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Posted: June 1, 2011, 2:12 pm - IP Logged

"I didn't read anything about Mr. Joshi's religious beliefs and I am pretty sure the dominant religion in Nepal is Hinduism, not Islam."

I believe the predominate religion in Nepal is Buddhist, but religion is not  a factor unless Joshi's religion has a "thou shalt steal" commandment.

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"Hinduism is the major religion of Nepal. In the 1991 census, approximately 89.5 percent of the Nepalese people identified themselves as Hindus. Buddhists and Muslims comprised 5.3 and 2.7 percent, respectively. The remainder followed other religions, including Christianity"

-South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation


I understand this is 20 year old data, and there very well may be more Buddhists per capita since then, but I doubt it's still enough to overtake that huge margin.

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    I Agree! ttech10.  The TX Lottery Commission (they have the available funds) should have paid Mr. Willis the remaining $355K two years ago.  It would have been strong press for them advertising that though the ticket back wasn't filled out by Mr. Willis, they have chosen to support the law enforcement and judicial court's proof of theft.  However, maybe there are so many cases of unregistered clerk theft, just like this, that they can't set this as a precedence.

    Now, with all the work the lawyers did, Mr. Willis would require tens of thousands of dollars more to reimburse his lawyers.  What a sad, painful, and frustrating retirement time.

    This would be a dangerous precedent to set as it would open the door for many frivolous lottery claims.  You would probably have people camping out around lottery headquarters anytime they read that on the website that a $200K powerball or $250K Mega ticket was purchased from their neck of the woods.  When they see person arriving at lottery office to claim winnings, they could concoct a story of how they lost the ticket and saw that particular person scavenging around in the area of where they lost the ticket.  I think the way things are currently are nice and simple...each ticket is a bearer instrument.  You bear it, you won it.  You don't have it, you're out of luck unless through the investigative work it is revealed you were the likely purchaser of said ticket.  But I don't think I would want to leave such a matter up to the wonders of lottery HQ investigations.

    It is also unrealistic to have every clerk register with the lottery due to the high turnover of such a job.  Beside, what would it serve in doing that since any clerk and even the store owner can still purchase tickets and if they win, claim the prize.

    Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

    The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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      Posted: June 1, 2011, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

      "I do think they have a good argument in that they're not responsible for lost/stolen tickets. "

      They have a rock solid argument that they're not responsible. Willis voluntarily handed a bearer instrument to somebody and let that person make his decisions for him. Lottery tickets are just like cash. It's too bad Wilis was ripped off, but he's either confused about who's to blame, or he's willing to steal from the people of Texas to replace what was stolen from him.

      "the Texas Lottery acted irresponsible by not having the amount won by the player visible in plain sight to the customer"

      Don't forget everybody in line behind the customer. I guess you've decided it's a good idea to tell as many people as possible  every time somebody wins a lottery prize?

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         Crazy, on behalf of all southerners, I apologise profoundly, we have a few crazy eggs in the nest. Do ignore them, please.See Ya!

        Thank you sandia but you don't have to apologize for Mr. greeneye. I was born in the same state that he's representing on LP, Charlotte, North Carolina, and I was raised virtually my entire life in Georgia. I am proud of my southern heritage, and if I ever win the lotto, I'll be moving back to Georgia for good. It's just that folks from up north become irritably condescending when I tell them how Georgia forever stays on my mind. And it's because of this relatively small minority of ignorant people (whom unfairly become the representation of the south for the rest of the U.S.) that do nothing to uplift the already naive image of our region. I am Korean American, so I am used to it after growing up around the racism, but I've met enough fine folks such as yourself to understand that I shouldn't let the few bad peaches spoil the whole cobbler pie.

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          Posted: June 1, 2011, 3:35 pm - IP Logged

          Did McDonalds corp pay that old lady many years ago millions of dollars for the spilled hot coffee or did the owners of a McDonalds fanchise where it actually happened?

