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Hoosier Lotto in a dry spell

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Posted: October 18, 2007, 1:16 pm - IP Logged

A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.

Without knowing the numbers of people playing the pick4 game, that's hard to say.  When comparing the Hoosier Lotto game with the Ohio Classic Lotto game, I assumed if the number of payouts were greater than the number or players must be greater too since the both games have similar odds of winning.  Judging from the number of smaller payouts(box hits), there's not a lot people playing the pick4 game in Indiana.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Posted: October 18, 2007, 2:06 pm - IP Logged

    I'm not inclined to believe the probability lecturer about this game going this long without a winner only being a fraction of a percent. The spokesman said THIS MONTH, there has been about 3 million tickets each week, but everyone must keep in mind it took time to grow to that number of tickets. 6 months ago, there were a lot less. Also keep in mind 3 million tickets doesn't mean 3 million unique combinations, there are duplicates to consider. Even at 3 million UNIQUE combinations, that's only 24.4% of all possible combinations. After you take into consideration duplicates, you're looking at about 20%, if that. I like to look at cold hard facts. The fact is that mathematically it is possible for this game to go this long without a winner. This just happens to be one of those longer than average roll times for a jackpot game, just like many other jackpot games have on occasion. Of course, people are more quick to say there's something going on because the drawing is computerized. I'm going to say that I currently don't think there's anything going on. Does that mean I never will? Not necessarily. It all depends on the information I come across and how credible I think that information is. Also, regardless of the odds of winning the Hoosier Lotto jackpot are 1 in 12,271,512 and PowerBall's odds 1 in 146,107,962, and regardless of there being more PowerBall jackpots won in the last year than Hoosier Lotto, PowerBall is played in 29 states, so PowerBall's sales numbers are VASTLY larger than Hoosier Lotto's and makes up the difference many times over.

    Gonna win.Big Smile

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      Posted: October 18, 2007, 2:18 pm - IP Logged

      Without knowing the numbers of people playing the pick4 game, that's hard to say.  When comparing the Hoosier Lotto game with the Ohio Classic Lotto game, I assumed if the number of payouts were greater than the number or players must be greater too since the both games have similar odds of winning.  Judging from the number of smaller payouts(box hits), there's not a lot people playing the pick4 game in Indiana.

      Thats exactly what the want you to believe; yet, Indiana has more powerball winners than anyone.  You should stop in any store in Indiana and ask the clerks how many people are happy with the Lottery. I was just in the store this morning and hear, "everybody is talking about how screwed up it is". Do you honestly think that sales data is the issue. I think not. I dont care what anyone thinks, a Lottery that has a player population larger than another will have higher amounts of payouts than say a State with 2 million less people. To consistently pay 0 straight winners is an absoultely phoenomena compared to any other State. Maybe you should try to get the sales data from them---Good luck! FOI act is worthless here.  With the consciousness level of mankind rising, any deceit or corruption that would or has possibly existed will be exposed. Maybe I should mail Todd these 100000 losing pic 4 combinations (1.2 million numbers) and let him compare the numbers to other State Lotteries. I did this myself, and in a 5 year period I won 24,500-39,000 in 5 states, the minimum being 24,500.  Indiana 400.00.  I guess odds have it that I just use the same losing numbers everyday for 7 years. In 7 years of playing $10-20 dollars per draw (midday and evening) I have never hit a straight combo. As a matter of fact when you play 7000 to 15000 a year in combos and win zilch you call that fair? Just where are the numbers that everyone plays? Payouts are ridiculous--check them for yourself. Many many people are now asking questions, probably because they are broke thinking the odds would come around; that just doesnt happen here. So to answer your question, that does it depend on the sales? Answer this question first--which lottery pays more:

      1) a lottery in existence for 18 years with a population of over 6 million

      2) a lottery in existence for 4 years with a population of 4million

      Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State.

