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Posted: June 1, 2011, 10:40 pm - IP Logged

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    Posted: June 1, 2011, 10:47 pm - IP Logged
    how will giving him hes stolen winnings  in court effect future of prize pool  that's shared among effective  all winners of whatever game?
    why should he get hes ticket winning amount share twice compared to other winners fair share once?
    it was he own fault for not signing the ticket is it not?
    the sec people Don't have to be rightfully intelligent when handleing bearer instruments of cash prizes, will that not result in uttter chaos of endless lawsuits?
    will that not result in people now  can claim in court, i don't have to take personal responsibility for my mistakes?
    is that the right thing to do in your mind?
    it's a free country , why/how would we need a IQ test to buy things in a free country?
    would that not  effect peoples freedom to Waste/spend their money as they like?
    this Guy had the freedom to play, he also had the freedom to make mistakes yes?
    he made the mistake of giving a winning ticket away, why should he not have to suffer the consequences/pain resutling of that mistake?
    the fact is he got scamed out of hes winnings right?
    so are you for other people paying for other people mistakes? a bailout in essence?
    is that not what lottery players in texas be doing for this guy?
    am trying to get to root idea's behind your thinking, that why their so many questions.

    somehow prevented? , how can you prevent  a stupid person getting their tickets stolen bya  clerk?

    how would that stop clerks From Never scaning the winning ticket when handed over by "stupid" player ?
    could not the clerk just slip it aside? , so their no trance of a record of him  having  been handed  and scaned the winner when he worked their scanning tickets?
    . but instands scans a decoy ticket thus pulls a fast one on said  real winner and leaveing no trance for lottery to follow?

    and if they instand review who buyed the ticket when it was first sold?    how would that prevent anything also?
    how would that effect payouts to other's who buy tickets for groups or others?
    would that not demand people can no longer claim as anonymous via  trust and having some else "lawyer" claim it on their behalf?
    if the lottery demands video proof also   match the claimer of said winning ticket?
    would that not defeat the idea of lottery ticket being  a bearer instruments also?
    i don't see the logic  in how the lottery could of prevented not paying this guy in a timing matter as they did
    this massive cluster f$%kup that's for sure and i agree with you its  a tough situation.
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      Posted: June 1, 2011, 10:51 pm - IP Logged

      I too saw his story on tv and to be honest, I felt bad for him.

      I realize he did not follow "procedure" and that is his mistake alone.

      You know what tho?

      Back in the day, before I became hip to the fact that there were dishonest, ahole clerks out there, well....

      I used to hand my tickets over w/a smile on my face, just asking if I was a winner......

      Call me trusting....call me dumb...it is what it was!

      Guess I could have potentially been one of those winners......that never even knew it! LOL

      No worries tho, I got it now :-)

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        Posted: June 1, 2011, 11:28 pm - IP Logged
        how will giving him hes stolen winnings  in court effect future of prize pool  that's shared among effective  all winners of whatever game?
        why should he get hes ticket winning amount share twice compared to other winners fair share once?
        it was he own fault for not signing the ticket is it not?
        the sec people Don't have to be rightfully intelligent when handleing bearer instruments of cash prizes, will that not result in uttter chaos of endless lawsuits?
        will that not result in people now  can claim in court, i don't have to take personal responsibility for my mistakes?
        is that the right thing to do in your mind?
        it's a free country , why/how would we need a IQ test to buy things in a free country?
        would that not  effect peoples freedom to Waste/spend their money as they like?
        this Guy had the freedom to play, he also had the freedom to make mistakes yes?
        he made the mistake of giving a winning ticket away, why should he not have to suffer the consequences/pain resutling of that mistake?
        the fact is he got scamed out of hes winnings right?
        so are you for other people paying for other people mistakes? a bailout in essence?
        is that not what lottery players in texas be doing for this guy?
        am trying to get to root idea's behind your thinking, that why their so many questions.

        somehow prevented? , how can you prevent  a stupid person getting their tickets stolen bya  clerk?

        how would that stop clerks From Never scaning the winning ticket when handed over by "stupid" player ?
        could not the clerk just slip it aside? , so their no trance of a record of him  having  been handed  and scaned the winner when he worked their scanning tickets?
        . but instands scans a decoy ticket thus pulls a fast one on said  real winner and leaveing no trance for lottery to follow?

        and if they instand review who buyed the ticket when it was first sold?    how would that prevent anything also?
        how would that effect payouts to other's who buy tickets for groups or others?
        would that not demand people can no longer claim as anonymous via  trust and having some else "lawyer" claim it on their behalf?
        if the lottery demands video proof also   match the claimer of said winning ticket?
        would that not defeat the idea of lottery ticket being  a bearer instruments also?
        i don't see the logic  in how the lottery could of prevented not paying this guy in a timing matter as they did
        this massive cluster f$%kup that's for sure and i agree with you its  a tough situation.
        "he made the mistake of giving a winning ticket away, why should he not have to suffer the consequences/pain resutling of that mistake?"
         
