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FLASH: Tennessee Lottery audit won't investigate drawing errors

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Posted: October 3, 2007, 11:26 pm - IP Logged

...A similar situation happened in Connecticut back around 1987-89. The Ctlottery was running their  drawings on superstitious days or dates and got caught in a terrible fix. It was a Friday the 13th in May of that year and the number was "513" and lotto players from Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York and of course Connecticut played "513" and as a result...The Connecticut Lottery had to borrow $80 + Million Dollars from Chase Manhattan Bank to payoff on "513".

That wasn't the bad part. The bad part was what the director of that lottery quoted in the Hartford Current Newspaper. In frustration the lottery director stated: THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN...

That told me then that there would be changes (internally) to the system. Tennesee seems to have made a worse mistake. They took their story public and now run the risk of destroying the whole trust factor for the online systems not only for Tennesee but, the res of the country.

They have the software programs to allow you to win or lose but, still I do not see that as a total threat just yet. Keep your eye on GTECH CORP & Scientific Games Corp.

However, for those of you who have the power lotto busting programs...Generated drawings should not be a problem.

 

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    You Know..I was just reading this article for the first time and a thought hit me..I was thinking maybe a small group could actually file a lawsuit against the Tennessee Lottery because of the vote...The Citizens of Tennessee voted the lottery in through a vote correct?..That gives the power to the people..they changed the draws without the PUBLICS PERMISSION therefore they violated the law it seems to me..the public voted it in so they should have the say so..not the state gov..they are just in charge to make sure it is run properly which they have failed to do...

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      You Know..I was just reading this article for the first time and a thought hit me..I was thinking maybe a small group could actually file a lawsuit against the Tennessee Lottery because of the vote...The Citizens of Tennessee voted the lottery in through a vote correct?..That gives the power to the people..they changed the draws without the PUBLICS PERMISSION therefore they violated the law it seems to me..the public voted it in so they should have the say so..not the state gov..they are just in charge to make sure it is run properly which they have failed to do...

      Why think small... how about something big like Class Action?

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          i was happy when i heard there would be an audit i thought we could get some straight answers but now i see there is no checks and balances with the tennessee lottery they can keep cheating the players in this state if the players keep playing. you are right toad and kymystikal the boycott of this lottery must continue

          Lottery officials previously said KPMG

          would be paid about $90,000...

          Thinking of...

          Oh, there'll be a check alright.

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            Out-of-control situation gets worse 

            Legislators shocked to learn investigation won't study why errors occurred

            The Tennessee Lottery hired an outside auditor after a computer issue affected the Cash 3 and Cash 4 games in August, but the auditor will not examine why the system failed.

            Lottery officials previously said KPMG would be paid about $90,000 to look into the problem that kept repeat numbers from being drawn for those games for more than three weeks in August.

            But a letter obtained by The Tennessean under an open-records request shows that KPMG has been asked to determine only whether the computers now are working properly.

            The co-chairmen of a joint legislative committee set to review the audit in early November said that was not what they were told the auditors were going to review.

            "What's the sense of doing the audit?'' said Sen. Bill Ketron, R-Murfreesboro, one co-chairman. "That just doesn't make sense to me. I thought the whole purpose was about what happened, what created the glitch."

            "If that's all they are going to do, then to me it's worthless," said Rep. Ulysses Jones Jr., D-Memphis, the other
            co-chairman.

            The lottery's internal auditor will look into "operational issues" related to how the glitch happened, lottery spokeswoman Kym Gerlock said.

            "It has always been our intent to thoroughly review the issue that occurred with the Cash 3 and Cash 4 random number generators and to ensure they are working properly, and that is precisely what we are doing,'' Gerlock said.

            Gerlock made that basic statement several ways in response to questions about why KPMG would not address the origin of the mistake, or how to prevent it from happening again.

            More data sought

            Lottery officials have said the game became flawed when a computer programmer entered the wrong letter — a "u" for unique instead of an "r" for repeat. As a result, repeat numbers were blocked, even though players could still buy tickets with repeat numbers.

            The internal audit was prompted by James H. Ripley, a Sevierville attorney who heads the 3-year-old lottery's audit group.

            He asked for an investigation into the error and whether fraud could have been involved. That work is continuing, Gerlock said.

            Ketron called an internal audit of the glitch "the fox guarding the henhouse."