      " FUN IS BAD " ----causes Bankruptcy

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        Posted: October 18, 2007, 2:25 pm - IP Logged

        I don't know much more about trying to explain it off, but for having such a small shoreline next to Lake Michigan, something sure smells fishy up in there Indiana. 

        The seven winners in 2005, and seven winners in 2006?  How can anyone say it has to do with ticket sales and duplicates etc.? for going 102 draws? Maybe it'll get hit on the 107 th draw? By seven people in seven cities at 7 in the evening on the 7th of Nov?

        Roll Eyes??????????  Wasn't there a movie called 7?

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          Posted: October 18, 2007, 2:58 pm - IP Logged

          I don't know much more about trying to explain it off, but for having such a small shoreline next to Lake Michigan, something sure smells fishy up in there Indiana. 

          The seven winners in 2005, and seven winners in 2006?  How can anyone say it has to do with ticket sales and duplicates etc.? for going 102 draws? Maybe it'll get hit on the 107 th draw? By seven people in seven cities at 7 in the evening on the 7th of Nov?

          Roll Eyes??????????  Wasn't there a movie called 7?

          There certainly was a movie called "Seven" (actually "Se7en"), starring Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, and Gwyneth Paltrow.  It was directed by one of my favorite directors, David Fincher, who is more famously known for his next movie, "Fight Club", which also starred Brad Pitt. 

          Seven is a fantastic movie for anyone who likes mystery/suspense and doesn't mind some gore.

          It got its name from the seven deadly sins.

           

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            Posted: October 18, 2007, 8:04 pm - IP Logged

            A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.

            heard  your  plea  will  send  you  a PM  with  some  detail  about   your  best  set  of  numbers  ...your  right  the  numbers  are  rigged , just  a  little ....I  did  an   alogarythm   for  your   state  and  was  able  to  find  the  last    numbers  pick  and  pick    but  not  able  to  discern  between  the  night  and  day  numbers --its  not  perfect  system  but  it   works  well..pick4;

            for  tonight  box  all  numbers or  any  day  this  week;

            9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;

            0742;0751;2173;9667;

            018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers  are  more  difficult   to  predict...but  leaves  better  footprints  for  me  to  find; 

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              heard  your  plea  will  send  you  a PM  with  some  detail  about   your  best  set  of  numbers  ...your  right  the  numbers  are  rigged , just  a  little ....I  did  an   alogarythm   for  your   state  and  was  able  to  find  the  last    numbers  pick  and  pick    but  not  able  to  discern  between  the  night  and  day  numbers --its  not  perfect  system  but  it   works  well..pick4;

              for  tonight  box  all  numbers or  any  day  this  week;

              9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;

              0742;0751;2173;9667;

              018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers  are  more  difficult   to  predict...but  leaves  better  footprints  for  me  to  find; 

              WHY?.....Thinking of...?????????

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                Posted: October 18, 2007, 9:13 pm - IP Logged

                heard  your  plea  will  send  you  a PM  with  some  detail  about   your  best  set  of  numbers  ...your  right  the  numbers  are  rigged , just  a  little ....I  did  an   alogarythm   for  your   state  and  was  able  to  find  the  last    numbers  pick  and  pick    but  not  able  to  discern  between  the  night  and  day  numbers --its  not  perfect  system  but  it   works  well..pick4;

                for  tonight  box  all  numbers or  any  day  this  week;

                9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;

                0742;0751;2173;9667;

                018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers  are  more  difficult   to  predict...but  leaves  better  footprints  for  me  to  find; 

                heard  your  plea  will  send  you  a PM  with  some  detail  about   your  best  set  of  numbers  ...your  right  the  numbers  are  rigged , just  a  little ....I  did  an   alogarythem   for  your   state  and  was  able  to  find  the  last    numbers  pick 3 and  pick 4   but  not  able  to  discern  between  the  night  and  day  numbers --its  not  perfect  system  but  it   works  well..pick4;

                for  tonight  box  all  numbers or  any  day  this  week;

                9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;

                0742;0751;2173;9667;

                018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers  are  more  difficult   to  predict...but  leaves  better  footprints  for  me  to  find; 


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                  Posted: October 18, 2007, 9:22 pm - IP Logged

                  AND... The Hornets Nest Is Now Wide Open!...

                  let's see how indiana is going to explain this one away.

                  they have hijacked the lottery drawings lol.