         
        Long story short, Joshua.
        Your above question strikes at the heart of the whole issue.
        He didn't give the ticket away.
        He gave it to someone acting as an agent of the lottery.
        They stole it from him and left the country.
         
        The lottery should have to suffer the consequences.
         
        The store should have to suffer the consequences.
         
        The thief should have to suffer the consequences.
         
        Not the guy who paid the money for the ticket in good faith thinking he actually stood a chance of winning a prize as they promised.
         
        The lottery recommends that you sign your ticket but there is no stipulation or rule that says you must.
         
        He acted in good faith and paid in good faith.
         
        Their system failed him and he should not have to suffer the consequences for their incompetence.


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

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          Posted: June 1, 2011, 11:42 pm - IP Logged
          "he made the mistake of giving a winning ticket away, why should he not have to suffer the consequences/pain resutling of that mistake?"
           
           
          Long story short, Joshua.
          Your above question strikes at the heart of the whole issue.
          He didn't give the ticket away.
          He gave it to someone acting as an agent of the lottery.
          They stole it from him and left the country.
           
          The lottery should have to suffer the consequences.
           
          The store should have to suffer the consequences.
           
          The thief should have to suffer the consequences.
           
          Not the guy who paid the money for the ticket in good faith thinking he actually stood a chance of winning a prize as they promised.
           
          The lottery recommends that you sign your ticket but there is no stipulation or rule that says you must.
           
          He acted in good faith and paid in good faith.
           
          Their system failed him and he should not have to suffer the consequences for their incompetence.

          I agree w/your logic!

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            Posted: June 1, 2011, 11:48 pm - IP Logged

            Is there a law against someone who's not overly intelligent playing the lottery?

            Do they prohibit people with low IQ's from playing?

            The answer to both questions is no.

             

            If the state isn't going to pay this less than intelligent person simply because he acted less than intelligent, they should start requiring IQ tests to play the lottery.

            That money was rightfully his and the state should give it to him and go after that filthy Nepalese dirtbag themselves.

             

            I read about Willis and saw him on the news. I like the guy. I would slam beers and tell tall tales with him.

            Yeah, he ain't the smartest knife in the light bulb drawer and he was guilty of being too trusting and vulnerable but he trusted the Texas Lottery Commission to do the right thing and be fair and honest. But they didn't and they're not. One of their representatives ripped him off.

            Texas oughta do the right thing and give him his dam money.

            Is there a law against someone who's not overly intelligent playing the lottery?

            Do they prohibit people with low IQ's from playing?

            The answer to both questions is no.

             

            If the state isn't going to pay this less than intelligent person simply because he acted less than intelligent, they should start requiring IQ tests to play the lottery.

            Yeah, he ain't the smartest knife in the light bulb drawer and he was guilty of being too trusting and vulnerable but he trusted the Texas Lottery Commission to do the right thing and be fair and honest. But they didn't and they're not. One of their representatives ripped him off.

            Texas oughta do the right thing and give him his dam money.

             

            I gotta disagree with you rdgrnr. If you read the previous stories, you will see where Willis-Willis gave a reason to justify not checking his own ticket.

            He had an excuse for not checking the newspaper.

            He had an excuse for not scanning his ticket himself.

            He had an excuse for not using the internet.

            He had an excuse for not getting the numbers from TV.

            He had an excuse for not asking someone what the winning numbers were.

            He had an excuse for not picking up a results slip.

            He had an excuse for not knowing what his numbers were, even though he played them longer that you and I been alive.

            He had an excuse for not asking his golfing buddies.

            This man is too lazy to play the lottery.

            And keep in mind that it was the store owner that brought it to the TX Lottery Commission's attention after reviewing the footage.

            I always tell my kids that "an excuse is like an azzhole..... Everybody's got one." And it seems that Willis-Willis has many.

             

            Willis-Willis was careless and lazy and it cost him a million dollars. No matter how the jury rules, Willis-Willis should be held accountable for his actions.

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              Posted: June 2, 2011, 12:21 am - IP Logged

              Am I the only person in existance that reads the back of playslips?

              I clearly remember reading on the back of the playslip that, "The Texas Lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets or for tickets lost in the mail."

              "Sign ticket before claiming. Anyone who possesses an unsigned ticket may be able to claim a prize."

              "It is your responsibility to check your ticket for accuracy at time of purchase."

              If a jury rules in  Willis-Willis' favor and award him his petition, what is to stop people from going after the lottery commissions claiming that their ticket was misprinted and they would've won the jackpot if the computer had not printed one of their numbers wrong?

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                Posted: June 2, 2011, 12:52 am - IP Logged

                Is there a law against someone who's not overly intelligent playing the lottery?