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            "Hinduism is the major religion of Nepal. In the 1991 census, approximately 89.5 percent of the Nepalese people identified themselves as Hindus. Buddhists and Muslims comprised 5.3 and 2.7 percent, respectively. The remainder followed other religions, including Christianity"

            -South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation


            I understand this is 20 year old data, and there very well may be more Buddhists per capita since then, but I doubt it's still enough to overtake that huge margin.

            After I posted that I wondered if I confused Nepal with Tibet and it looks like I did. Thanks!

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              If this went to trial and I was on the jury, I would vote to give Mr. Willis NOTHING unless and until it was recovered from the clerk.

              IMO, he has no case against the Lottery.  If I'm not mistaken, I saw a story that said it was the Lottery that contacted Mr. Willis and determined that he had purchased the winning ticket.  If they hadn't followed up on a tip from other employees of the store, Willis would still be in the dark about having lost $1mil.  I would say the Lottery has gone above and beyond for Mr. Willis.  If he can't wait for the money to be recovered from the clerk, he should sue the store.  The clerk worked for the store not the Lottery.

               

              Sign your tickets!!!

               

              I just wonder who the IRS gave credit for the taxes that were paid?

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                "I do think they have a good argument in that they're not responsible for lost/stolen tickets. "

                They have a rock solid argument that they're not responsible. Willis voluntarily handed a bearer instrument to somebody and let that person make his decisions for him. Lottery tickets are just like cash. It's too bad Wilis was ripped off, but he's either confused about who's to blame, or he's willing to steal from the people of Texas to replace what was stolen from him.

                "the Texas Lottery acted irresponsible by not having the amount won by the player visible in plain sight to the customer"

                Don't forget everybody in line behind the customer. I guess you've decided it's a good idea to tell as many people as possible  every time somebody wins a lottery prize?

                "the Texas Lottery acted irresponsible by not having the amount won by the player visible in plain sight to the customer"

                I did start with "anyone can sue anybody for anything" and that's one example of something the plaintiff might use. I'm not making an argument, just discussing some possibilities.

                This case will begin with the fact the Texas Lottery declared Willis the ticket owner when paid him the remainder of the winnings and they'll probably will throw in many things like the clerk being the only one seeing the value of the ticket when it's validated. They might have a parade of witnesses saying they were riped off by clerks too.

                I'm not making any guesses how this jury should or will rule, but considering a jury ruled McDonalds was negligent for several million because a woman put hot coffee between her legs while driving and eating a sandwich, an out-of-court settlement may be the wiser choice.

                "I guess you've decided it's a good idea to tell as many people as possible  every time somebody wins a lottery prize?"

                State lotteries do have a screen facing the customer showing the value of the ticket so it's obviously a good idea in some states.

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                  Posted: June 1, 2011, 4:44 pm - IP Logged

                  The Texas Lottery shouldn't have to pay this guy's winnings. Winners need to sign their tickets! If the Texas Lottery pays this winner back, a precedent has been set for all Lotteries and these types of retailer fraud stories will come up even more than they do now. Sorry Willis, keep playing...maybe you'll win $1,000,000 again!

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                    Posted: June 1, 2011, 5:43 pm - IP Logged

                    I Agree! And might I add...at that time, sign your ticket before handing it to the clerk!

                    Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                    The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                      Posted: June 1, 2011, 6:00 pm - IP Logged

                      There was a some what similar case in Ohio a few years ago when Ohio had Buckeye5 which paid $100K per winning ticket and had a cap of $1M if there were more than 10 winners and it was printed on the back of each play slip. 

                      A player bought 20 lines of the same combinations and won and had to share $1M with another player only getting 20/21 of $1M.  He sued claiming the retailer hadn't made him aware of the $1M cap or he wouldn't have bought 20 lines of the same numbers so the lottery and the retailer should pay him the difference of what he won and the $2M he thought he deserved. 

                      The court ruled players had a reasonable responsible to know the rules and to protect their own interests if they played lottery games.

