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Hoosier Lotto in a dry spell

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Players suspicious of computerized drawings

1 Year. 102 Drawings. 0 Jackpots. Players grumble as Indiana lottery players join Tennessee's in their shared disdain for the computerized drawing system.

Steven Haddix didn't cross his fingers or grasp a lucky rabbit's foot after buying tickets Tuesday for tonight's Hoosier Lotto drawing.

Instead, the Indianapolis resident expressed mistrust of the Lotto system, which has gone nearly a year without a jackpot payout.

"I'm a little leery of it," he said after his purchase at Dinner Bell Markets. "It just seems odd. They used to hit more often."

Saturday's drawing marked the 102nd consecutive drawing in the Hoosier Lotto without a jackpot winner. The jackpot was hit last on Oct. 21, when Frank and Beverly Rice, Indianapolis, won $5 million.

With no winners in so many weeks, the jackpot will reach a record $51.5 million for tonight's drawing, twice as large as any lottery prize this week and three times larger than any state jackpot.

The probability of no jackpot winner for such a long time is incredibly small, said Steve McKinley, a probability lecturer at Indiana University.

He estimated the odds of no winner for 51 straight weeks to be a fraction of a percent.

State lottery spokesman Andrew Reed said no one's hit the Hoosier Lotto jackpot simply because no one's picked the right numbers.

"The odds are about one in 12 million of being hit, and it depends on the number of tickets sold and it depends on how lucky people are," Reed said.

Over the same period, there have been 17 winners in the larger Powerball game, which is played in 29 states plus Washington, D.C., and the Virgin Islands. The odds of winning Powerball are about one in 146 million.

About $25.3 million in smaller prizes -- for matching two, three, four or five numbers -- has been won since the last jackpot winner, according to the Hoosier Lottery.

Over the past year, sales have varied from 4.2 million tickets sold in November to 12.8 million sold last month, Reed said. Sales have held steady this month: about 3 million tickets each week.

About 53 percent of ticket proceeds goes to prize money, with the rest going to state programs and operating costs, Reed said.

The long stretch with no big winner isn't unheard of, he said. Since the game started in September 1994, 89 players have won the jackpot.

The previous record jackpot of $42 million was set in June 1999, under Hoosier Lotto's former system of using ball machines to randomly select numbers. The lottery switched to computer-generated numbers in December 2001, while Powerball continues to use ball machines.

Winning Lotto numbers are selected on Wednesday and Saturday evenings by the lottery's computer system, Reed said.

Some customers buying tickets at Dinner Bell Markets, 2835 S. Shelby St., said they think the computer system makes winning difficult.

"It just makes it a little harder to hit," said David Bradley, 58. "That's probably why it's been so long."

Several players have complained about the computerized system, store manager Millie Johnston said.  "There's been a lot of remarks made about that."

 Reed said the computer system randomly generates numbers, with each drawing independent from all others. The equipment was approved by Gaming Laboratories International, which oversees lotteries and casinos worldwide.

Since the system was installed, 33 people have won the jackpot. In 2006, there were seven jackpot winners.

The jackpot increases by $500,000 for each drawing that no one wins.

This amount is not set to change, Reed said, despite the fact that the agency has sold about 90 million of the $1 tickets since the last jackpot winner.

Other customers said they would continue to play regardless of how long the game has gone without a winner.

"I don't even think about it, really," said Gloria Baldwin, 63, Indianapolis. "Just no one's been lucky."

Try your luck

  • Odds of winning the Hoosier Lotto jackpot: 1 in 12,271,512.
  • Number of twice-weekly drawings without a winner: 102.
  • Odds of going so long without a winner: A minuscule fraction of a percent, says Steve McKinley, a lecturer in probability at Indiana University.

Two previous jackpot winners

Oct. 21, 2006: Frank and Beverly Rice, Indianapolis, purchased a $5 million ticket at United Package Liquors, 5510 Emerson Way.

Sept. 16, 2006: The Stewardship Revocable Trust purchased an $11 million ticket at a Village Pantry in Bloomington.

Fewer than 1 per month

Thirty-three people have won the Hoosier Lotto jackpot since Dec. 5, 2001, when the organization switched to computer-generated winning numbers. Here is the number of winners per year:

2002............ Nine

2003............ Four

2004............ Six

2005............ Seven

2006............ Seven

2007............ Zero

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Posted: October 17, 2007, 8:59 pm - IP Logged

I, for one, am really glad to see this issue raised again in Indiana.  There has already been one attempt to legislate computerized drawings out of existence there, maybe (hopefully!) this will spark another attempt.  I hope it also gets notice in Tennessee, where the oversight meeting is just a couple of weeks away.

