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Posted: July 4, 2011, 1:54 am - IP Logged

I think we're misunderstanding exactly what happened.  The lottery wasn't shut down to save money; it wasn't shut down because of a lack of funds.  It was shut down due to failure to pass a budget.  The US Constitution says that money cannot be spent from the national treasury unless it's appropriated by Congress.  It's likely that every state constitution has a similar provision that only the legislature can authorize spending money.  The immediate problem isn't that the money isn't there, but that the legislature hasn't authorized spending it.  Shutting down the lottery wasn't a business decision, which I agree would be stupid, but it's a result of the constitutional protections against executive agencies spending whatever they want.

Also, the US Constitution prohibits states from making laws that void the obligations of contracts.  A lottery annuity involves a contract with the state.  I'd assume that whatever emergency provisions are in place for failure to pass a budget provides for making payments in accordance with contracts.  To do otherwise would damage the state's creditworthiness and potentially violate the Constitution.

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    I think we're misunderstanding exactly what happened.  The lottery wasn't shut down to save money; it wasn't shut down because of a lack of funds.  It was shut down due to failure to pass a budget.  The US Constitution says that money cannot be spent from the national treasury unless it's appropriated by Congress.  It's likely that every state constitution has a similar provision that only the legislature can authorize spending money.  The immediate problem isn't that the money isn't there, but that the legislature hasn't authorized spending it.  Shutting down the lottery wasn't a business decision, which I agree would be stupid, but it's a result of the constitutional protections against executive agencies spending whatever they want.

    Also, the US Constitution prohibits states from making laws that void the obligations of contracts.  A lottery annuity involves a contract with the state.  I'd assume that whatever emergency provisions are in place for failure to pass a budget provides for making payments in accordance with contracts.  To do otherwise would damage the state's creditworthiness and potentially violate the Constitution.

    Thank you. At least somoene here has an understanding of Civics and/or reading comprehension.

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      Posted: July 4, 2011, 9:03 am - IP Logged

      When I look at the daily results page, it looks like Minnesota has still been conducting drawings. For example, yesterday's winning 3-ball number was 473.

      Today's winning 3-ball is going to be a number between 000 and 999.

      In a lot of states, lotteries benefit education. That makes the REAL winners the only people who can't play!

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        Posted: July 4, 2011, 9:04 am - IP Logged

        JPJohnson,

        Some one brought up prisons in this thread. States that shut down government  don't open the gates. Of course they don't. They don't give the staff the days off either.

        Lottery is a source of revenue, as long as it's on the up and up. Saving the salaries of a relatively few to shut off what would have came in is ridiculous.

        Try studying up on street civics and real life civics outside of a classroom. What Minnesota just did was create a lot more business for some "Tony Bag-a-donits" types. Players are going to find the action.

        And how do you explain other states that have shut down but didn't shut down the lotto?

        Hey, quit pickin' on Tony Bag-a-doughnuts. He's not so bad, just a lil' misunderstood is all.
        Gets kinda upset if yas don't pay him on time. LOL

        As an aside, when did any state or the U.S. suddenly care about following a pesky Constitution? Roll Eyes

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        Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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          Posted: July 4, 2011, 12:20 pm - IP Logged

          You guys talking about you don't understand why they can't keep the lottery open during the state government shutdown need to read more articles or brush up on Civics. It's pretty reasonable to assume if the state is not authorized to make payments to employees, utilies, and vendors that the Lottery Comission has no choice to close. Are people going to work for free? Are utility companies going to give them a pass on their bills? Will vendors keep providing services without payment? The Lottery not being open has nothing to do with "stupidity".  What's so hard to understand about that? I'm sure they'll be some snide replies to this comment, but the fact remains that states agencies are going to remain closed without authorization to pay anyone. All the disagreements, snide remarks, and wishes won't change that until the government approves a budget.

          I am not that familiar with Minn. laws so you might be right.  But in civics class I learned about pseudo-government agencies.  These agencies operate outside of the state's budget.  Lotteries are separate entities in and of themselves.  In all the states with which I am familiar, the lottery is just such an agency.  Their money comes from the selling of lotto tickets.  Employees and ticket sellers get paid from the funds they (and not the state) collect.  They are not tied to the state's budget in any shape, form, or fashion.