                      If anyone is responsible for Willis lost, it's the store owner who hired the dishonest clerk but I'm sure any insurance he carries doesn't cover that.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        i agree with tabtastic, if these lazy beeps don't even want to check to see if they won, and waste the clerk time Checking losers, they should get off their lazy beep and sign the back

                        the only time you don't sign the back when you hand your ticket to a owner human being and it leaves your view

                        , is when  winning a major jackpot, to form a trust to stay out of public eye

                        only hand a ticket unsigned to a lawyer who claim it for you, and for god sakes get something like your iphone 4 out and record it, and make him admit he taking temp ownership of what he belives to be a winning ticket of said jackpot. for x trust  as a truste,  a lawyer being paid a ton of money has no issue with going on video for your own records .

                         

                        besides that sign the ticket idea for major wins

                        , clerk can sure rip you off for small wins thro! so always check the ticket your self   

                        , but if their so lazy as not to check winners, at lest no one , but someone named the Same as you "your evil clone" can claim it at a lottery office for major wins think 600+  bucks in must case's

                        . i guest the fact is, clerks ever day around this nation, sadly abuse these retarded people who play the lottery,  not checking or putting any real effort to see if they won these people get robbed and their very little we can do to prevent stupid people form being robbed blind,  stupid just can't be fixed its a curse stuck with majority of humanity in 1 form or the other LOL.

                         

                         

                        and i don't buy the "   i don't understand how the game works crap",         its on the ticket how, ever lottery website has online website with how to sometimes, Hell ,when their lost, their always lottery post, they can scan the ticket, post a scaned phote of it online, or link to game on lotter website, ask us for help even!

                        say they don't understand whatever X means, and am sure their be people to help them understand ,  or they could always ask help of humans next to them in real life,  form people they trust how said game works

                         

                         

                        the fact is, this guy was a lazy idiot, and so is ever other player who gets robbed majority of the time, 

                        want to be a lazy person, and a idiot not to sign your ticket,  will you just got robbed blind thanks to it.  he should of signed the ticket, and lottery should stop being so nice, i also think the legal court in this nation have a major flaw in lawsuits being allowed at all.

                        if anyone sues you, and they LOSE they should Have to pay for your defence, you did not wrong and had to pay for your defence! and wasted your personal time

                        its wrong in so many ways for this player who got robbed to sue the lottery office, it was hes mistake, hes idioticness that made him lose that money, the lottery should not have to pay a peny in legal costs defending them selfs in court vs this guy and hes greedy lawyer. wrongly taking it out on lottery office

                        at lest they discovered the fact Atfer it was claimed, and letted him know a crime taken place,and even got a little cash back thanks to law enforcement doing their job and frezzing whatever money they could find.

                         

                        if anything hes a ungrateful son of a beep to that lottery, it was hes mistake and hes alone,  if anyone walks in to lottery office with a unclaimed winning ticket for a major prize, and he signed it,or it was not signed, then ya he may of stealed it, but lottery must pay

                         

                        if anything,  the theft was a idiot, i know how clerks can get away with stealing a major pb.mm winner.

                        use the same trick people use to remain anonymous , lucky thefts don't have brains as big as their evil morals.

                        my fear,1 day some idiot see a major jackpot , ether does not check the ticket right and thro it away. lose's it" then all that jackpot prize pool the states claim for them selfs atfer x time runs out and we players just been robbed 100s of millions  when a major pb/mm jackpot  prize unclaimed should be put back first thing into next jackpot roll!

                        , or just blindly gives it to wrong clerk ,  sense hes a trusting person and knew to playing the lottery, hands the clerk hes ticket,    he only buyed thanks to long lines, etc major amount marketed 300m + or something catched hes eyes to it for first time,      and the clerk knows winner was sold near by or their , and omfg luck would have it, he gets hes hand on it form the real winner,

                        gets the winner, scans  say a 2/3 buck winner  , just 1  pb/mm  match winner ticket,  he didn't cash in yet, ,tricking the newb player with term going you Won ,  going congrats you won. something,  and that player leaves thinking sweet i won something!, walks away being 100% clueless he just got robbed insane amount of money.