                Do they prohibit people with low IQ's from playing?

                The answer to both questions is no.

                 

                If the state isn't going to pay this less than intelligent person simply because he acted less than intelligent, they should start requiring IQ tests to play the lottery.

                Yeah, he ain't the smartest knife in the light bulb drawer and he was guilty of being too trusting and vulnerable but he trusted the Texas Lottery Commission to do the right thing and be fair and honest. But they didn't and they're not. One of their representatives ripped him off.

                Texas oughta do the right thing and give him his dam money.

                 

                I gotta disagree with you rdgrnr. If you read the previous stories, you will see where Willis-Willis gave a reason to justify not checking his own ticket.

                He had an excuse for not checking the newspaper.

                He had an excuse for not scanning his ticket himself.

                He had an excuse for not using the internet.

                He had an excuse for not getting the numbers from TV.

                He had an excuse for not asking someone what the winning numbers were.

                He had an excuse for not picking up a results slip.

                He had an excuse for not knowing what his numbers were, even though he played them longer that you and I been alive.

                He had an excuse for not asking his golfing buddies.

                This man is too lazy to play the lottery.

                And keep in mind that it was the store owner that brought it to the TX Lottery Commission's attention after reviewing the footage.

                I always tell my kids that "an excuse is like an azzhole..... Everybody's got one." And it seems that Willis-Willis has many.

                 

                Willis-Willis was careless and lazy and it cost him a million dollars. No matter how the jury rules, Willis-Willis should be held accountable for his actions.

                You're holding Willis to the standard of someone who is reasonably intelligent.

                It's clear that he isn't reasonably intelligent and they don't advise people like that not to buy tickets or prohibit them from doing so.

                He's not intelligent enough to do all the things they recommended.

                But he did what was required: He bought and paid for the ticket from an agent of the lottery and took it back to them to verify and validate what he had won.

                He didn't break any rules or laws.

                The only thing he did wrong and his biggest mistake was trusting the Texas Lottery people and their agents to be honest and fair.

                They're not.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

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                  Am I the only person in existance that reads the back of playslips?

                  I clearly remember reading on the back of the playslip that, "The Texas Lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets or for tickets lost in the mail."

                  "Sign ticket before claiming. Anyone who possesses an unsigned ticket may be able to claim a prize."

                  "It is your responsibility to check your ticket for accuracy at time of purchase."

                  If a jury rules in  Willis-Willis' favor and award him his petition, what is to stop people from going after the lottery commissions claiming that their ticket was misprinted and they would've won the jackpot if the computer had not printed one of their numbers wrong?

                  "The Texas Lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets..."

                   

                  I disagree, Perdue.

                   

                  Do you think the disclaimer saying they're not responsible for stolen tickets will hold up in court when it was an agent of the Texas Lottery that stole it?

                   

                  When you go to a hockey game, the back of the ticket says they are not responsible for a puck splitting your skull wide open either.

                  But they are.

                   

                  Willis is gonna get his money.

                  The Texas Lottery is gonna lose.

                   

                  So let it be written.

                  So let it be done.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                    "The Texas Lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets..."

                     

                    I disagree, Perdue.

                     

                    Do you think the disclaimer saying they're not responsible for stolen tickets will hold up in court when it was an agent of the Texas Lottery that stole it?

                     

                    When you go to a hockey game, the back of the ticket says they are not responsible for a puck splitting your skull wide open either.

                    But they are.

                     

                    Willis is gonna get his money.

                    The Texas Lottery is gonna lose.

                     

                    So let it be written.

                    So let it be done.

                    Then you better pray that I don't get pulled for jury duty and end up as a juror hearing this case.

                    I would like to hear all the details and see what the media left out.

                    I would like to hear both sides of the situation.

                    Right now my belief is based on what I have read in the different medias reguarding Willis-Willis.

                    And I admit that my belief is subject to change after hearing the full unedited version from Willis-Willis and the TX Lottery Commission.

                    I also realize that the only way to hear it is to be in the courtroom in person.

                    Hmmmmmm.......... I wonder if the trial will be here in "Big D" or in Austin. I also wonder if the trial will be open to the public.......... Hmmmmmmm......

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                      Then you better pray that I don't get pulled for jury duty and end up as a juror hearing this case.

                      I would like to hear all the details and see what the media left out.

                      I would like to hear both sides of the situation.

                      Right now my belief is based on what I have read in the different medias reguarding Willis-Willis.

                      And I admit that my belief is subject to change after hearing the full unedited version from Willis-Willis and the TX Lottery Commission.

                      I also realize that the only way to hear it is to be in the courtroom in person.

                      Hmmmmmm.......... I wonder if the trial will be here in "Big D" or in Austin. I also wonder if the trial will be open to the public.......... Hmmmmmmm......

