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Disputed $50M lottery jackpot partially paid out

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sully16's avatar - sharan
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Posted: February 16, 2011, 8:13 am - IP Logged

This is why you draw up the rules before you get the money. After the rules are drawn, you get every individual to sign, especially if it states if money is not in by certain time, their portion would go to the rest who paid their due.

Without a good foundation the pool will likely cause what you're seeing in Canada.

Yep, don't just say the rules, write and sign the rules, I would even get it notorized.

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For a lead role in a cage?

 

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    Posted: February 16, 2011, 8:26 am - IP Logged

    All I can say it document...document...document....

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      Posted: February 16, 2011, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

      i agree document document     i just started a pool with 6 family memebers   we go out to eat every friday. I have a log book, each person signs there own name and $ amount. when i see them the next friday they all get a copy of who put in along with a copy of the tickets that was purchased with the money.and the original ticket is stabled next to the names.

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        Posted: February 16, 2011, 5:51 pm - IP Logged

        I never, ever play in a lottery pool & I never, ever promise anyone a share of a lottery prize!

         

        Not greedy, but just smart!

         

        Cool

         

        Oh, and this happened in "perfect" Canada!

        I Agree!  It is best to play alone! With a large group like that your winnings will be cut very short. I guess people would rather play for a house or a new car instead of financial riches.Bat

          savagegoose's avatar - ProfilePho
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          Posted: February 16, 2011, 7:07 pm - IP Logged

          you know do woe only ever get the bad side of these pools go bad stories?

          cuz im begining to think maybe i shouldnt play in a pool.

           

          maybe there are lots of good ones out there that never hit the news?

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          keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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            Posted: February 16, 2011, 7:16 pm - IP Logged

            they not entitle to nothing if you did not put any money in the pool

            they gets nothing, and if you spent your money u should look and see if your name is on the

            list, and also every one who name on the list should have a copy of the ticket  that was purchase,

            so on win day we will all  know who is entitle to a piece of the $50. Million, not becausae that group win and we  all work there  we all entitle to a piece of that $50.00 Million,  Hell to the no. You want a piece u Pay your $1.00 like everyone else..And that  is my 2 cents....I Agree!

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              Posted: February 16, 2011, 7:27 pm - IP Logged

              This is the reason why i play by my self

               when i win it will all belongs to me and only

              me, and i do as i like with it, this mess dont make no sense...

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                Posted: February 17, 2011, 2:45 am - IP Logged

                "I am going to first make a contract and make sure that it is legal for me to add a clause that says in the case of a dispute, the director (me), can determine if somebody is entitled to anything."

                I'll save you some trouble. No.

                It's not quite that black and white, but that's the assumption you should be working with. One thing I can promise is that a contract doesn't apply to somebody who didn't sign it, so if somebody outside of the group claims they're entitled to a share you need some other way to establish that they aren't. How hard is it to cover the rules for something as simple as a few people chipping in to buy some tickets on a regular basis? AFAIK, virtually all disputes have been because there wasn't a written contract. Put it all in writing, make sure all money is collected and all decisons  made well in advance of  each ticket purchase, and don't ever make exceptions to the written rules.

                "it would seem prudent for those who choose to play the lottery as a group to have a lawyer draft up an air tight agreement and terms of inclusion.  I say this because it seems as though the problem that arise stem from when people take time off from work..."

                In the scheme of things a couple of hundred for a lawyer isn't much for a group that could easily spend a grand or more in a year, but I really don't think it's that hard to cover the bases on your own. If you know the most likely problem is payment from people who aren't at work, you know enough to cover that in the contract. I see a lot of references to people collecting money a day or two ahead of time, and I'm baffled. As long as the group is completely willing to front money and include missing members that's workable, but how hard is it to cough up the money two or three weeks before the planned purchase? If you think you can legally exclude somebody for non-payment you should allow plenty of time to deliver a certified letter informing them that, per the contractual rules, they're being dropped.

                "they not entitle to nothing if you did not put any money in the pool"

                What they're entitled to depends on the contractual obligations of all parties, not whether or not they paid on time. A written contract should cover payment issues, but not all contracts are written. If a group without a written contract has put up money for regular members or collected after the fact when a regular member is sick, on vacation, etc. they may have established an obligation to continue to do so. They've definitely invited an expensive lawsuit by the member who didn't pay in time.

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                  Posted: February 18, 2011, 3:33 am - IP Logged

                  its a good thing for 99.99% of us that we'll never know

                  ...

                  o wait  that sucks

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                  keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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                    Posted: February 26, 2011, 7:54 pm - IP Logged

                    I have played in pools in the past but I was totally uncomfortable because even going into it I could anticipate problems based on who some of my coworkers were, even though we had the group play form filled out and each person signed their own name etc. And then there were those who opted to not participate and for a couple of them I thought, I bet if we win they will try to challenge it and say they did put money in when they didn't. I doubt I will play in a pool again unless I really feel I can trust the other people in it and everything is documented and witnessed.

                    After all the bad press OLG has gotten I'm glad they now investigate more thoroughly than in the past. If those other Bell employees are not rightfully due a share though they are pretty dumb for trying to claim this jackpot.... one day maybe they will actually win for real and OLG will delay paying out because they are already on file for fraudulently trying to claim a share of another jackpot.

                    The truth will come out as it always does!