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Posted: December 4, 2007, 5:24 pm - IP Logged

The chances of the same exact number repeating in the exact order as it usually does in Georgia, any combination of the same number three times in a month is also astranomical, I'm sure as probable as a triple. But it happens all the time here. We would be blind not to see the numbers in Georgia (I don't know about other states) and know that it is in the hands of someone who can bring a triple any time they want to. It's time to pay a little back to the players.

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    Posted: December 5, 2007, 8:04 am - IP Logged

    The chances of the same exact number repeating in the exact order as it usually does in Georgia, any combination of the same number three times in a month is also astranomical, I'm sure as probable as a triple. But it happens all the time here. We would be blind not to see the numbers in Georgia (I don't know about other states) and know that it is in the hands of someone who can bring a triple any time they want to. It's time to pay a little back to the players.

    "The chances of the same exact number repeating in the exact order as it usually does in Georgia, any combination of the same number three times in a month is also astranomical,"

    In the evening drawing I noticed that 990 followed 099, 144 was drawn twice in 7 draws, and 110 twice in 11 draws; all within 40 drawings. You said "it usually does" and if this happens that often in  the Georgia Pick-3, why not develop a strategy based on that and turn it into an advantage?

    "We would be blind not to see the numbers in Georgia (I don't know about other states) and know that it is in the hands of someone who can bring a triple any time they want to."

    I know that Georgia uses ball machines for the drawings and if they televise the live drawings, what method would they use to bring a triple that would go unnoticed by thousands of viewers?"It's time to pay a little back to the players."Was there a time when Cash 3 paid more than $500 for a straight win?

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      Posted: December 5, 2007, 9:34 am - IP Logged

      "Lottery officials say the bonuses are needed to stay competitive and keep employees focused."

      That is true in any company with annual sales of $3.4 billion and offers 0.35% in profit sharing.

      "Bonuses have long been awarded to lottery officials, but they are now 10 to 15 times greater than they were in 1993, the lottery's first year."

      It doesn't say how many employees got bonuses in 1993 but the annual sales were $1.1 billion when they got 10 or 15 times less. According to the Georgia Lottery website, the Georgia Lottery Corporation currently employs approximately 250 people statewide. The lottery returned 25% of their sales as profit in 1993 and in the last fiscal year.

      "Said Seabaugh, "There is no accountability, so they can do what they want — take the money and run and be happy with it." and "I just have to wonder how secure HOPE will be paying out $3 million dollar bonuses every year."

      Sales for the fiscal year 2005 were $2.922 billion and $802 million was deposited in the state education account. In 2006 sales increased by $500 million and profits to education increased by $50 million. Somebody should explain to Seabaugh that a one year $3,000,000 investment returned $50,000,000. What exactly does he find wrong about an investment that returns 1567%?

      "Lottery board chairman Tony Campbell says the incentives help motivate people and, "The results have been extraordinary."

      The Georgia voters should really consider replacing Mitch Seabaugh with someone that understands business management and let the experts run the lottery.

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        Posted: December 5, 2007, 11:13 am - IP Logged

        The chances of the same exact number repeating in the exact order as it usually does in Georgia, any combination of the same number three times in a month is also astranomical, I'm sure as probable as a triple. But it happens all the time here. We would be blind not to see the numbers in Georgia (I don't know about other states) and know that it is in the hands of someone who can bring a triple any time they want to. It's time to pay a little back to the players.

        Call the Georgia Lottery Player Hotline and ask a representative how many ballsets they now use to perform Cash 3 drawings.  Last time I asked a couple of years ago it was at least 16 if memory serves me.  Not sure how many different sets of machines they currently use.

        Also ask and verify whether the same group of ballsets are used for both Cash 3 and Cash 4 drawings and you will find out that yes they are.

        Anyone expecting a triple in Cash 3 ...... can have it hit in Cash 4 due to rotating through the same group of ballsets.  Over the years I've watched as ballsets were increased in number which account for repeating numbers you're talking about .... happens due to number affinities which no one controls.

        Additionally Georgia performs pre and post drawing tests which are done like dry-runs-which-don't-count drawings.  No telling how many triples are logged in on those records.  I'm also given to understand that if someone goes into the lottery office they can request to see which ballsets and machines were used.  Would imagine pre and post testing results may also be available if you ask.

        When trying to pick Georgia Cash 3 or Cash 4 numbers for Georgia it is very helpful to look at both results side by side going back 7-10 days for indicators of what is likely to hit in the next couple of draws.

        Good luck to everyone!

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          Posted: December 6, 2007, 10:43 am - IP Logged

          Call the Georgia Lottery Player Hotline and ask a representative how many ballsets they now use to perform Cash 3 drawings.  Last time I asked a couple of years ago it was at least 16 if memory serves me.  Not sure how many different sets of machines they currently use.

          Also ask and verify whether the same group of ballsets are used for both Cash 3 and Cash 4 drawings and you will find out that yes they are.

          Anyone expecting a triple in Cash 3 ...... can have it hit in Cash 4 due to rotating through the same group of ballsets.  Over the years I've watched as ballsets were increased in number which account for repeating numbers you're talking about .... happens due to number affinities which no one controls.

          Additionally Georgia performs pre and post drawing tests which are done like dry-runs-which-don't-count drawings.  No telling how many triples are logged in on those records.  I'm also given to understand that if someone goes into the lottery office they can request to see which ballsets and machines were used.  Would imagine pre and post testing results may also be available if you ask.

          When trying to pick Georgia Cash 3 or Cash 4 numbers for Georgia it is very helpful to look at both results side by side going back 7-10 days for indicators of what is likely to hit in the next couple of draws.

          I can't understand why people expect random drawings to be predictable. 

          The lotteries tell us they are having a random drawing. They show us a machine with 3 clear compartments where 3 sets of balls numbered 0-9 are mixing and swirling around by forced air that pretty much proves the drawing is random.

          "Call the Georgia Lottery Player Hotline and ask a representative how many ballsets they now use to perform Cash 3 drawings."

          At best they'll hear about some of the extraordinary measures taken to insure the drawings are random but they should have already known that. Even if they could spot a small irregularity in one of the ball sets, it's too late to get a bet in. They might tell them which ball set they used but don't know when it will use it again because they use a random drawing to choose the ball sets.  We don't want the lotteries selecting which numbers are drawn because they certainly won't be selecting the number we have a big bet on.

          Even random drawings follow probabilities and if 27% of possible numbers have double digits, over time 27% of the drawings will have double digits. This doesn't mean there will be 27 doubles in the next 100 draws. People will look back 100 draws and see that only 21 or 22 doubles were drawn and key on that as a playing strategy. Triples are the same but since there are less of them, it might take more time before the number of draws are almost equal to the probability.

          Though the number selection process is random, the drawings are predictable. If you look at all the 10 drawing periods, you might find one or two where all the 1st, 2nd, 3rd digits were drawn out of thousands. But in most of the 10 draw periods, 2 or 3 of the digits will be more frequent and because of cause and effect, 2 or 3 digits might not show at all.

          "When trying to pick Georgia Cash 3 or Cash 4 numbers for Georgia it is very helpful to look at both results side by side going back 7-10 days for indicators of what is likely to hit in the next couple of draws."

          The lottery employee bonuses are cause and effect too. The bonus gives them an extra reason to create things like a number search feature or frequency chart that helps current players and encourages new players. Why are the legislators and reporters questioning the bonuses when it's a win - win situation?

          Paying out a bonus means the profits are higher and more money for education. If the goals aren't reached, they saved on bonus but lost on the profits. Looks like a no brainer to me.