lottery players that the house rule is "Never give a sucker an even break"
2. What they're going to save but not honroing the misprinted tickets is very likelt going to cost them many times that in regard to the scratcher sales over the next few weeks.
People will thins why bother, when you think you've got a winner you don't even win, it's a rip off.
Let's say there was a network of poker machines with a progressive jackpot (this actually happened in Las Vegas - but not a casino, a group of bars) but these machines were programmed never to hit a royal flush.
Once word got out, guess how much play those machines are going to get.
What should happen is people should boycott the California lottery scratchers all together for awhile, but the lottery know that will never happen.
We've had discussions here on LP about how big would a matrix have to get for you not to play and peole have actually said they'd play no matter what. The lottery commissions know that all too well.
In the case of these crossword scratchers I think the CSL should give the people who bought them something, maybe $100, maybe more or less, but something. Even if they paid the top prize, in the grand scheme of things that's just chump change to the lottery.
"Well, we saved $$$$$$ by not paying those misprinted crossword tickets"
"Oh, you did? I think that's a bit off because we haven't sold a $3 scratcher since that happened, genius."
The above is "once upon a time", I know, but still....
The article says that 4000 of them may have been sold, so at $20,000 each that's $80 million in imaginary prizes. What they lose in future ticket sales will be a drop in the bucket compared to what it would cost them to pay for the bad tickets.
If you want to boycott the California lottery because some tickets were misprinted that's certainly your right, but most of the the sheeple, including the ones who bought what they thought was a winning ticket, will be back in line right away, hoping they'll be one of the people who wins despite the odds against it. Offering a modest payment as an apology would be a nice gesture, and probably a good business/financial strategy. Making full payment on all of the bad tickets would be just as stupid as counting on lottery tickets as your retirment plan.
March 24, 2001
|Posted: December 14, 2006, 8:09 pm - IP Logged|
I read in another story that even the winning tickets were misprinted and the only way to tell if they were a winner was to check their bar code which means some of the winning tickets could be discarded if players don't check their losing tickets at the retailers. The California lottery has said it will pay up if the winners are confirmed by the bar code on the bottom of the ticket--regardless of the misprint on the scratcher layer.
* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *
January 23, 2005
|Posted: December 14, 2006, 9:34 pm - IP Logged|
California, LISTEN UP!
REDESIGN your scratch-off tickets, the ones like Crossword where you mark off letters or numbers in that manner, with scratch tickets which are shaded over and the player would remove just the blue shading.
If you are playing a ticket and ANYTHING looks abnormal like different letters appearing, report it to Lottery HQ, that way you are also helping other people not to get tricked.