          Minn. might have created their lotto to be a state agency in which case you would be correct.  In such a case the money generated would first go to the state treasury to be dispursed according to a state budget.

          Does anyone know the legal status of the Minn. lottery?

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            Posted: July 4, 2011, 2:36 pm - IP Logged

            From MN Lottery FAQ

             

            Shutdown FAQ

            Now that the Lottery is closed, what will happen?

            Like many other state agencies, the Lottery will close on July 1st since a budget agreement was not finalized.  You will not be able to purchase Lottery tickets or redeem winning tickets during the shutdown period.  Lottery terminals at retailer locations will not allow those transactions. Winning tickets under $600 can still be cashed at Lottery retailers until 11:59 on June 30th.

            • When will I know when the Lottery is back in business?

            The Lottery will do its best to begin selling and redeeming tickets as quickly as possible once a budget agreement is finalized and all state agencies are allowed to reopen at full capacity.  For the latest general information on the state government shutdown, please visit BeReadyMN.com.  The Lottery’s website will announce when we can begin selling tickets again.  Additionally, when you see jackpot amounts on the jackpot billboards, or watch our daily drawing show, or if there's no shutdown signage at your favorite Lottery retailer, we’re likely up and running again!

            • What about the game drawings?  What happens now?

            The multi-state jackpot drawings for Powerball, Mega Millions and Hot Lotto will continue as always on each game’s regularly-scheduled drawing day.  But you will not be able to purchase tickets for these games in Minnesota during the shutdown period. If you purchased tickets in advance for these games, your tickets are still valid. You can call our player hotline at 651-634-1111 or go to www.powerball.com for winning numbers, but you will have to wait until after the shutdown to redeem any winning tickets.  We will also be conducting the Gopher 5, Northstar Cash and Daily 3 drawings for players who purchased multi-draw tickets with drawing dates of July 1st or later.  You can also call the Winning Numbers Hotline at 651-634-1111 for the winning numbers for these games. 

            • Since the Lottery is closed, why will the Lottery still be holding drawings for the Minnesota-only games?

            We believe that we have a commitment to players who have already purchased multi-draw tickets with drawing dates in July.  Also, continuing to hold these drawings will allow the Lottery’s computer system to operate properly so that we will be able to resume normal business when the shutdown is over.

            • Because I have a winning ticket and the Lottery is closed, what should I do?

            Please sign the back of your ticket immediately and place it in a secure location.  Once the Lottery is fully operational the ticket can be cashed.  Tickets under $600 can be cashed at any Lottery retailer or by mail.  Winning tickets worth $600 - $30,000 can be redeemed at any Lottery office or by mail.  Winning tickets above $30,000 must be claimed in person at Lottery headquarters in Roseville. 

            • Can I still enter my non-winning ticket into a contest for the chance to win a prize through the LuckyMN Players Club?

            No, tickets cannot be entered for any contest drawings during the shutdown period because our computer system will be unavailable.  Any valid contest entries submitted previously have been saved.  Please retain any tickets you have not yet entered.  When the shutdown ends, players will be given extra time to submit appropriate ticket entries into all current contests.  All prizes for every contest will be awarded and any new drawing dates will be posted when the Lottery reopens.  Additional details about these second-chance drawings and contests will be posted on the contest pages after the shutdown.

            • Why can’t retailers sell tickets, at least scratch tickets, during the shutdown?

            The shutdown means all but the most critical Lottery computer operations will have to cease.  The closure means that all Lottery terminals at all retailer locations must be disabled, so retailers will not be able to sell or redeem any tickets, including scratch tickets. 

            • I bought tickets through your subscription service.  What do I do now?

            All subscriptions purchased prior to July 1st will be honored and all wagers will be placed for the appropriate drawings.  Any winnings will be placed in your wallet.  You will be able to access your account and view activity; however, no account updates or additional purchases may be made.  After the Lottery resumes normal business, you will be able make additional transactions.

            Thanks Jade, I wonder if those government paychecks will shut down also, will the government workers also have to turn in the government cars?

            I think the lottery is self sustaining and pays for itself, shoudn't need to be shut down, this is clearly a power play in politics, designed to point blame and gain popularity.