                   

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                    Posted: October 18, 2007, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

                    AND... The Hornets Nest Is Now Wide Open!...

                    let's see how indiana is going to explain this one away.

                    they have hijacked the lottery drawings lol.

                     

                    lottoscorp-NY$

                    Bat

                    good- one  its  911  all  over   again  Green laugh    LOL!!!!

                    but  they  do   have   a   real  concern... 

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                      Sorry for you Indiana Lotto players.  I just want to say that I live in Michigan but was born in Indiana.  I WILL win in my birth homestate.  If I do win, I'll move to Indiana to help the Indiana Economy. SCREW MICHIGAN.

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                        heard  your  plea  will  send  you  a PM  with  some  detail  about   your  best  set  of  numbers  ...your  right  the  numbers  are  rigged , just  a  little ....I  did  an   alogarythem   for  your   state  and  was  able  to  find  the  last    numbers  pick 3 and  pick 4   but  not  able  to  discern  between  the  night  and  day  numbers --its  not  perfect  system  but  it   works  well..pick4;

                        for  tonight  box  all  numbers or  any  day  this  week;

                        9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;

                        0742;0751;2173;9667;

                        018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers  are  more  difficult   to  predict...but  leaves  better  footprints  for  me  to  find; 

                        well  after  tonight  I  re-evaulated   indiana  and  I  am  gonna  stick  my  neck  out  on  this  but  for  the   next  -4-7  draws  or  untill   changed  this  is  What  I  think;

                        when  a  ( 01 )  is  in  the  number  it  will  fall  with  the   following  number  or  numbers:

                        01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07....its  a  little  help  ...

                        so  when  you  play  make  sure  if  you  play  (example)

                        1953  -not  1390  but  3124  or  3126  is  better;

                        good  plays ....5138...7487...3884....6812....2711....1725....5286....5289...7003...9306....5315***

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                          Posted: October 19, 2007, 2:16 am - IP Logged

                          Yes that is a long time.  But you do have to look at the odds.  I mean if the jackpot is really this high and they are only selling about $1.5 million tickets a drawing, that is a lot of uncovered combinations.  Now for how long this has been growing the odds are probably pretty small that it would have lasted this long.  But odds are odds.  I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though.  I mean when the jackpot is small it seems like they don't sell many tickets at all. 

                          But by the way the jackpot only grows by $500,000 a drawing?  When they are selling $3,000,000 tickets a week the jackpot should be increase by at least $2,000,000 a week not only $1,000,000.  But I guess it does make up for the beginning jackpots when I doubt they sell enough tickets to warrant the $500,000 increase.

                           

                          Brad

                          "I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though."

                          In the body of the article it says the math professor estimated the odds as a fraction of a percent, but at the bottom it says a "miniscule fraction of a percent". 

                          We may have to guess at how many combinations are being sold, but the math is easy and a minsicule fraction of a percent is close enough. The chances of not having a winner for any given number of drawings is calculated by multiplying the chances of not having a winner in each individual drawing. In real life the chance of not having a winner will vary with how many combinations are sold for  any individual drawing, but let's make it simple and assume they sell 1 million combinations for each of 50 drawings.

                          The game odds are 1 in 12,271,512, so 1 million combinations is 8.15% of the possible combinations.  For each individual drawing there's an 8.15% chance of a winner, and that means there's a 91.85% chance that there won't be a winner.  The chances of not having a winner in either of 2 drawings is then  .9185 * .9185 = .8436, or 84.36%. The chances of not having a winner in 3 drawings is  .9185 * .9185 * .9185, or 77.49%.  It takes 9 drawings for the chance of still not having a winner to drop below 50% (.9185^9 = .4653, or 46.53%). For 50 games it would be  .9185^50 = .0143, or 1.4%. Even after 50 games there's still better than a 1% chance that there won't have been a winner.

