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Tenn. Lottery players complaining over switch from numbered balls

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Posted: August 16, 2007, 6:20 pm - IP Logged

The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

There you have it in a nut shell! Less winners, less to payout, More for the State!

Looks like the Almighty buck wins hands down! But really think about it, does the money really go to the Education Fund or is it being diverted to some other program or someones pocket? Most states cover education through property taxes and a few other taxes, but has the property taxes in Tenn gone down any or have they gone up ever so slightly as not to set of any bells or whistles? And if the lowering of the property taxes hasn't happen, I think the people of Tenn need to call for an audit of the state education fund and the lottery to find out where the money has really gone too!

the state raised the gpa required to get the lottery scholarship because they were giving away so much money because so many people qualified at first. i dont know where the extra money they saved when they raised the gpa's goes now but im sure rebecca paul will never tell us players

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    "We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn."

    KyMystikal, tell them (politely, of course) to put this in their pipe and smoke it - as of this afternoon (8/16) there have been 36 consecutive computerized pick 4 drawings with no multiple digits (38 total counting the last 2 ball draws on 7/27).  According to my calculations the odds on this happening are approx. 51 1/2 billion to one!

    There are 5040 out of 10000 4-digit combos with no repeats, giving a .5040 chance of 1 drawing with no repeats (IOW, just slightly better than a coin flip).  Raise that to the 36th power and you get 0.00000000001938649565, or 1 chance in  51,582,298,218.11.

     The odds will approximately double with each successive drawing that does not contain a multiple.

     I've heard that Tennessee's a nice place to visit (I've never been there myself), but I sure wouldn't bet my money there.

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      i wasnt blaming your post for anyone losing the lottery toadschmode i was agreeing with you that rng is not random and i thought they would show how fixed it is by having some doubles suddenly drop out of nowhere but i guess they still havent fallen. if you go back over my other posts from the past you will see im against rng and i never wanted tennessee to get it.

      Sorry must have read it wrong! I was only trying to alert Tenn players what was happening so they don't waste they're time and money. I really don't believe they read the post's here and then go tweak the computer. But i do believe that RNG draws are set up for max profit with  min payout. And with the total "BS" going on with Tenn draws right now shows that a RNG system can be flawed or fixed. I don't think there's ever been, in any state, this many draws in a pick 3 & 4 without a double digit. And i know that they know they have a serious problem right now and i'm sure they're scrambling to correct it, and in the process trying to pacify the players that all is well when it isn't.

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        I'm not even from Tennessee and I'm flipping mad. They haven't drawn a double number since they started using the RNG system in either pick 3 or 4 games.

        They are ripping off the people of Tennessee every day i have sent several emails to them explaining about rng systems and i keep getting replies that they are aware of it but that they have checked the rng system and it's working fine. It's like they refuse to believe that it's impossible for them to be wrong.

        They insist that their equipment is working perfectly. They have so far refuse to answer my last email. Which had links to other states who use rng's and for them to check the numbers history of both games in 3 different states so they can see for themselves that rng do produce doubles on average of 33% of the time.

        Well Tennesseans you need to call the attorney general and complain about this happening.

        Call the news media call someone but don't bother to call the Tennessee lottery cause they don't care.  

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          I'm not even from Tennessee and I'm flipping mad. They haven't drawn a double number since they started using the RNG system in either pick 3 or 4 games.

          They are ripping off the people of Tennessee every day i have sent several emails to them explaining about rng systems and i keep getting replies that they are aware of it but that they have checked the rng system and it's working fine. It's like they refuse to believe that it's impossible for them to be wrong.

          They insist that their equipment is working perfectly. They have so far refuse to answer my last email. Which had links to other states who use rng's and for them to check the numbers history of both games in 3 different states so they can see for themselves that rng do produce doubles on average of 33% of the time.

          Well Tennesseans you need to call the attorney general and complain about this happening.

          Call the news media call someone but don't bother to call the Tennessee lottery cause they don't care.  

