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Tenn. Lottery players complaining over switch from numbered balls

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Posted: August 10, 2007, 11:14 am - IP Logged

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    I accept as a fact that there exists a big difference between ball drawn and computer picked.

    I have been tracking several states which have either one or the other and I can see from my data, my patterns, that RNG is much more random than ball drawn.  While my "proof" will not measure up to the "smoking gun" concept, what I see has me completely convinced a difference exists. 

    I am not attempting to convince anyone else, tho.  What anyone chooses to believe is their business.  I just hate the fact I have to go back to day one with the Tennessee Lotto.  If Kentucky had a P5 game, I would play up there for while.  Instead, I am switching to Powerball.

Excellent post.

How about looking at the differences from a different angle though?

Perhaps it is the ball drawings that are more random, with natural patterns that are the beauty of randomness in nature.  Perhaps it is the computer that is falsely eliminating any type of natural patterns.  Or for very poor RNGs, it has a bad sequence of numbers.

That's right, low-end RNGs, which have been used at some state lotteries (that's a fact), consist of a finite number of number sequences that appear to be random, but as you now know, are not really random.

 

Check the State Lottery Report Card
What grade did your lottery earn?

 

Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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    Posted: August 11, 2007, 8:00 pm - IP Logged

    Since Tenn went "RNG" (2 weeks ago)  there has been "NO DOUBLES" drawn in any of the Pick 3 or pick 4 draws. This is random????  It's very rare for a pick 4 game to go even 5 days without a double in it. Wonder how long it'll take'em to realize it?

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      Posted: August 11, 2007, 8:39 pm - IP Logged

      Since Tenn went "RNG" (2 weeks ago)  there has been "NO DOUBLES" drawn in any of the Pick 3 or pick 4 draws. This is random????  It's very rare for a pick 4 game to go even 5 days without a double in it. Wonder how long it'll take'em to realize it?

      actually someone else told me that and they were trying to win it before the lottery realized it and changed it so doubles will start showing up. when they read your post they will find a way to get the computer to change it up and toss in some doubles so no one will have a chance to predict it and win.

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        Posted: August 12, 2007, 2:21 am - IP Logged

        actually someone else told me that and they were trying to win it before the lottery realized it and changed it so doubles will start showing up. when they read your post they will find a way to get the computer to change it up and toss in some doubles so no one will have a chance to predict it and win.

         "when they read your post they will find a way to get the computer to change it up"   if you really believe what you said, that alone should be enough to tell you and your someone else, it's not random, and is, human controlled or influenced. This just adds to the reasons not to play RNG draws.  But if you or your someone else must play, don't try to push blame on a "post" as to why you lose. Your playing a stacked game.

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          Posted: August 15, 2007, 10:52 am - IP Logged

           "when they read your post they will find a way to get the computer to change it up"   if you really believe what you said, that alone should be enough to tell you and your someone else, it's not random, and is, human controlled or influenced. This just adds to the reasons not to play RNG draws.  But if you or your someone else must play, don't try to push blame on a "post" as to why you lose. Your playing a stacked game.

          doesn't look like they read the posts here. I have sent them a email asking if they were having a computer problem and if that was the reason no double has fell in any draw since they went to RNG.

          I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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            Posted: August 15, 2007, 11:05 am - IP Logged

            doesn't look like they read the posts here. I have sent them a email asking if they were having a computer problem and if that was the reason no double has fell in any draw since they went to RNG.

            By the way, here is a copy of the email I sent them. I hope I get a reply since I never got a reply back when they first announced that they were changing the lottery format. If I get a reply I will post it.

             

             

            I would like to know if there is a problem with the computer that draws the lottery numbers? Every since you(Tennessee Lottery) have switched the way the numbers are chosen there hasn't been a double digit come out in ANY draw. I know that the drawings are supposed to be random but it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days.

            I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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              Posted: August 15, 2007, 2:20 pm - IP Logged

              What other states have computerized drawings.

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                Posted: August 15, 2007, 2:36 pm - IP Logged

                If you click on RESULTS -- then State Lottery Report Card you will see the states with computerized drawings.

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                  Posted: August 15, 2007, 5:56 pm - IP Logged

                   "when they read your post they will find a way to get the computer to change it up"   if you really believe what you said, that alone should be enough to tell you and your someone else, it's not random, and is, human controlled or influenced. This just adds to the reasons not to play RNG draws.  But if you or your someone else must play, don't try to push blame on a "post" as to why you lose. Your playing a stacked game.

                  i wasnt blaming your post for anyone losing the lottery toadschmode i was agreeing with you that rng is not random and i thought they would show how fixed it is by having some doubles suddenly drop out of nowhere but i guess they still havent fallen. if you go back over my other posts from the past you will see im against rng and i never wanted tennessee to get it.

