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Harry Reid pushing to legalize online poker for American casinos, horse tracks

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Posted: December 8, 2010, 3:13 pm - IP Logged

OMG, not the "Bush lied" crap again.  Why not just say "Clinton Lied", because Bush said exactly the same thing as Clinton.

In case you forget (which you seemed to), Bush entered office during a mild recession that started under Clinton (at the end of the dot-com bubble).  Bush lowered tax rates, which started a big economic recovery, and then we all enjoyed several years of prosperity.

Then, under the Democrat Congress that took control in 2006, the housing mess started, with Congress instructing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to give hundreds of thousands of home loans to people who could not afford them.  That, combined with the Community Reinvestment Act started under Carter, plus some extremely risky and poor behavior on the part of major Wall Street banks (most of which support Democrat candidates), blew up the economy in 2008.

Obama has nothing except make the situation worse, by putting the country into debt to the tune of an additional $3 trillion (at least) since he took office.

Instead of fixing the economy and finding ways to put the private sector back to work, he focused the majority of his time and effort on his horrid health care plan, which 70% of the country said they absolutely did not want.

People do not want to "hate him".  They just don't want a president that is trying to instantiate Socialism here.  They don't want a president that thrives on class envy and class warfare.  They want a president who loves capitalism, since it is responsible for creating the best, most prosperous country ever on this planet.

I'm not sure what will happen in 2012, but if Obama refuses to listen to the American people, he will probably suffer the same fate as Democrat congressional candidates in 2010.

Wrong-Bush lowered tax rates, which started a big economic recovery

Wrong-health care plan, which 70% of the country said they absolutely did not want

Total BS- They just don't want a president that is trying to instantiate Socialism here.  They don't want a president that thrives on class envy and class warfare.  They want a president who loves capitalism, since it is responsible for creating the best, most prosperous country ever on this planet.

 

Socialism..... Wow! you really took the cake with that one Todd. Better watch out for China the communist country, they are coming on strong!!! lol

Obviously you are a stark Republican as described by your talking points that resembles the Tea party and Glenn Back.

Whats the opposite of Socialism. Fascism (in the form of so-called capitalism)!!! 

Do you not know that 35 percent of the country's revenue goes to the top 2 percent of the wealthiest Americans. I guess not. 

I guess you prefer Fascism rather than socialism. Thats the reason why independents control the future of America. Because they know if one party rules too long it will either be Socialism or Fascism.

 

Going back to what I said before. Both parties are full of crooks in my view.

 

Class warfare!!! lol

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    I like the idea of online gambling, because quite simply Americans should be able to spend their money however they choose.

    I can't stand the whiners who come out saying "Wah, wah, wah, it will prey on the poor, etc., etc."  That's just plain silly.  If those people truly want to "help the poor", let them try to outlaw alcohol and tobacco first, because a lot more money is spent on those vices than gambling.  They choose gambling as their "evil product" for some odd reason.

    Anyway, the thing I DON'T like about what Harry Reid is doing is that he is attempting to pay back the big casinos ("big businesses") that funded his campaign, both through enormous donations as well as getting/forcing the union memberships to vote for him.

    His legislation is designed to ensure that existing poker Web sites are placed at a distinct DISadvantage vs. the Nevada casino corporations.  That's typical Harry Reid stuff.  Corrupt.

    Candidly, Barney Frank's legislation earlier this year was better.

    "Candidly, Barney Frank's legislation earlier this year was better."

    In this months PBA news letter I read that Reid was getting involved with the online gaming bill and my first thoughts were it was about the Nevada casinos getting a "piece of the action". It would be much simpler if Congress just passed legislation allowing all American business interests to get involved.

    This biggest problem I see with Reid's bill is that it might create a monopoly forcing U.S. players to only play in American run rooms. I play on the biggest poker site and they won't lose business when the bill is passed because right now there are very few U.S. players. The Senate should have discussed Frank's bill and voted up or down without adding anything.

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      Wrong-Bush lowered tax rates, which started a big economic recovery

      Wrong-health care plan, which 70% of the country said they absolutely did not want

      Total BS- They just don't want a president that is trying to instantiate Socialism here.  They don't want a president that thrives on class envy and class warfare.  They want a president who loves capitalism, since it is responsible for creating the best, most prosperous country ever on this planet.

       

      Socialism..... Wow! you really took the cake with that one Todd. Better watch out for China the communist country, they are coming on strong!!! lol

      Obviously you are a stark Republican as described by your talking points that resembles the Tea party and Glenn Back.

