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Posted: July 7, 2011, 10:10 am - IP Logged

Go Read "Income Tax" Shattering the Myths by Dave Champion. You have no idea about income tax.

A more relevant read are the IRS publications written by the people that can put in jail for tax evasion. That would be the ultimate bad luck. Win millions of dollars but sitting in jail with no means to spend or enjoy the money.

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    So much for "Land of the Free", and all that jazz!

    We still have our guns.

    How about you?


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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      Posted: July 7, 2011, 3:24 pm - IP Logged

      We still have our guns.

      How about you?

      in jersey we need a permit to buy a lousey shotgun,thats their favorite word, "PERMIT".on the plus side they did stop inspecting our cars,and flunking people for stupid things like a faulty shift quadrant,i  mean if you can't tell what gear the car is in you should't be driving.

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        A more relevant read are the IRS publications written by the people that can put in jail for tax evasion. That would be the ultimate bad luck. Win millions of dollars but sitting in jail with no means to spend or enjoy the money.

        You REALLY, REALLY need to know that what you just said is absolute non-sense. Here you go, this is directly out of the Internal Revenue Manual, which COMPLETELY contradicts your ridiculous statement:

        4.10.7.2.8  (01-01-2006) 

        IRS Publications

        1. IRS Publications explain the law in plain language for taxpayers and their advisors. They typically highlight changes in the law, provide examples illustrating Service positions, and include worksheets. Publications are nonbinding on the Service and do not necessarily cover all positions for a given issue. While a good source of general information, publications should not be cited to sustain a position

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          It always blows my mind that people who claim to be "free" talk with such little courage and in fact talk like they are on some type of plantation. Your whole statement, which was completely uneducated and fear based, is one of the main reasons this country has went down the garbage hole.   

           

          I can't imagine one of the Founding Fathers during the revolutionary era talking with such distain for truth. No offense, but you really need to take a look at yourself and the position you just put forth. It's completely worthless, outside of the fear factor of course. Not to say the IRS isn't ridiculous in and of it's own self, but further encouraging the criminals to continue to mis-apply the income tax is certainly no way to fight for Liberty and Freedom. The Income tax is only authorized to be laid in the nature of an excise tax. Read Frank Brushaber v Union Pacific Railroad co (1916) and Stanton v Baltic Mining (1916) US Supreme court rulings, which trump any IRS publication.

          Last time I looked, the IRS was part of the Executive branch, not the Judicial Branch. So that whole little statement about the IRS publication writers being the ones who can put you in jail should be more like your Fellow Jury Citizens put you in jail. And the reality is, in almost all tax cases, the jury is completely ignorant as to the actual application of the income tax laws and have never read one word of tax law. Go figure..... Best cases that come to mind are the Joe Banister Case, Tommy Cryer Case and the Robert Lawerence Cases.

          Soultions start with us. Not with the government.


          Also, here's the IRS Manual section on "Importance of Court Decisions"

           

         

        4.10.7.2.9.8  (01-01-2006)
        Importance of Court Decisions

        1. Decisions made at various levels of the court system are considered to be interpretations of tax laws and may be used by either examiners or taxpayers to support a position.

        2. Certain court cases lend more weight to a position than others. A case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court becomes the law of the land and takes precedence over decisions of lower courts. The Internal Revenue Service must follow Supreme Court decisions. For examiners, Supreme Court decisions have the same weight as the Code.

        3. Decisions made by lower courts, such as Tax Court, District Courts, or Claims Court, are binding on the Service only for the particular taxpayer and the years litigated. Adverse decisions of lower courts do not require the Service to alter its position for other taxpayers.

           

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          Notice that a case decided by the US Supreme MUST be followed by the IRS and also a US Supreme court ruling decision has the same legal weight as the actual Law. Try to mention a US Supreme court case in a prosecution against you in a court or to an IRS examiner and they won't give 2 hoots about it. In fact, I don't know why the Internal Revenue manual even exists, if examaniers and officers of the IRS don't even follow the most critical parts of it. Smile

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          You REALLY, REALLY need to know that what you just said is absolute non-sense. Here you go, this is directly out of the Internal Revenue Manual, which COMPLETELY contradicts your ridiculous statement:

          4.10.7.2.8  (01-01-2006) 

          IRS Publications

          1. IRS Publications explain the law in plain language for taxpayers and their advisors. They typically highlight changes in the law, provide examples illustrating Service positions, and include worksheets. Publications are nonbinding on the Service and do not necessarily cover all positions for a given issue. While a good source of general information, publications should not be cited to sustain a position

            _____________________________________________________________________________________


            It always blows my mind that people who claim to be "free" talk with such little courage and in fact talk like they are on some type of plantation. Your whole statement, which was completely uneducated and fear based, is one of the main reasons this country has went down the garbage hole.   

             

            I can't imagine one of the Founding Fathers during the revolutionary era talking with such distain for truth. No offense, but you really need to take a look at yourself and the position you just put forth. It's completely worthless, outside of the fear factor of course. Not to say the IRS isn't ridiculous in and of it's own self, but further encouraging the criminals to continue to mis-apply the income tax is certainly no way to fight for Liberty and Freedom. The Income tax is only authorized to be laid in the nature of an excise tax. Read Frank Brushaber v Union Pacific Railroad co (1916) and Stanton v Baltic Mining (1916) US Supreme court rulings, which trump any IRS publication.

            Last time I looked, the IRS was part of the Executive branch, not the Judicial Branch. So that whole little statement about the IRS publication writers being the ones who can put you in jail should be more like your Fellow Jury Citizens put you in jail. And the reality is, in almost all tax cases, the jury is completely ignorant as to the actual application of the income tax laws and have never read one word of tax law. Go figure..... Best cases that come to mind are the Joe Banister Case, Tommy Cryer Case and the Robert Lawerence Cases.