          I'm not from Tennessee either, but I'm sending the results of this "exciting new way to draw" to my state's lottery commission so they can see how quickly they could lose their credibility and invite charges of fraud, founded or not by switching to a RNG drawing. Copies will be sent to my state representative and senator too.

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            I'm not from Tennessee either, but I'm sending the results of this "exciting new way to draw" to my state's lottery commission so they can see how quickly they could lose their credibility and invite charges of fraud, founded or not by switching to a RNG drawing. Copies will be sent to my state representative and senator too.

            Sorry, this won't hold up in court. No judge, lottery director, representative, senator, or governor cares about whether or not doubles have been drawn. The only people who care are people like you, the ones who track this stuff and try to predict numbers. The kind of people, like I have said, the lottery doesn't want playing. They don't want people who are looking for an edge, because someday, they just might find it, if they haven't already. 

            In layman's terms : you're gonna need a better argument than "there aren't no doubles in the pick 4". 

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              Well Tenn lotto still continues to state that drawing from other states have no bearing on drawings from Tennessee. Regardless of number histories of other states. They continue to state that the software is working properly. And that double numbers have show in random tests conducted by them. Regardless i stated well there not showing in actual drawings and that what counts. I can see pure numbers being draw a few days in a row but it's been almost a month and still no double numbers.

              I cant believe that they haven't figured out their software has a flaw.

              And i can only guess when they do and if they do they will play it off as a fluke. Hundred possibly thousand of people play double numbers every day and they are being ripped off big time.


              But for now at least maybe some can take advantage of this happening by playing only straight numbers and no doubles. powertrails is perfect pen and pencil method for this sort of thing.

              Thanks to BobP

              http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/pwrtrails.html

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                Sorry, this won't hold up in court. No judge, lottery director, representative, senator, or governor cares about whether or not doubles have been drawn. The only people who care are people like you, the ones who track this stuff and try to predict numbers. The kind of people, like I have said, the lottery doesn't want playing. They don't want people who are looking for an edge, because someday, they just might find it, if they haven't already. 

                In layman's terms : you're gonna need a better argument than "there aren't no doubles in the pick 4". 

                Jimmy no state in the USA has had nearly a weeks worth of numbers that didn't contain a double let alone a month's worth. Tennessee lottery software for pick 3-4 is corrupted or has a program error.

                 

                Drawing DatePick 3Pick 4
                MiddayEveningMiddayEvening
                Sun, Aug 19, 20078-1-39-0-5-6
                Sat, Aug 18, 20076-0-24-3-63-4-9-22-8-7-3
                Fri, Aug 17, 20073-7-55-1-29-5-8-74-2-5-6
                Thu, Aug 16, 20079-1-21-7-52-1-8-01-2-9-5
                Wed, Aug 15, 20070-1-72-9-43-2-1-69-2-4-6
                Tue, Aug 14, 20078-1-28-0-23-1-8-01-3-2-6
                Mon, Aug 13, 20070-2-15-3-69-2-8-63-5-0-9
                Sun, Aug 12, 20076-3-73-8-9-0
                Sat, Aug 11, 20079-3-85-9-84-8-2-53-1-9-7
                Fri, Aug 10, 20075-3-60-8-51-4-8-61-7-8-9
                Thu, Aug 9, 20070-2-85-1-30-8-9-45-8-7-6
                Wed, Aug 8, 20079-1-37-0-64-7-9-05-0-8-2
                Tue, Aug 7, 20071-2-98-6-79-4-5-24-5-6-8
                Mon, Aug 6, 20077-8-05-0-27-0-3-17-1-3-6
                Sun, Aug 5, 20076-3-86-7-3-5
                Sat, Aug 4, 20077-4-64-6-82-8-6-53-2-5-8
                Fri, Aug 3, 20079-5-34-0-66-5-1-42-6-9-4
                Thu, Aug 2, 20070-3-66-1-87-6-9-85-8-0-2
                Wed, Aug 1, 20075-7-68-2-42-1-9-00-1-3-7
                Tue, Jul 31, 20075-4-17-6-03-2-0-98-4-1-7
                Mon, Jul 30, 20074-3-82-1-93-0-1-85-7-1-3
                Sun, Jul 29, 20075-4-90-9-5-6
                Sat, Jul 28, 20075-7-89-0-31-5-2-81-8-5-7
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                  Tenns. players  may  have  a  big  fight  on  their  hands  since  all  lotteries  are  Big  Busn..  :