      Whats the opposite of Socialism. Fascism (in the form of so-called capitalism)!!! 

      Do you not know that 35 percent of the country's revenue goes to the top 2 percent of the wealthiest Americans. I guess not. 

      I guess you prefer Fascism rather than socialism. Thats the reason why independents control the future of America. Because they know if one party rules too long it will either be Socialism or Fascism.

       

      Going back to what I said before. Both parties are full of crooks in my view.

       

      Class warfare!!! lol

      Well, all I can say is that the majority of the voters in this country feel the same way I do.  You can label me as "BS" or whatever, but your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak. 

      I suggest being less of a cheerleader for your hero and more of a critical thinker.

      Edit: By the way, a political party would have to be the one in power to be called a "Fascist".  I guess you can say the Democrats have been the Fascists, since they have held all the levers of power for the past two years, but that's about it.  Maybe you should read by blog post about Fascism that I posted a couple years ago.  It may be instructive.

      2nd Edit: The country does not have revenue, at least not in this country.  Only individuals and corporations do.  It's called the "private sector".  The government has "taxes".  That's all outlined in a thing we call "The Constitution".  You should try reading it sometime.  It's a fairly brief document and a quick read.

       

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        "Candidly, Barney Frank's legislation earlier this year was better."

        In this months PBA news letter I read that Reid was getting involved with the online gaming bill and my first thoughts were it was about the Nevada casinos getting a "piece of the action". It would be much simpler if Congress just passed legislation allowing all American business interests to get involved.

        This biggest problem I see with Reid's bill is that it might create a monopoly forcing U.S. players to only play in American run rooms. I play on the biggest poker site and they won't lose business when the bill is passed because right now there are very few U.S. players. The Senate should have discussed Frank's bill and voted up or down without adding anything.

        I agree.

         

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          Wrong-Bush lowered tax rates, which started a big economic recovery

          Wrong-health care plan, which 70% of the country said they absolutely did not want

          Total BS- They just don't want a president that is trying to instantiate Socialism here.  They don't want a president that thrives on class envy and class warfare.  They want a president who loves capitalism, since it is responsible for creating the best, most prosperous country ever on this planet.

           

          Socialism..... Wow! you really took the cake with that one Todd. Better watch out for China the communist country, they are coming on strong!!! lol

          Obviously you are a stark Republican as described by your talking points that resembles the Tea party and Glenn Back.

          Whats the opposite of Socialism. Fascism (in the form of so-called capitalism)!!! 

          Do you not know that 35 percent of the country's revenue goes to the top 2 percent of the wealthiest Americans. I guess not. 

          I guess you prefer Fascism rather than socialism. Thats the reason why independents control the future of America. Because they know if one party rules too long it will either be Socialism or Fascism.

           

          Going back to what I said before. Both parties are full of crooks in my view.

           

          Class warfare!!! lol

          Wrong on Both Counts: Dictatorship!

          The ruler having absolute authority and supreme jurisdiction over everyone and everything!

          A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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            Wrong on Both Counts: Dictatorship!

            The ruler having absolute authority and supreme jurisdiction over everyone and everything!

            Thanks Raven, If they ever have a reason to declare martial law that is exactly what we will have.

            people are being stripped of their ability to stand on their own two feet and take care of themselves, to think for themselves.  sad really.

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              Well, all I can say is that the majority of the voters in this country feel the same way I do.  You can label me as "BS" or whatever, but your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak. 

              I suggest being less of a cheerleader for your hero and more of a critical thinker.

              Edit: By the way, a political party would have to be the one in power to be called a "Fascist".  I guess you can say the Democrats have been the Fascists, since they have held all the levers of power for the past two years, but that's about it.  Maybe you should read by blog post about Fascism that I posted a couple years ago.  It may be instructive.

              2nd Edit: The country does not have revenue, at least not in this country.  Only individuals and corporations do.  It's called the "private sector".  The government has "taxes".  That's all outlined in a thing we call "The Constitution".  You should try reading it sometime.  It's a fairly brief document and a quick read.

              Obviously, anyone who has read your two recent posts on this subject can determine where your political views resides. You played the victim card as described here "You can label me as "BS" or whatever, but your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak. " When in fact I never labeled you as "BS". That is a direct response to your opinion not YOU.

              Secondly, I never referred to anyone as my hero so I guess thats "your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak." lol

               

              Finally, in your first "edit" post you directly linked Fascist to Democrats which further determines where your political views reside. I suggest you look in the mirror. I also can determine you likely have never seen Capitalism a Love Story. Not that you are a critical thinker. We all to a fault many times determine what we want to hear and see consciously.