                          If they continued to sell the same 8.15% of combinations for each of another 50 games the chances of not having a winner would then be  .0143 * .0143, or .0002, or .02%. That's 2/100ths of 1%.  I don't think 2/100ths qualifies as miniscule, but any reasonable estimate says that Hoosier lotto has been selling a lot more than 1 million combinations for a lot of the drawings.  As an estimate the chances of going for 102 drawings is probably between 1/100th of 1% and 1/1000th of 1%.

                          For those who are convinced that such a long run without a winner is a sure sign of a conspiracy I'll note that 1/100th of 1% is 1 in 10,000, or the same as the chance of picking the winner in pick 4.  Having a 1/1000th of 1%chance at winning powerball would require 14,500 unique tickets. Is it very unlikely that simple random chance would result in 102 drawings without a winner? Sure it is, but for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, the entire concept behind the lottery is that highly improbable things do happen.

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                            Thats exactly what the want you to believe; yet, Indiana has more powerball winners than anyone.  You should stop in any store in Indiana and ask the clerks how many people are happy with the Lottery. I was just in the store this morning and hear, "everybody is talking about how screwed up it is". Do you honestly think that sales data is the issue. I think not. I dont care what anyone thinks, a Lottery that has a player population larger than another will have higher amounts of payouts than say a State with 2 million less people. To consistently pay 0 straight winners is an absoultely phoenomena compared to any other State. Maybe you should try to get the sales data from them---Good luck! FOI act is worthless here.  With the consciousness level of mankind rising, any deceit or corruption that would or has possibly existed will be exposed. Maybe I should mail Todd these 100000 losing pic 4 combinations (1.2 million numbers) and let him compare the numbers to other State Lotteries. I did this myself, and in a 5 year period I won 24,500-39,000 in 5 states, the minimum being 24,500.  Indiana 400.00.  I guess odds have it that I just use the same losing numbers everyday for 7 years. In 7 years of playing $10-20 dollars per draw (midday and evening) I have never hit a straight combo. As a matter of fact when you play 7000 to 15000 a year in combos and win zilch you call that fair? Just where are the numbers that everyone plays? Payouts are ridiculous--check them for yourself. Many many people are now asking questions, probably because they are broke thinking the odds would come around; that just doesnt happen here. So to answer your question, that does it depend on the sales? Answer this question first--which lottery pays more:

                            1) a lottery in existence for 18 years with a population of over 6 million

                            2) a lottery in existence for 4 years with a population of 4million

                            Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State.

                            "Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State."

                            Real common sense says that payouts will always be determined by sales, in combination with the odds of any given game. Nobody with common sense would expect higher payouts with lower sales, just because the population is higher. You can think whatever you want, but 1 million people buying 1 million tickets in one state should produce twice as many winners as 500,000 tickets in another state, no matter how many people live there.

                            It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real  to justify most of your conclusions.

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                              Posted: October 19, 2007, 8:09 am - IP Logged

                              "Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State."

                              Real common sense says that payouts will always be determined by sales, in combination with the odds of any given game. Nobody with common sense would expect higher payouts with lower sales, just because the population is higher. You can think whatever you want, but 1 million people buying 1 million tickets in one state should produce twice as many winners as 500,000 tickets in another state, no matter how many people live there.

                              It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real  to justify most of your conclusions.

                              KY Floyd says: 

                              "It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real  to justify most of your conclusions."

                               You are correct, but IMHO this is a two way street and no one can come to any conclusions about this lottery, you can discuss percentages and odds all day but they mean nothing without some transparency from the IN. lottery. Something is awry.