                  even if  50%  of  regular lottery  players  stopped  playing  and  only  100  people  played  a  dollar  at  each  lottery  terminal  accross  the  state.....  and  the  lottery  paid  out  a  meir $$100,000  per  draw  but  grossed  $$-12million  per  day  profit .....  thats  still  worth  it  to  run  a  busn ;

                  Computers  are  servents  of  people  and  PROGRAMED , thats  software  which  do  as  the  owners  want  , just  think of  the  datta  it  records  ...betting  habits  and  wages  per Bet ; which  areas  sell  the  most  tickets  ect...ect...

                  The  solution  is  boycots  and  Politics....fire  some  senators  and   State  Congresspersons  ...

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                    Tenns. players  may  have  a  big  fight  on  their  hands  since  all  lotteries  are  Big  Busn..  :

                    even if  50%  of  regular lottery  players  stopped  playing  and  only  100  people  played  a  dollar  at  each  lottery  terminal  accross  the  state.....  and  the  lottery  paid  out  a  meir $$100,000  per  draw  but  grossed  $$-12million  per  day  profit .....  thats  still  worth  it  to  run  a  busn ;

                    Computers  are  servents  of  people  and  PROGRAMED , thats  software  which  do  as  the  owners  want  , just  think of  the  datta  it  records  ...betting  habits  and  wages  per Bet ; which  areas  sell  the  most  tickets  ect...ect...

                    The  solution  is  boycots  and  Politics....fire  some  senators  and   State  Congresspersons  ...

                    Rebecca Paul has been a lottery director for 2 states she should know whether the drawings software is corrupted or not she knows what the statistics show for lottery drawings and should well know that numbers however random contain doubles 33% of the time since doubles are 33% of the pool of numbers.

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                      Sorry, this won't hold up in court. No judge, lottery director, representative, senator, or governor cares about whether or not doubles have been drawn. The only people who care are people like you, the ones who track this stuff and try to predict numbers. The kind of people, like I have said, the lottery doesn't want playing. They don't want people who are looking for an edge, because someday, they just might find it, if they haven't already. 

                      In layman's terms : you're gonna need a better argument than "there aren't no doubles in the pick 4". 

                      "The lottery (Tennessee Lottery) claims computerized drawings are "exciting", although player polls suggest that any excitement from lottery drawings comes as the result of seeing real lottery balls being mixed in a spinning drum and drawn one at a time — both of which are missing from computerized drawings. "

                      Because of the Ohio Lottery, state representatives and state senators had an additional $646 million to put into the state's educational fund in 2006. I seriously doubt they would risk losing even a few million dollars a year because of a hair brained idea by a Governor appointed state lottery commission.

                      "Thanks to the Tennessee Lottery's unilateral decision to abandon traditional lottery drawings using numbered balls to pick the winning numbers on television, many players have decided to stop playing."

                      The Ohio Lottery has a tradition of listing to the players.

                      June 18, 2007 press release:

                      "CLEVELAND… Cash Explosion Double Play is coming back by popular demand on Saturday, Oct. 6, as The Ohio State Lottery’s “new” TV game show. The instant game Cash Explosion, which provides cash prizes and opportunities to be a show contestant, goes on sale Friday, July 27. The final Make Me Famous, Make Me Rich TV show will air Saturday, Sept. 29."

                      August 14, 2007 press release:

                      "CLEVELAND… The Cash Explosion instant game has been flying off the shelves as fans of the instant ticket and companion TV show began making their ticket purchases July 27. Cash Explosion instant game sales were $590,450 for the week ending Aug. 11, making it the week’s highest selling $1 game. The game went on sale statewide July 27."