 

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    Posted: October 17, 2007, 9:11 pm - IP Logged

    the lotto in my state of indiana is doing something dirty with this constant not hitting on the jackpot but ima just play my tickets and pray for the best


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      Posted: October 17, 2007, 9:17 pm - IP Logged

      Im glad someone finally put a percentage on the likelihood of this happening at well below one percent.  If Tennessee had a computer glitch that didnt allow doubles maybe Indiana has a glitch that doesnt allow the same numbers to be drawn if they were printed on a ticket, hence no doubles either haha.   It surpassed the magical 50 million mark, now the year mark might be the magical date this falls.  And no money is won when you hit 2 numbers, just a free play that is in itself worth about 20 cents, typical lottery spin. 

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        Posted: October 18, 2007, 12:13 am - IP Logged

        I, for one, am really glad to see this issue raised again in Indiana.  There has already been one attempt to legislate computerized drawings out of existence there, maybe (hopefully!) this will spark another attempt.  I hope it also gets notice in Tennessee, where the oversight meeting is just a couple of weeks away.

        I  completly   agree  with  you   on  this  issue  computerized  drawings  are  not  good   for  the  players .The  benifit  is  too  the  Lotterys   and  their  corporate  partners ....its   a  money   maker  very  little  payouts  and  all  profit :

        laws  would  push  those   Corporate  Enterprises into  a  better  system  a  ball   draw  in   the   eye  of  the   camera  and the  citizens  of  this   state:

        But  like  I  said  before  there  are   many   insidences  accross  the   USA  where  no  one   has  won  for  over  a  year ....people  dont   want  to  make   waves ....(just   ask  KY Fooled ,he  hits   all  the   web  sites)   case  and  point  the  pick  10  NY  cash   amount   for   all  10 =500,000.00

        with  up  to   10  winners   per  draw ....number   of  winners  for   all  ten  in  the   last  5yr  =( 2)

        and  you   never   know  if  that  winner   was  not  related  to  the  lottery  personal ,since  it   is  a  draw  that  is  never   teleivised;

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          Posted: October 18, 2007, 12:55 am - IP Logged

          IT'S completely driving me Insane!!!!!


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            Posted: October 18, 2007, 1:09 am - IP Logged

            your not the only one

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              Posted: October 18, 2007, 1:35 am - IP Logged

              IT'S completely driving me Insane!!!!!

              why  dont  you   write  to  the   Governor  or  the   inspector  general   of  your  state ;

              tell  them  you   dont   want  computerized   drawings  in  your   state ...its  simple  and  you   are  paying  there   wages just   like  every-other   tax  payers;

              "A  journey  of   a  thousand- miles  begins  with  a   single  step"

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                Posted: October 18, 2007, 2:06 am - IP Logged

                why  dont  you   write  to  the   Governor  or  the   inspector  general   of  your  state ;

                tell  them  you   dont   want  computerized   drawings  in  your   state ...its  simple  and  you   are  paying  there   wages just   like  every-other   tax  payers;

                "A  journey  of   a  thousand- miles  begins  with  a   single  step"

                FYI-- Everyone has been notified years ago. The day that the bill to eliminate RNG was supposed to be brought up in the Legislature was the day they all walked out---isnt that a coincidence. You plead in vain if u live in Indiana. Rule of law is non existent here. EVERYONE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED! Since the Lottery is now getting scrutiny expect it to be won now. How do I know that? Cause when someone brought up the fact that there had not been quads in so long then the quads came out. There is NOTHING random about it. Just look at the daily game payouts and compare them too ANY State. It is hideously insane. But they are untouchable. Indiana makes Tennessee look like Cinderella.

                " FUN IS BAD " ----causes Bankruptcy

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                  Posted: October 18, 2007, 2:31 am - IP Logged

                  we're in the same boat jeff.i don't spend and won't spend another dime until tennessee brings back balls.period.


