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Piqua lottery winners sued by co-workers

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Posted: December 26, 2008, 9:32 pm - IP Logged

It's a bit more f-ing difficult than you thought, and it took you less than 5 minutes to get it wrong. If you let me play in the pool for tonight's drawing and we win, some of that money is mine. Period. If that money is spent on tickets for the next drawing, I now own a portion of any winnings from that drawing. Period. Contracts are held to be invalid, in whole or in part, every day, and you've written one that would never hold up in court.

Allowing  people to choose to be in or out of individual draws in a "regular" pool  is begging for trouble almost as much as if you hadn't bothered with a written agreement in the first place. If the pool for the next drawing has different people than the pool for the previous drawing it *needs* to be treated as a completely new pool. The effect of that is that you've got to create a new pool for every drawing, which is pretty ridiculous. The sensible solution is to have a standing pool with the same memebrs for every drawing. You also need to collect the money far enough in advance that there is time to notify somebody that they have been dropped from the pool if they don't pay by the deadline. The proper way to notify them is by certified mail, along with a copy sent by certified mail to the pool administrator *before* any tickets are purchased. The copy to the administrator should be kept unopened in case  you find yourself in court with the ex-member who claims they  are entitled to a share.

You are probably right about that contract not being valid.  The mistake was using winnings from the previous drawing.

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    Posted: December 26, 2008, 10:11 pm - IP Logged

    You are probably right about that contract not being valid.  The mistake was using winnings from the previous drawing.

    What KY Floyd said and so did i It doesn't matter what is written on paper if someone wants to contest it they can period. Where big money is concerned in a lottery pool members of the pool can be disputed by anyone who has or think they have a claim in said pool. If they were in a previous pool and for some reason were left out of a future pool they might be bitter if the members of a pool won a jackpot and file a claim... it has happened many times before and it will happen many times again.

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      Posted: December 27, 2008, 12:38 am - IP Logged

      isnt it the losers of the court case have to pay legal fees?

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        Posted: December 27, 2008, 5:49 am - IP Logged

        isnt it the losers of the court case have to pay legal fees?

        Well from my limited knowledge of the court tv shows, which are just minor sums of money in comparison.  The judge usually only awards court costs if the people have a real reason to sue.  Like, they don't bear any of the burden at all.  Most recent example was a woman who was hit by a car that backed up to try to get to a gas station when it ran out of gas, but she was crossing in the middle of the street instead of at a cross walk so she was found 30% at fault.  Could be wrong, but the judge doesn't always award court costs or at least doesn't say so when they rule.  Plus court costs are..usually under 100 bucks in most of those cases.

         

        And legal fees in terms of lawyers, I think it's similar.  Where the people probably should have been able to settle it by themselves, they don't get the fees.  But say some big mega-corp does something that causes ongoing harm to people and fights it making absorbent legal fees, they will usually increase the damages to reflect lawyer costs.

         

        Im curious though, if the 15 people were to countersue for monetary damages in terms of interest lost while the money is tied up.  And/or legal fees for bringing a false suit against them.  Just wondering because you have to figure there's people out there in states that don't allow anonymity who don't think to take their winnings in a blind trust to hide their identity that probably get frivolous lawsuits on them all the time.  Like "They borrowed 5 bucks from me and bought those tickets!"  Or "I gave them money to buy tickets for me, that should have been my ticket!"  I mean people can sue for everything, but doing so causes the money to be withheld from the winnings until the cases is decided.  There should be some action to be taken.

         

        I remember a story about a lady who said she lost her ticket, and that the lady who claimed the money was lieing.  So when they finally looked at the tapes they found that the lady who claimed the money was infact the person there at the time the ticket was purchased...and they were going to charge the other with some sort of felony.

         

        After seeing my grandmother's estate go on for a year with lawyers and threats of lawsuit my aunt to my parents.  They could do virtually nothing back to her even though she was making false claim after false claim.  That kind of stress can kill, and even if you are 100% in the right...it still doesn't stop them from making your life a living hell for no other reason than to get paid off to stop...which is legal extortion.

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          Posted: December 27, 2008, 8:17 am - IP Logged

          I'll say it again, gambling should always be a solo endeavor.

          I Agree with you on that one.  If you do any type of gambling, definitely do it alone!  Sometimes, the only way people ever learn is if something like this directly happens to them.

          Smart lottery winners form trust to claim their winnings.  They send an attorney to the lottery headquarters to claim the prize in trust, so that ONLY the name of the trust is revealed.  And they tell NO ONE, especially relatives.

          If you ever win a lottery and you are single, the only person you should ever marry is someone who was truly in love with you BEFORE you won the jackpot!

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            I Agree with you on that one.  If you do any type of gambling, definitely do it alone!  Sometimes, the only way people ever learn is if something like this directly happens to them.

            Experience is the ability to  recognize a mistake, the second time you make it.

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              Posted: December 27, 2008, 10:57 pm - IP Logged

              This story illustrates to all lottery winners the importance remaining anonymous. Don't get mixed-up in syndicates, play as an individual or buy a subscription.


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                Posted: December 28, 2008, 1:46 am - IP Logged

                I am surprised by the number of people who say never join a pool whenever they see news of a lottery pool related lawsuit. Reminds me of a friend that never drove a car because he once read about a car accident.

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                  Posted: December 29, 2008, 9:33 pm - IP Logged

                  Attention, Elicia B.! Put your boxing gloves on and come to Piqua!!!

                  When I play in such a pool.. there are days when due to whatever reason I don't get to put in. I would hope if they won they'd share even if I missed it that drawing but I'd not sue them if they didn't.. it is their decision. Never promise anything about if you win; if you do they may hold you to it! Then ask, where were you when I was poor?

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                    Posted: December 29, 2008, 9:40 pm - IP Logged

                    Then ask, where were you when I was poor?

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                      Posted: December 30, 2008, 10:33 am - IP Logged

                      I don't know why they just didn't claim this prize through a blind trust Unhappy. You can do that here in Ohio.  I thought it was pretty weird (read as "not smart") that they were so open with their new found finances. The news even said they were consulting a lawyer before officially claiming their prize, so I was really excited for them.

                      Oh well...

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                        Posted: December 30, 2008, 4:04 pm - IP Logged

                        It wouldn't have matter if they did or not, they still probably would have been sued and exposed. Their co-workers would have certainly known, besides that's just too many people to keep something a secret.

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                          Posted: December 30, 2008, 5:10 pm - IP Logged

                          I agree with you, Barista, an agreement should be signed by each contributor every single time they play. I used to be in charge of a small lottery pool (4 people) at my old job. I used to make copies of the tickets purchased and a copy of the signed agreement every single time, and gave each one a copy of those. The actual tickets were securely locked up until after the draw. If there was a win, no matter how small it was, it was never rolled over into the next game. It was always evenly distributed among the four. We used to contribute $10.50 each for a total of $42.00 and were using Gail Howard's 18-number wheel. Every new play was independent of the last one. When we hit the lotto, second prize, we also distributed it evenly. We did this for about 5 months and would wait for the jackpot to be over $65,000 to place our bets. The pool ended when a couple of us decided to quit the job. We never had any problems.

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                            Posted: December 30, 2008, 5:36 pm - IP Logged

                            isnt it the losers of the court case have to pay legal fees?

                            Not as a rule, in America. The defendants would have to countersue for that.

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                              It wouldn't have matter if they did or not, they still probably would have been sued and exposed. Their co-workers would have certainly known, besides that's just too many people to keep something a secret.

                              Yep, I agree. There is no way they would have been able to hide their win from the people they work with. Gossip spreads and people talk. They would have found out.

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