                      The Tennessee Lottery obviously has a different priority. 

                      "The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings. The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state."

                      The Ohio Lottery is maximizing dollars for education by listening to the players and Ohio players have confidence in live ball machine drawings whether they watch it or not. I don't know that the meager ticket sales of the new twice-a-day keno style Ten-OH game are because the drawings are computerized and not shown live but that is something the commission will have to evaluate.

                      "In layman's terms : you're gonna need a better argument than "there aren't no doubles in the pick 4.

                      Tennessee went to the "exciting" computerized drawings "despite numerous player polls showing mistrust and discontent with the faux drawings".  If anything the fact there has been no doubles in about 40 Pick-3 and Pick-4 drawings using the computer justifies player mistrust. The lottery isn't intentionally cheating but you might have hard time convincing people playing doubles.

                      I'm not sending the drawing results to the lottery commission, just showing what could result when a state lottery commission stops listening to their players.

                       

                       

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                        Jimmy no state in the USA has had nearly a weeks worth of numbers that didn't contain a double let alone a month's worth. Tennessee lottery software for pick 3-4 is corrupted or has a program error.

                         

                        Drawing DatePick 3Pick 4
                        MiddayEveningMiddayEvening
                        Sun, Aug 19, 20078-1-39-0-5-6
                        Sat, Aug 18, 20076-0-24-3-63-4-9-22-8-7-3
                        Fri, Aug 17, 20073-7-55-1-29-5-8-74-2-5-6
                        Thu, Aug 16, 20079-1-21-7-52-1-8-01-2-9-5
                        Wed, Aug 15, 20070-1-72-9-43-2-1-69-2-4-6
                        Tue, Aug 14, 20078-1-28-0-23-1-8-01-3-2-6
                        Mon, Aug 13, 20070-2-15-3-69-2-8-63-5-0-9
                        Sun, Aug 12, 20076-3-73-8-9-0
                        Sat, Aug 11, 20079-3-85-9-84-8-2-53-1-9-7
                        Fri, Aug 10, 20075-3-60-8-51-4-8-61-7-8-9
                        Thu, Aug 9, 20070-2-85-1-30-8-9-45-8-7-6
                        Wed, Aug 8, 20079-1-37-0-64-7-9-05-0-8-2
                        Tue, Aug 7, 20071-2-98-6-79-4-5-24-5-6-8
                        Mon, Aug 6, 20077-8-05-0-27-0-3-17-1-3-6
                        Sun, Aug 5, 20076-3-86-7-3-5
                        Sat, Aug 4, 20077-4-64-6-82-8-6-53-2-5-8
                        Fri, Aug 3, 20079-5-34-0-66-5-1-42-6-9-4
                        Thu, Aug 2, 20070-3-66-1-87-6-9-85-8-0-2
                        Wed, Aug 1, 20075-7-68-2-42-1-9-00-1-3-7
                        Tue, Jul 31, 20075-4-17-6-03-2-0-98-4-1-7
                        Mon, Jul 30, 20074-3-82-1-93-0-1-85-7-1-3
                        Sun, Jul 29, 20075-4-90-9-5-6
                        Sat, Jul 28, 20075-7-89-0-31-5-2-81-8-5-7

                        This is an incredible sequence of numbers!  For both the Pick 3 and Pick 4 to have no doubles for this length of time is impossible, if you look at the odds.  I completely agree that something very wrong is happening here.

                        Tennessee lottery players, you have my sympathies.  Your lottery appears to be screwed up. 

                        Tennessee Lottery:  What a bright decision to look a gift horse in the mouth, and to throw away real drawings for this nonsense. 

                        Those who want to try this out at home:  Go to the Lottery Post Quick Pick Generator and generate a set of 46 Pick 3 numbers, and 46 Pick 4 numbers.  See how many doubles you get.  Run it a few times and see if you ever get no doubles.

                        I personally believe the Tennessee Lottery has made a false statement when they said, "For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected."  When there are no doubles ever drawn, that means every drawing, depending on the first and second numbers selected, there are a whole series of numbers that are impossible to be drawn.  Thus, each number would not have the same chance of being drawn.