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                    Posted: October 18, 2007, 5:10 am - IP Logged

                    i'm predicting that the lotto jackpot will be hit this saturday (hopefully by me) it will be the one year anniversary since it was won (actually 364 days but who cares)

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                      Posted: October 18, 2007, 10:45 am - IP Logged

                      I  completly   agree  with  you   on  this  issue  computerized  drawings  are  not  good   for  the  players .The  benifit  is  too  the  Lotterys   and  their  corporate  partners ....its   a  money   maker  very  little  payouts  and  all  profit :

                      laws  would  push  those   Corporate  Enterprises into  a  better  system  a  ball   draw  in   the   eye  of  the   camera  and the  citizens  of  this   state:

                      But  like  I  said  before  there  are   many   insidences  accross  the   USA  where  no  one   has  won  for  over  a  year ....people  dont   want  to  make   waves ....(just   ask  KY Fooled ,he  hits   all  the   web  sites)   case  and  point  the  pick  10  NY  cash   amount   for   all  10 =500,000.00

                      with  up  to   10  winners   per  draw ....number   of  winners  for   all  ten  in  the   last  5yr  =( 2)

                      and  you   never   know  if  that  winner   was  not  related  to  the  lottery  personal ,since  it   is  a  draw  that  is  never   teleivised;

                      my  information  was  incorrect  about   the  NY  pick  10  ..for  this  year  there  has  been   a  few  more   winners ,they   dont  tell  you  on  the  news  anything  so  here is  the  facts  for  getting  all  10   or  the  largest   payouts  ever!!!

                       

                      Winning Numbers DrawnTotal Payout
                      02/27/2005 293031323335363738$1,510,182
                      06/26/2007 2172325383941444647$1,032,878
                      07/04/2007 591113162326283741$1,026,006
                      02/12/2004 237891016173139$596,408
                      02/16/2007 136891016202934$560,386
                      04/25/2006 13478916252832$557,618
                      09/27/2005 7111720232627283137$547,028
                      09/01/2005 4679121314192628$545,340
                      05/04/2004 351214182238454854$543,480
                      03/15/2003 4678111921283136$541,930
                      09/04/2006 2468101418203032$541,664
                      02/04/2006 131014192023252628$538,698
                      03/01/2007 2359141720223337$536,254
                      08/09/2004 691217222327293639$536,168
                      10/02/2007 781921242529303233$535,522
                      04/09/2006 7101420243334354043$533,746
                      02/21/2007 26812131923273234$531,682
                      01/31/2007 3111416182025283238$531,460
                      10/15/2006 34517202731323436$530,204
                      12/04/2005 8102532394257586065$191,610
                      11/19/2003 7121418363738525359$165,048
                      10/24/2002 67815161718192224$112,224
                      10/21/2005 125791112192225$106,034
                      05/24/2004 17232528303132333435$103,300
                      08/04/2007 1467121415171819$94,994
                      06/10/2006 4678121415171923$94,598
                      02/15/2007 2578101115172326$93,332
                      04/01/2004 12358912212526$91,206
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                        Posted: October 18, 2007, 10:59 am - IP Logged

                        Yes that is a long time.  But you do have to look at the odds.  I mean if the jackpot is really this high and they are only selling about $1.5 million tickets a drawing, that is a lot of uncovered combinations.  Now for how long this has been growing the odds are probably pretty small that it would have lasted this long.  But odds are odds.  I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though.  I mean when the jackpot is small it seems like they don't sell many tickets at all. 

                        But by the way the jackpot only grows by $500,000 a drawing?  When they are selling $3,000,000 tickets a week the jackpot should be increase by at least $2,000,000 a week not only $1,000,000.  But I guess it does make up for the beginning jackpots when I doubt they sell enough tickets to warrant the $500,000 increase.

                         

                        Brad

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                          Posted: October 18, 2007, 12:38 pm - IP Logged

                          Ohio's Classic Lotto, a 6/49 game has a starting jackpot of $1M and is increased by $100K each drawing that it's not won.  Unlike Hoosier Lotto which offer a free play for matching 2, its lowest prize is $2 for a match3.

                          Since the Hoosier Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$195K)is higher than Ohio Classic Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$22K), I assume it's attracting more players, however the Ohio game jackpot has been won three times since it started less than a year ago.  It's truly is a mystery why the Hoosier Lotto game has gone so long without a jackpot winner. 

                          P.S. Ohio Classic Lotto picks its numbers the old fashion way, it uses a ball machine.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Posted: October 18, 2007, 12:53 pm - IP Logged

                            Ohio's Classic Lotto, a 6/49 game has a starting jackpot of $1M and is increased by $100K each drawing that it's not won.  Unlike Hoosier Lotto which offer a free play for matching 2, its lowest prize is $2 for a match3.

                            Since the Hoosier Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$195K)is higher than Ohio Classic Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$22K), I assume it's attracting more players, however the Ohio game jackpot has been won three times since it started less than a year ago.  It's truly is a mystery why the Hoosier Lotto game has gone so long without a jackpot winner. 

                            P.S. Ohio Classic Lotto picks its numbers the old fashion way, it uses a ball machine.

                            A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.

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