                      "Then you better pray that I don't get pulled for jury duty and end up as a juror hearing this case."

                      They just don't randomly pick 8 or 12 people and place them on the jury. You probably wouldn't make it past voir dire.

                      The more attention this case gets can only be negative attention to the Texas Lottery and that's why the Vegas odds are favoring an out of court settlement.

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                        I would think the only way they could hold the lottery commission liable is if they knew this is a regular occurrence and they have failed to institute better safeguards.  Otherwise, I think the store should be liable for the guy's money.  It was their employee who stole it in the line of his work.

                        What could lotteries do to keep this from happening so often?  I wish the machine would print a receipt every time a ticket was checked that is given to the player.  That wouldn't help occasional players tho, who wouldn't know to demand the receipt.  Plus I guess a clerk could keep a $2 winner receipt handy and switch it with a receipt for a bigger win.  The player would only know if they checked the time stamp on the receipt closely.  There's gotta be a better way.

                        The Idaho lottery prints a receipt for any winning tickets that are scanned, but it's not given to the player.  It's stapled to the ticket and put in a box.  That tells them the correct amount was paid out, but it doesn't give a clue who it was paid to.  The clerk could easily take the money themselves which doesn't do a bit of good.

                        Ho Lee- Can you share with us commoners what three critereas are necesary to claim liablity thru the courts? ANd how given the article the plaintiff has met those terms?

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                          It's a shame...but the fact of the matter is he didn't sign the back of his ticket.  So the lack of solid proof that the stolen winning ticket was his is why the Lotto folk held back in paying him full.

                          So we have learned two lessons from this incident:

                          1. NEVER let another person check your ticket.  The Internet exists for a reason.

                          However if you really can't access the Internet and need someone to check the ticket...

                          2. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS sign the back of your ticket!

                          Did you forget to read the part that the COURTS acknowledge him as the "RIGHTFUL BEARER of the TICket? THerefore Mr Willis gets to make claim?

                          Deception and Fraud are already charges being placed against the Clerk, I believe that bears noting when making your proclamation.

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                            This is why state lotteries should allow people to register with the lottery. In NSW, lottery players have the option of registering with the state lottery, they pay a fee, they get a card and just use the card whenever they wish to play. Players can still play without a card if they want to - it is totally optional.

                             

                            The benefits of registration are:

                             

                            If your ticket is lost you can still claim any prize, as you have proof of purchase.

                             

                            Others can not claim any prizes on you ticket if they find it.

                             

                            If you for get to check your ticket, and you win a prize, they will mail a check to you.

                            We all get a lot out of lotteries!

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                              You're holding Willis to the standard of someone who is reasonably intelligent.

                              It's clear that he isn't reasonably intelligent and they don't advise people like that not to buy tickets or prohibit them from doing so.

                              He's not intelligent enough to do all the things they recommended.

                              But he did what was required: He bought and paid for the ticket from an agent of the lottery and took it back to them to verify and validate what he had won.

                              He didn't break any rules or laws.

                              The only thing he did wrong and his biggest mistake was trusting the Texas Lottery people and their agents to be honest and fair.

                              They're not.

                              "The only thing he did wrong and his biggest mistake was trusting the Texas Lottery people and their agents to be honest and fair."

                              I cashed a Ten-Oh ticket in Ohio that I thought was worth $52 but the clerk told me it was worth $407; I thought I matched 7 numbers on one of the lines but I matched 8. The clerk didn't know that I under valued the ticket when asked her to cash it, but what if I'd said "check the ticket"?

                              Sure, Willis' intelligence is questionable, but what about the intelligent people that buy some QPs, stick them under their sun visors and ask the clerk to check them a day or two later. Should we all assume every store and every clerk is dishonest, check and double check every ticket we buy before cashing them?

                              "They're not."

                              Or they're incompetent, but either way the store is acting as an agent of the Texas Lottery. It's obvious the Texas Lottery and probably every state lottery has no idea of who is selling and cashing their lottery tickets.

                              Last night I asked a clerk for a pick-4 number straight for a dollar 3 times and after the tickets were printed, I asked for the same number boxed for a dollar 2 times. The clerk even asked if I wanted them for $1 too. I put $5 on the counter while waiting for the box tickets to be printed. The clerk handed me 7 tickets and took the $5 and put it in the cash register. When I checked the tickets, she had given me four (not the 3 tickets I asked for and she verified) 50 cent straight tickets so I told her to give me another $1 straight ticket which she ran. She hands me the ticket and asks for another $1 so I had to spread the now 8 tickets she gave me on the counter to show her they added up to the $5 she had already put in the cash register.

                              The moral of the story is some store clerks have no clue how to run the lottery machine and some of the clerks that do are dishonest.

                              PS, don't ever hand a clerk a ten dollar bill and a quarter when the total is $8.24 unless you want to see their "deer in the headlights" look.