                        then said thef clark, gets a lawyer, hides behind many trust's  being anonymously , and sense using many diff trust's  tactic, a trust within a trust etc, not even lottery would know, the irs would , that's about it, who really getting all that money.  and the beeps get away stock free

                        lottery sure asks when did you buy the ticket, and all the lawyer has to say is my cilent told me he buyed many diff tickets thro out the week, each time he seen the jackpot get upped" as major jackpots do" and is not sure when said ticket was buyed form all the others

                        sense they  lowball high jackpots , and up it thro out a 300+ run thro out the week, this would be easy to do, and lottery has to go with it, and they can't have real names of even the winner, as their having to play by their own rules of talking to the lawyer who just handed them the legit winner , demending he and hes cilent get their jackpot, their not going to force the issue of proof, other then making sure the ticket legit.  and not signed , so they have to give it to the lawyer, or their ass will be in court.

                         

                         

                        in short, a clerk really can get away with it, must do on small amounts, and the only thing really effectice on stopping it, is if ever lottery state puts in self scaner at ever outlet that sells tickets, , 1 it save everyone time, even the clerks checking LOSER tickets, and then they only have to brother with cashing winners majority of the time, and theft goes down, time saved etc, everyone wins

                        but to ever lottery seller has a self ticket scanner that's  their in the open, easy as hell to use, just quick self scan term, with a you won sound and amount or tells you to go to HQ on it, you won big time,  , we are going to have this issue of repeat clerk theft form dumb players happening

                         

                        for god sakes i hope this madness ends, and a pb.mm winner never is a clerk who theft, as that would be right up their as all the state lottery's keeping the prize pool of say 100+ cash form a pb/mm jackpot that went unclaimed for them selfs, then rerolling the amount back INTO the next jackpot draw. sense the dumb player lost hes winning jackpot ticket/destoryed it whatever, dog ate IT rofl/

                        hell the only time someone has a right in my mind to go to Law court and sue the lottery

                        is if you say won PB/MM and their was 2 winning tickets ,  you claimed your share in time, , but the idiot with the other winning ticket Didn't claim at all, time ran out

                        and I think, regardless of what the lottery rules are and try to get away with, , as you are the  Only claime of said major jackpot, that other 50% that was not claimed, Belongs rightful to you and not back to , and not the states, that's the only time i think you could legit go to a court, and the jury would Hand you the other 50% share, 

                        hell i even bet the lottery would try to get away with it, but would settle  must likly  and give you the other half even, IF you was not going for it, Demanded your 100% share if no one claimed by you!

                        and taken them to court for other 50% share of whatever major jackpot, the greedy beeps are trying to keep them selfs, they know its bad press the sec the lottery winner takes them to court over it.

                        as the lottery knows , so do the people in the jury know bullcrap  greed  the sec they tryed to steal your rightful jackpot form you and They know rightful ownership when they see it


                        as the jury would see it as, will he was the only one that claimed it, he rightful won, he should get all the jackpot then,and   they think to them selfs " if i was in hes shoes, i want full jackpot TOO" , if the other ticket winner never claimed,i should get that full jackpot

                         

                        my point being, is in my head, i know the lottery people , and their ways are not perfact,       like i listed above, they really think they have a Right to unclaimed major wins,  would try to steal a unclaimed jackpot of pb/mm of 300+ if given the chance

                        if it went unlciamed by a major winner who never cashed it in time

                        but in this case, it was player being a idiot, and not the lottery idiotic ways of not having a ticket checker in ever ticket  outlet in clear view, Check your tickets here, "save us all Time you lazy beeps" i like to add but never go on such signs,  , the lottery should not never even have to pay for legal defence vs this bs lawsuit form this guy, and if their ever a jury on this issue, should 100% side with lottery as they did what they had to,  the theft had winning ticket, as hes story did have odd/redish flags, that made them later review store video, and find out a major theft has taken place, they Had to pay the winning ticket that appeared at time of claiming to now belong to what we know as the theft in this case.  and legal costs for this bs lawsuit should lay with lawsuite and hes lawyer paying for the lottery legal defence,

                        i sure think lawsuits are nonething but act's financial Terrorist agiant people and company's when everyone with a brain"i like to think" knows  whatever lawsuit about just bs

                        its thanks to united states ways that we created a form of financial Terror anyone can do to a other human being who does not deserve it.

