Quick Links   You last visited January 21, 2021, 5:15 am All times shown are Eastern Time (GMT-5:00) | Bulgarian lottery repeat probed International: Bulgarian lottery repeat probedThe Bulgarian authorities have ordered an investigation after the same six numbers were drawn in two consecutive rounds of the national lottery. The numbers — 4, 15, 23, 24, 35 and 42 — were chosen by a machine live on television on 6 and 10 September. An official of the Bulgarian lottery said manipulation was impossible. A mathematician said the chance of the same six numbers coming up twice in a row was one in four million. But he said coincidences do happen. Minister of Physical Education and Sport Svilen Neykov said the commission established to investigate would provide answers towards the end of the week. The lottery organisers described it as a freak coincidence and pointed out that the numbers were drawn in a different order. Nobody won the top prize in the first draw. But a record 18 people guessed all six numbers in the 10 September draw. Each will win 10,164 leva (5,196 euros; $7,643). Thanks to erik braspenning for the tip. BBC
United States Member #13130 March 30, 2005 2171 Posts Offline | Interesting that people would bet on an exact repeat in a 6-ball drawing.  In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency. | | |
COLUMBUS,GA. United States Member #4924 June 3, 2004 6697 Posts Offline | Interesting that people would bet on an exact repeat in a 6-ball drawing.  I find it very hard to believe that 18 people would play the same numbers from the previous draw. Something smells, wonder if these 18 people knew each other? | | |
Massachusetts United States Member #37432 April 14, 2006 2747 Posts Offline | Fraud! Where the Interpol at?? | | |
adelaide sa Australia Member #37135 April 11, 2006 3340 Posts Offline | hmm he said the odds of same 6 numbers 2 in a row. must be a real small pool , 6 out of 42 or something. anyhow i bang on about playing last weeks numbers in the next weks draw, and do play em on our 7 from 45 game. no luck yet but this is encouraging news to me. " Still swinging, still missing " 2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 = -1171; 2017 = -1257 ; 2018 = - 1380 = TOT = - 6233 keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= -424; 2017 =-427; 2018= -223 TOT = -3968 : | | |
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mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 20272 Posts Offline | I find it very hard to believe that 18 people would play the same numbers from the previous draw. Something smells, wonder if these 18 people knew each other? I was looking at a few lotteries and playing the previous winning combination may be a better strategy than playing 1 2 3 4 5 6 which is a popular strategy in lotteries with a *small pool of numbers. For example: Playing the previous winning combination in the West Virgina Cash25 since it began on 02/06/90 would have matched 5/6 three times, 4/6 38 times and 3/6 316 times returning $1446 of the $2894 it cost to play. Playing 01 02 03 04 05 06 in the West Virgina Cash25 since it began on 02/06/90 would have matched 5/6 one time, 4/6 47 times and 3/6 291 times returning $1011 of the $2894 it cost to play. * I said small pool of numbers because in most lotteries the odds of a combination hitting once is usually more than 1/4M let alone hitting twice. * you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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New Jersey United States Member #21205 September 4, 2005 962 Posts Offline | Actually. if this was impossible, the probability of winning the lottery would be zero. | | |
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United States Member #13130 March 30, 2005 2171 Posts Offline | I find it very hard to believe that 18 people would play the same numbers from the previous draw. Something smells, wonder if these 18 people knew each other? ... 18 out of a population of about 8 milion or so.. playing the same 6 of 42 numbers.  If it's not a scam, some poor fortune cookie maker is gonna get it.  What I'd like to know is where did that ''mathematician" get one in four million from?  In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency. | | |
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Clarksville United States Member #487 July 15, 2002 17638 Posts Offline | If they think that is possible I got some "real estate" on Mars to sell them. the crooks (thieves) are at it again. It is called manipulation. If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT! You never know when you will get another hit. | | |
Columbia City, Indiana United States Member #2978 December 9, 2003 381 Posts Offline | "The numbers - 4, 15, 23, 24, 35 and 42 - were chosen by a machine live on television on 6 and 10 September."
The article doesn't state whether the "machine" is an RNG or a mechanical ball-type machine.
Does anyone know?
"An official of the Bulgarian lottery said manipulation was impossible."
This is the standard argument used by lotteries that draw their numbers electronically, and I'm also skeptical about the "mathematician's" figures. At minimum, the odds of identical numbers being drawn back-to-back would have to equal the 6-out-of-6 odds of the entire matrix, so even if it's just a 6/42 matrix like Colorado's Lotto, the odds against such an event would be at least 1 in 5,245,786. Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night... Jim | | |
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Way back up in them dadgum hills, son! United States Member #73902 April 28, 2009 14903 Posts Offline | "An official of the Bulgarian lottery said manipulation was impossible". So there, it's settled. Everyone knows you can't manipulate a computer and everyone knows there is no such thing as corrupt lottery officials. Case closed. I believe that. I also believe that the Brain Suckers from Mars are hiding under my bed. | | |
MD United States Member #1701 June 18, 2003 9681 Posts Offline | The article doesn't say the numbers were draw in the same exact order out of the machine if one was used the balls could have been draw the same but came out of the machine in a different order. As for 18 people playing the same numbers.... 18 people out of how many thousands of players Is feasible since many people sometimes play the previous numbers which were drawn. And some of those players might have played the same numbers who didn't bother to check the previous results. Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!! I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend. | | |
CA United States Member #2987 December 10, 2003 832 Posts Offline | The mathematician's math is a bit off. In a 6/42 lottery there is a 1::5,245,786 chance of any six-number combination being drawn, including a duplicate set of the previous draw. Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there..... Next week's convention for Psychics and Prognosticators has been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances. =^.^= | | |
NY United States Member #23834 October 16, 2005 4319 Posts Offline | I find it very hard to believe that 18 people would play the same numbers from the previous draw. Something smells, wonder if these 18 people knew each other? I think everybody here knows that 1,2,3,4,5,6 is an extremely popular combination, even though many other people think it's less likely to come up than other combinations. Plenty of people also think that the same numbers repeating again is less likely than any of the other combinations coming up, but whether it's 1,2,3,4,5,6, the numbers that came up in the last drawing, or any other combination you choose, they've all got the same odds. Plenty of people play numbers that are cold, thinking that they're due. Others play numbers that are hot, thinking they're more likely to come up. Playing the most recent set of winning numbers is just one way of playing numbers you think are hot. I'm a bit surprised it was only 18. My guess is that if we had the data from MM and PB we'd be seeing hundreds of people playing the numbers from the previous drawing. As for the odds, it's a 6/49 game, so the game odds are just under 1 in 14 million. I've got no idea where the 1 in 4 milion figure might have come from, but 1 in 14 million really isn't any more accurate just because those are the game odds. The drawings happen twice a week, and every drawing is another chance to repeat the numbers from the previous drawing. So far, there have been 3 drawings this month. There was a 1 in 14 million chance that the 2nd drawing would repeat the first, and there was a 1 in 14 million chance that the 3rd would repeat the second. That means there was a 1 in 7 million chance that either the 2nd or 3rd would repeat the previous one. With 104 drawings every year there are 103 chances to repeat the previous drawing, so the chances of this happening once in any given year is 103 in 14 million, or about 1 in 136,000. Now factor in another 99 lotteries in other countries and states, and it becomes 1 in 1,360. Then consider that people would still be surprised if the results had been a repeat of any result from the past year. At that point it's a foregone conclusion that there are going to be repeats. | | |
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