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                    Posted: August 15, 2007, 6:39 pm - IP Logged

                    By the way, here is a copy of the email I sent them. I hope I get a reply since I never got a reply back when they first announced that they were changing the lottery format. If I get a reply I will post it.

                     

                     

                    I would like to know if there is a problem with the computer that draws the lottery numbers? Every since you(Tennessee Lottery) have switched the way the numbers are chosen there hasn't been a double digit come out in ANY draw. I know that the drawings are supposed to be random but it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days.

                    "it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days."

                    Aw so that's what they meant about "an exciting new way to draw". Has anybody in Tennessee wrote a letter to the editor of a newspaper explaining the integrity of the draws might be questioned because player can't see the live mechanics of their draw?

                    After 18 draws without a double, a follow-up "I told you so" letter to the editor could have been written. And when the doubles start showing a "I rest my case" letter could be sent.

                    States have always used RNGs to distribute QPs but that has no affect on numbers being drawn from a keno/bingo ball style of machine. All the state lotteries know exactly what's being bet on any combination and that should be reason enough to have live ball machine drawings. It's not about having to see the live draw everyday, just knowing draw is above reproach.

                    We're always reading or hearing about players being underpaid by clerks or how certain areas of some states have more jackpot winners than others. Why a state lottery would want to switch to a drawing style that invites more questions about cheating is beyond me.

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                      Posted: August 15, 2007, 11:42 pm - IP Logged

                      Hey people, wake-up and smell the MONEY! Yes, I said Money! The states that have RNG drawings are able to keep more of the money from all the suckers that play their RNG games! Yes, I said suckers. Face it people, if you have less winners in the state run RNG games, the state KEEPS more of the money bet in those games! RNG lottery machines were invented for the sole purpose of generating more revenue for the state run lotteries!

                      If at all possible those of you who used to play the pick3 and pick4 ball drawn games and won on some what of a regular cycle, I'm glad for you. But now your state went to a RNG machine, stop playing the pick3 and 4 games and tell everyone you know not to play and watch the state see it's revenue decline. No one likes to play a game that doesn't pay back the player to some degree (some wins are better than no wins for long stretches).

                      Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true! Thumbs Up

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                        "it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days."

                        Aw so that's what they meant about "an exciting new way to draw". Has anybody in Tennessee wrote a letter to the editor of a newspaper explaining the integrity of the draws might be questioned because player can't see the live mechanics of their draw?

                        After 18 draws without a double, a follow-up "I told you so" letter to the editor could have been written. And when the doubles start showing a "I rest my case" letter could be sent.

                        States have always used RNGs to distribute QPs but that has no affect on numbers being drawn from a keno/bingo ball style of machine. All the state lotteries know exactly what's being bet on any combination and that should be reason enough to have live ball machine drawings. It's not about having to see the live draw everyday, just knowing draw is above reproach.

                        We're always reading or hearing about players being underpaid by clerks or how certain areas of some states have more jackpot winners than others. Why a state lottery would want to switch to a drawing style that invites more questions about cheating is beyond me.

                        Here is the TN lottery's response to my email.

                         

                        Thank you for playing the Tennessee Lottery and for your comments.
                        The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings. The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.
                        For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected. Additionally, numbers selected in any one drawing has no relationship to a future or past drawing, since each drawing is a unique, separate and distinct occurrence.
                        We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn.

                        I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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                          Here is the TN lottery's response to my email.

                           

                          Thank you for playing the Tennessee Lottery and for your comments.
                          The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings. The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.
                          For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected. Additionally, numbers selected in any one drawing has no relationship to a future or past drawing, since each drawing is a unique, separate and distinct occurrence.
                          We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn.

                          "The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings."

                          The best way of insuring integrity is to have a live draw the players can see. They are asking the players to rely on the integrity of an unknown computer programmer.

                          "The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state. "

                          It's not the integrity of the games that is in question; it's the integrity of the way the numbers are drawn. Their goal is to maximize dollars and they don't want the players to see the drawings. That sounds more like an extreme measure to throw integrity out the window.

                          "We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn."

                          They said "security and integrity of our games is of the utmost importance" yet they waited until players questioned the integrity before their security staff got involved. They could have had the janitor or anybody run test draws and get the same results.

                          They should put "play at own risk" on each lottery terminal.

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                            The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

                            There you have it in a nut shell! Less winners, less to payout, More for the State!

                            Looks like the Almighty buck wins hands down! But really think about it, does the money really go to the Education Fund or is it being diverted to some other program or someones pocket? Most states cover education through property taxes and a few other taxes, but has the property taxes in Tenn gone down any or have they gone up ever so slightly as not to set of any bells or whistles? And if the lowering of the property taxes hasn't happen, I think the people of Tenn need to call for an audit of the state education fund and the lottery to find out where the money has really gone too!

                            Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true! Thumbs Up


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                              Posted: August 16, 2007, 4:25 pm - IP Logged

                              I just don't like games being computerized.