            Soultions start with us. Not with the government.


            Also, here's the IRS Manual section on "Importance of Court Decisions"

             

           

          4.10.7.2.9.8  (01-01-2006)
          Importance of Court Decisions

          1. Decisions made at various levels of the court system are considered to be interpretations of tax laws and may be used by either examiners or taxpayers to support a position.

          2. Certain court cases lend more weight to a position than others. A case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court becomes the law of the land and takes precedence over decisions of lower courts. The Internal Revenue Service must follow Supreme Court decisions. For examiners, Supreme Court decisions have the same weight as the Code.

          3. Decisions made by lower courts, such as Tax Court, District Courts, or Claims Court, are binding on the Service only for the particular taxpayer and the years litigated. Adverse decisions of lower courts do not require the Service to alter its position for other taxpayers.

             

            ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

            Notice that a case decided by the US Supreme MUST be followed by the IRS and also a US Supreme court ruling decision has the same legal weight as the actual Law. Try to mention a US Supreme court case in a prosecution against you in a court or to an IRS examiner and they won't give 2 hoots about it. In fact, I don't know why the Internal Revenue manual even exists, if examaniers and officers of the IRS don't even follow the most critical parts of it. Smile

          lottery playa welcome to lp,you have the same initials as lottery post,must be a portant.not sure if you realize,but i think mario38 is from canada.

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            lottery playa welcome to lp,you have the same initials as lottery post,must be a portant.not sure if you realize,but i think mario38 is from canada.

            Did not notice that. Thanks for the heads up! Big Smile

             

            Hey Mario38, Are you from Canada? I know your profile says you are, just checking.

            Also, I'm not im not trying to come down on you, just trying to state the facts.


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              Did not notice that. Thanks for the heads up! Big Smile

               

              Hey Mario38, Are you from Canada? I know your profile says you are, just checking.

              Also, I'm not im not trying to come down on you, just trying to state the facts.

              Yes, I am. I am familiar with US tax law because I have filed US tax returns. The first time I had to file, I hired someone to complete the return. Then I decided to research the tax laws myself and completed my own returns.

              I am also stating the facts. You are free to do what you want but I think you should be careful when you tell people they are not obligated to pay taxes on income. Along with advice, do you also offer bail money?

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                As a Citizen of Canada, you ARE required to file a US tax return on your US source income.

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                  While a good source of general information, publications should not be cited to sustain a position.

                  Which means the IRS can ignore it as they see fit.

                  Decisions made by lower courts, such as Tax Court, District Courts, or Claims Court, are binding on the Service only for the particular taxpayer and the years litigated. Adverse decisions of lower courts do not require the Service to alter its position for other taxpayers.

                  Which means the IRS may take out not being able to shaft one particular taxpayer on the others.

                  Anyone who has sat through the process of jury selection knows they don't want to be at the mercy of one; especially in a case requiring specialized knowledge.

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                    As a Citizen of Canada, you ARE required to file a US tax return on your US source income.

                    I wonder where you are getting your information. What law would require me to file a US tax return. Certainly not a Canadian law and US law has no jurisdiction in Canada. You seem to be a self-professed expert on tax law. So what law are you referring to?

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                      Posted: July 7, 2011, 11:03 pm - IP Logged

                      While a good source of general information, publications should not be cited to sustain a position.

                      Which means the IRS can ignore it as they see fit.

                      Decisions made by lower courts, such as Tax Court, District Courts, or Claims Court, are binding on the Service only for the particular taxpayer and the years litigated. Adverse decisions of lower courts do not require the Service to alter its position for other taxpayers.

                      Which means the IRS may take out not being able to shaft one particular taxpayer on the others.

                      Anyone who has sat through the process of jury selection knows they don't want to be at the mercy of one; especially in a case requiring specialized knowledge.

                      exactly,so they can have their cake and eat it too,

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                        UK National Lottery - Players have the right to maintain their anonymity

                         

                        Players have the right to maintain their anonymity unless they sign to request publicity. Camelot, (UK National Lottery operator),  is required to ensure that prize-winner's details are kept secure within Camelot, and are only disclosed to authorised staff.

                        We all get a lot out of lotteries!

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                          UK National Lottery - Players have the right to maintain their anonymity

                           

                          Players have the right to maintain their anonymity unless they sign to request publicity. Camelot, (UK National Lottery operator),  is required to ensure that prize-winner's details are kept secure within Camelot, and are only disclosed to authorised staff.

                          But just like the Australians, the Brits surrendered their rights to own guns too.

                          So neither of those countries are really free.


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

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                            But just like the Australians, the Brits surrendered their rights to own guns too.

                            So neither of those countries are really free.

                            "from my cold dead fingers "

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                              If only a US resident and US citizen knew how much, at least, the Federal Income Tax Rate was (knowing each State's Income Tax Rates due before electronic transfer would be helpful too) upon winning a Euro Millions Lottery JACKPOT.

                              However, this question has been asked EACH time that one of these foreign lottery articles and "outside country resident's" ticket buying agents are published by the administration of this site, with still no US resident and US citizen tax reduction information included.  [Sure, each USAer could presume that there is approximately 40%+ in taxes due BEFORE lump sum payment is electronically sent (or is due to both the state and federal government by the winner upon filing their annual tax form for the prior year), but why should a USAer guess blindly BEFORE purchasing a ticket.]  Certainly, this non-response -- from administration -- remains a let down, considering this is one of the largest lottery blogs within the U.S.A.

                              What?

                              Having several millions of dollars in my financial accounts means receiving several valuable services each day!

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