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              Thank you. At least somoene here has an understanding of Civics and/or reading comprehension.

              The next time you want to insult us about how stupid we are, please make sure to spell everything right.

              Otherwise you look like a big dummy.

              Thanks ever so much.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                Posted: July 4, 2011, 5:27 pm - IP Logged

                You guys talking about you don't understand why they can't keep the lottery open during the state government shutdown need to read more articles or brush up on Civics. It's pretty reasonable to assume if the state is not authorized to make payments to employees, utilies, and vendors that the Lottery Comission has no choice to close. Are people going to work for free? Are utility companies going to give them a pass on their bills? Will vendors keep providing services without payment? The Lottery not being open has nothing to do with "stupidity".  What's so hard to understand about that? I'm sure they'll be some snide replies to this comment, but the fact remains that states agencies are going to remain closed without authorization to pay anyone. All the disagreements, snide remarks, and wishes won't change that until the government approves a budget.

                "You guys talking about you don't understand...  ...need to read more articles or brush up on Civics."

                Thanks for the advice!

                Oh, and by the way, what are utilies?

                Should we brush up on utilies?

                Thanks ever so much!


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

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                  Posted: July 4, 2011, 6:13 pm - IP Logged

                  An update from Up Nort'

                  Word on the street in St Paul says that some system sellers and players were posing as lotto vendors, telling players that the Minn. lotto was going with handwritten tickets.

                  They were running a special, six tickets for $5.

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    An update from Up Nort'

                    Word on the street in St Paul says that some system sellers and players were posing as lotto vendors, telling players that the Minn. lotto was going with handwritten tickets.

                    They were running a special, six tickets for $5.

                    and now a word from our sponser,pt barnum.ha-ha

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                      Posted: July 4, 2011, 11:27 pm - IP Logged

                      You guys talking about you don't understand why they can't keep the lottery open during the state government shutdown need to read more articles or brush up on Civics. It's pretty reasonable to assume if the state is not authorized to make payments to employees, utilies, and vendors that the Lottery Comission has no choice to close. Are people going to work for free? Are utility companies going to give them a pass on their bills? Will vendors keep providing services without payment? The Lottery not being open has nothing to do with "stupidity".  What's so hard to understand about that? I'm sure they'll be some snide replies to this comment, but the fact remains that states agencies are going to remain closed without authorization to pay anyone. All the disagreements, snide remarks, and wishes won't change that until the government approves a budget.

                      Let me tell you a little story, some years back,(PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR)  In this tiny little state called Michigan, Our lady govenor was going to shut down the state, including racetracks, casinos, lottery, anything that required a state inspector.

                      Now lets go back 1 year before,The state also has bingo halls or I should say the state has

                      a 5013C non-profit status for the Democratic committees, they have hundreds of bingo licenses , and the year before the election the state cancelled close to 3000 bingo licenses not a single one for the Democratic committees

                      Now during the shutdown, of racetracks and casinos and lottery, ironically the Bingos would stay open, even though they fell under the jurisdiction of the lottery,

                      The gamblers have to go somewhere right...

                      After all the screaming, somehow Michigan found a sh*t load of cash and didn't have to close.

                      You need to learn politics before you open your yap !!!!!

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                        Posted: July 5, 2011, 12:13 am - IP Logged

                        They had an emergency because they probably was in there stealing.. Fix the lottery, their scamming us all out of thousands of dollarsAngry

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                          Posted: July 5, 2011, 12:14 am - IP Logged

                          They had an emergency because they probably was in there stealing.. Fix the lottery, their scamming us all out of thousands of dollarsAngry

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                            Posted: July 5, 2011, 10:26 am - IP Logged

                            Noooooooooo

                            Not the lottery ...........................

                            Yikes!

                            Smash

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                              Posted: July 6, 2011, 6:35 am - IP Logged

                              I've seen it on the news.

                              Dem Governor won't agree to cut spending, insists on more spending and raising taxes to cover it.

                              Just the thing that got them into this mess.

                              But you have to wonder about people who would elect Stuart Smalley to the Senate anyway. (Anybody have that picture of him in the diapers with the baby bottle?)  That picture should be their state symbol, lol.

                              Scott Walker is a republican not a democrat.

                              If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

                              You never know when you will get another hit.