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                          The deli I buy my tickets from has not fixed their ticket scanner (the one that bypasses the clerk) for almost a year now, and I'm just wondering if it's because they want to check everybody's ticket for obvious reasons. One time I handed the clerk one of my $5 QP tickets and she proceeded to scan it. However, I was watching the lotto screen, waiting for "Sorry not a winner" or something else pop up like I've seen it do before. I heard it beep, but no message came up, and she told me it wasn't a winner. I was expecting her to hand me the ticket back, but she just smiled at me and I kinda wussed out and walked away. That was the first and last time I let them scan it for me because I generally scan my own tickets or check them on USAMega. Do you think I'm just paranoid? Has anyone else had a store where the check-it-yourself scanner was broken for prolonged periods of time? It just says "offline" but it's still powered on, so I'm assuming it's just disconnected from the central lotto computer. I think I'm going to ask the clerks or owners why it's not working tomorrow when I get some self-picks...

                          The deli I buy my tickets from has not fixed their ticket scanner (the one that bypasses the clerk) for almost a year now

                          I don't know if it will help anything but you could try writing your state's lottery comission. They might end up contacting the place telling them they need to get it fixed or face some type of consequence. It couldn't hurt anything.

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                            This would be a dangerous precedent to set as it would open the door for many frivolous lottery claims.  You would probably have people camping out around lottery headquarters anytime they read that on the website that a $200K powerball or $250K Mega ticket was purchased from their neck of the woods.  When they see person arriving at lottery office to claim winnings, they could concoct a story of how they lost the ticket and saw that particular person scavenging around in the area of where they lost the ticket.  I think the way things are currently are nice and simple...each ticket is a bearer instrument.  You bear it, you won it.  You don't have it, you're out of luck unless through the investigative work it is revealed you were the likely purchaser of said ticket.  But I don't think I would want to leave such a matter up to the wonders of lottery HQ investigations.

                            It is also unrealistic to have every clerk register with the lottery due to the high turnover of such a job.  Beside, what would it serve in doing that since any clerk and even the store owner can still purchase tickets and if they win, claim the prize.

                            Yea that's why I was saying it's a tough situation.

                            It has been declared that Willis is the true owner of the ticket and he has been awarded money for it from the winnings given to Joshi. There's also the issue that the lottery commission has to protect their rule of the ticket being a bearer instrument and whosever name is on it is the owner. Of course this case has the fact it's been proven Joshi stole the ticket.

                            I guess this could have been prevented if the lottery made sure that Joshi was the true owner of the ticket by reviewing the stores cameras for when the ticket was purchased they could see a customer was there at the counter at the time and that Joshi himself was a cashier who has the opportunity to take someone elses ticket. I'm not going to blame him for not putting his name on the ticket because how many of us don't put our names on the ticket because we want to claim via a trust? With a name you're stuck claiming without any privacy. If Texas allowed anonymous claiming then yea it would allow everyone to write their name on the back to prevent situations like this, but that's not the case.

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                              Is there a law against someone who's not overly intelligent playing the lottery?

                              Do they prohibit people with low IQ's from playing?

                              The answer to both questions is no.

                               

                              If the state isn't going to pay this less than intelligent person simply because he acted less than intelligent, they should start requiring IQ tests to play the lottery.

                              That money was rightfully his and the state should give it to him and go after that filthy Nepalese dirtbag themselves.

                               

                              I read about Willis and saw him on the news. I like the guy. I would slam beers and tell tall tales with him.

                              Yeah, he ain't the smartest knife in the light bulb drawer and he was guilty of being too trusting and vulnerable but he trusted the Texas Lottery Commission to do the right thing and be fair and honest. But they didn't and they're not. One of their representatives ripped him off.

                              Texas oughta do the right thing and give him his dam money.


                                                                           
                                                   
                                                                       

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                                                                                                                 

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