            He said he planned to send state Comptroller John Morgan a letter today asking him to look at the contracts for the computerized system. The senator said he wanted to know the circumstances that led the lottery on July 28 to switch from a system in which numbered balls popped up in transparent containers to a computer-run system that picked the numbers.

            "I had a lot of phone calls from people inside and outside the state who are questioning the honesty of this new computer system,'' Ketron said.

            Jones said he would send lottery director Rebecca Paul Hargrove a letter by Friday asking for more information about the KPMG audit. He said an internal lottery audit would only raise more suspicions.

            Lottery officials have blamed the coding error on an employee of lottery vendor SmartPlay International Inc., which was paid $221,300 to supply two number-picking computers.

            Mike Calabrese, a lottery player from Gallatin, said he cut back on playing Cash 3 and Cash 4 when the lottery made the switch from the ball-drop system.

            "I do not like the computerized version,'' he said. "I just don't trust it."

            what  makes    you  think  it  was  a  glitch  ....for  90,000  dollars  I  will  say  what  ever  you  wanted ...or  partners  in  crime  the  two  covering  each  others  back??/

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              I work in a lottery store for TN.  Believe me , not all the people know the information/news about this glitch.  Nor do they even know that TN has changed the way they get the results.  I cannot warn them because it will hurt sales.  My friend, the boss, would lose profits.  I want to yell... DONT PLAY until things change back.  I have written my complaints to TN lottery.  Of course no word back...

               

              DONT PLAY...

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                I work in a lottery store for TN.  Believe me , not all the people know the information/news about this glitch.  Nor do they even know that TN has changed the way they get the results.  I cannot warn them because it will hurt sales.  My friend, the boss, would lose profits.  I want to yell... DONT PLAY until things change back.  I have written my complaints to TN lottery.  Of course no word back...

                 

                DONT PLAY...

                If the average person's only contact with the lottery is through the sales clerks, then it creates a direct conflict of interest for the clerks to say anything that might dampen the players' enthusiasm about the games.&


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                  If the average person's only contact with the lottery is through the sales clerks, then it creates a direct conflict of interest for the clerks to say anything that might dampen the players' enthusiasm about the games.&

                  Ms Tntea, what if you were to send that same text to local televivon stations and media including some of the local advocates...Do you thing that might expand interests to people in Tennesee? This is extremely serious.

                   

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                          I certainly don't hold myself out as being a programming expert.  I use only Visual Basic and VBA.  If there is someone out there who is an expert, I have a question that I would like answered.

                          Is there a computer language and uses "u" and "r" as a reserved word?  If there is, I am not aware of its existence.  These letters might be a variable within a compiled language but, if so, they are subject to being manipulated via the keyboard or within the body of the program.

                          If these two letters can be set according to whim, then there is nothing fair about Tennessee's lottory.  I wonder if other states, using the same company, have the same option with these two letters?  If so, then their drawing isn't fair either.

                      Variables in a programming language can be any (program-legal) name you like. The letters U and R in this case were NOT variables, but one-character STRINGs contained in one variable which would be used to control whether or not to "flag off as used" numbers already picked. When you have a program pick with an RNG, there is the chance to repeat numbers, so in a Pick3 or 4 game that's OK but not in Jackpot games. The programmer apparently had the control variable set to equal "U" (unique) for the Pick 3/4 games and the code saw "U" when it checked the variable and wrongly flagged off digits as used and thus prevented repeats i.e. doubles/triples and thus such tickets had no chance to win.* This program code was written BEFORE any of the drawings happened but maybe they rushed the programmer and failed to notice it had this flaw. There should be no need to have to remember to tell it Unique or Replace during drawings any more than needing to tell it the range (matrix) every time (could you imagine drawings like "00-04-05-05-07-09"?) I'd think that the program is simply told "Draw the Pick 3" or "Draw for Lotto 6" and it's smart enough to know how high the numbers go and whether the game is drawn from one bin ("Unique") or 3 or 4 bins ("Replace"). My program is well aware of what game it's picking!

                      *In Pennsylvania's MATCH6 game, there are prizes for matching 10 numbers even though only 6 are drawn. This REQUIRES the 2nd and 3rd lines to have some repeats to get 7 or more matches but I've gotten several tickets where some of those prize levels are mathematically impossible to win! Yet I am the only one so far to notice this.

                      For now, on the TN games, if you play them, if certain #s show up often or are due on the 3/4 then you might want to use the same #s for Jackpot games, as the same code is used for everything.