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                Obviously, anyone who has read your two recent posts on this subject can determine where your political views resides. You played the victim card as described here "You can label me as "BS" or whatever, but your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak. " When in fact I never labeled you as "BS". That is a direct response to your opinion not YOU.

                Secondly, I never referred to anyone as my hero so I guess thats "your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak." lol

                 

                Finally, in your first "edit" post you directly linked Fascist to Democrats which further determines where your political views reside. I suggest you look in the mirror. I also can determine you likely have never seen Capitalism a Love Story. Not that you are a critical thinker. We all to a fault many times determine what we want to hear and see consciously.

                Oy. Roll Eyes  Have a nice day.

                 

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                  Oy. Roll Eyes  Have a nice day.

                  Only a utopian who concocts fantastic plans for spreading medieval associations (such as the village community) to the whole of society can

                  ignore the fact that it is the “instability” of capitalism that is an enormously progressive factor, one which accelerates social development,

                  draws larger and larger masses of the population into the whirlpool of social life, compels them to ponder over its structure, and to “forge

                  their happiness” with their own hands.

                   

                  The “instability” of capitalism and the contradictions it engenders, and in their sincere desire to

                  eliminate these contradictions is Their failure to understand that this “instability” is

                  necessary feature  of all capitalism and commodity economy in general brought them to utopia.

                  Their failure to  understand the elements of progress inherent in this instability makes their

                  theories reactionary.

                   

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                    Obviously, anyone who has read your two recent posts on this subject can determine where your political views resides. You played the victim card as described here "You can label me as "BS" or whatever, but your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak. " When in fact I never labeled you as "BS". That is a direct response to your opinion not YOU.

                    Secondly, I never referred to anyone as my hero so I guess thats "your inability to throw out any facts (like I did) makes your nasty-worded comments hollow and weak." lol

                     

                    Finally, in your first "edit" post you directly linked Fascist to Democrats which further determines where your political views reside. I suggest you look in the mirror. I also can determine you likely have never seen Capitalism a Love Story. Not that you are a critical thinker. We all to a fault many times determine what we want to hear and see consciously.

                    I Agree!Completely this is something that they fail to see .

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                      I Agree!Completely this is something that they fail to see .

                      "Keep your government hands off my government healthcare". People are so naive and stupid these days. They work so hard from young to old without never realizing what is happenening right in front of them. Its called the Status-Quo. If you let someone tell you that its wrong for you to get something you have paid for like unemployment insurance, you are therefore a detriment to society. Republicans are now trying to put Social Security in their back pockets. Its rediculous. Democrats are trying to tell us we have to purchase something or jail time. They both are crooks as I've said before.

                       

                      The untold message delivered is that there is no Government. There is the Supreme Justices. There is the CIA. There is the FBI. There is the War machine. There is the trilateral takeover of the world as described in the Assange case who uncover many of these crooks. 

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                        To me, it's not really ONLINE play if the CASINOS only have it. True ONLINE would be from home via the internet. The problem is you don't know who's on the other end and if the whole thing is computerized (a familiar word here) then you don't know if you have fair odds.

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                          "Candidly, Barney Frank's legislation earlier this year was better."

                          In this months PBA news letter I read that Reid was getting involved with the online gaming bill and my first thoughts were it was about the Nevada casinos getting a "piece of the action". It would be much simpler if Congress just passed legislation allowing all American business interests to get involved.

                          This biggest problem I see with Reid's bill is that it might create a monopoly forcing U.S. players to only play in American run rooms. I play on the biggest poker site and they won't lose business when the bill is passed because right now there are very few U.S. players. The Senate should have discussed Frank's bill and voted up or down without adding anything.

                                                                                                       I Agree!

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                            To me, it's not really ONLINE play if the CASINOS only have it. True ONLINE would be from home via the internet. The problem is you don't know who's on the other end and if the whole thing is computerized (a familiar word here) then you don't know if you have fair odds.

                            I was thrown by that too.  After reading and re-reading, I think it is intended to be truly online (over the Internet), but the licensing is something that casinos and horse tracks can do.  Does anyone have a different take on this?

                             

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                              I was thrown by that too.  After reading and re-reading, I think it is intended to be truly online (over the Internet), but the licensing is something that casinos and horse tracks can do.  Does anyone have a different take on this?

                              My first impression was this for, Poker , horses and slots.....

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