                        I wonder when they will flip the switch to start allowing doubles to appear.

                         

                        Check the State Lottery Report Card
                        What grade did your lottery earn?

                         

                        Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                        Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                          This is an incredible sequence of numbers!  For both the Pick 3 and Pick 4 to have no doubles for this length of time is impossible, if you look at the odds.  I completely agree that something very wrong is happening here.

                          Tennessee lottery players, you have my sympathies.  Your lottery appears to be screwed up. 

                          Tennessee Lottery:  What a bright decision to look a gift horse in the mouth, and to throw away real drawings for this nonsense. 

                          Those who want to try this out at home:  Go to the Lottery Post Quick Pick Generator and generate a set of 46 Pick 3 numbers, and 46 Pick 4 numbers.  See how many doubles you get.  Run it a few times and see if you ever get no doubles.

                          I personally believe the Tennessee Lottery has made a false statement when they said, "For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected."  When there are no doubles ever drawn, that means every drawing, depending on the first and second numbers selected, there are a whole series of numbers that are impossible to be drawn.  Thus, each number would not have the same chance of being drawn.

                          I wonder when they will flip the switch to start allowing doubles to appear.

                          i totally agree something is definitely wrong. i used your quick pick generator  and asked it just to pick 1 ticket then another and another just to see how many times i might get a double and they were back to back and about every other out of 10 tries i got 5 doubles.

                          here's what might be happening in Tennessee they say they have tested the RNG software program and it is working fine.  Without actually knowing what hey have done. They might have asked it to run a group of numbers or they might do a 1 at a time. When it comes to the actual drawing after the pre tests the numbers prior to the actual drawing might have had doubles in them and during the actual draw the rng selected  no doubles. But for this to continuously happen repeatedly for 40 some draws in both pick 3 and 4 which might be two separate machines is definitely malfunctioning.

                          What kills me the most is anyone working the machine should have noticed this and told someone and investigated the problem and not shrug it off as some kind of fluke.

                          Anyone who has been working for the lottery should know the odds of what has happened are beyond the scope of random.

                          I knew something was wrong in the first 5 draws when no numbers came out double and i don't work for the lottery.    

                          In emails back and fourth to them (Tenn lottery) i sent them some stats from two other states that have RNG software and haven't got a return email from them. The states i sent info fro were Delaware and New Mexico the same amount of drawing just so they could see that other RNG software produces doubles approximately 33% of the time.

                          As of today they have still not drawn a double number and i don't know if they ever will.

                          If i lived there i would be calling someone. Complaining and trying to get someone to investigate. I don't know who audits their lottery but they must be clueless also.

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                            well what do you know Tennessee finally drew a double digit in pick 4 after nearly 40 draws without one.

                             

                            CASH 48/20/2007Evening6691$19,600.00

                             

                             

                            pick 3 still remains doubless

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                              This is an incredible sequence of numbers!  For both the Pick 3 and Pick 4 to have no doubles for this length of time is impossible, if you look at the odds.  I completely agree that something very wrong is happening here.

                              Tennessee lottery players, you have my sympathies.  Your lottery appears to be screwed up. 

                              Tennessee Lottery:  What a bright decision to look a gift horse in the mouth, and to throw away real drawings for this nonsense. 

                              Those who want to try this out at home:  Go to the Lottery Post Quick Pick Generator and generate a set of 46 Pick 3 numbers, and 46 Pick 4 numbers.  See how many doubles you get.  Run it a few times and see if you ever get no doubles.

                              I personally believe the Tennessee Lottery has made a false statement when they said, "For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected."  When there are no doubles ever drawn, that means every drawing, depending on the first and second numbers selected, there are a whole series of numbers that are impossible to be drawn.  Thus, each number would not have the same chance of being drawn.

                              I wonder when they will flip the switch to start allowing doubles to appear.

                              Todd, Thanks for changing Tennessee's report card to an F .

                              Do you have an F+ category ?