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Massachusetts Lottery closes loophole after big wins

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Posted: August 3, 2011, 11:00 am - IP Logged

I agree but still cant believe this is happening. Is it even legal? punishing all the stores in the commonwealth because of a few rotten tomatoes that allowed the high roller customers to print their tickets is not right. I suspect this game will be discontinued when they realize that their new rule cannot stand after a lawsuit.

I am no lawyer but I feel this new rule interferes with interstate commerce which is contrary to the Constitution and therefore it is null and void.

How many Laws would be Violated Today: If All the Lottery Equipment was Thrown into Boston Harbor?

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    What I don't get is why did they suspended the license of the store where they worked part-time if they did nothing wrong/illegal why punish the other merchants???????

    Dallas , they didn't do anything wrong, When you put a cap on how much money a store can make at one time,   well, sounds like whoops, I almost said the "S" WORD.

    I'll just call it   "ocialism"

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      How many Laws would be Violated Today: If All the Lottery Equipment was Thrown into Boston Harbor?

      Hopefully they won't dress up like Indians if they do.

      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

      For a lead role in a cage?

       

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          Eventually they will change the rules.  This is just the first bureaucratic move to appease the "little guy". P.S. it is the "plague".  The federal govt. is like the the bubonic plague.

          The federal government has NOTHING to do with this at all.  It is the state.

          If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

          You never know when you will get another hit.

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            The federal government has NOTHING to do with this at all.  It is the state.

            Yes, but Mass is a democrat state.

            So naturally everything is going to be ass-backwards.

            Just like the federal government.


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

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              Posted: August 3, 2011, 1:49 pm - IP Logged

              Yes, but Mass is a democrat state.

              So naturally everything is going to be ass-backwards.

              Just like the federal government.

              The game has to seem "fair" or no one will play it.  It is business plain and simple.  Whether you are aware of it or not, many states have some sort of rule in place to block those high rollers (I'll call them).  In one state which I will not name, a player cannot tie up a lottery terminal for more than 1 hour and it has to be 1 terminal.  Also no one player can tie up all of the lottery terminals at the same time in the same place. 

              These little rules are in place to insure the integrity of the games.  All who want to play should be able to play.  The games are not for "rich" folks only.

              If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

              You never know when you will get another hit.

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                The game has to seem "fair" or no one will play it.  It is business plain and simple.  Whether you are aware of it or not, many states have some sort of rule in place to block those high rollers (I'll call them).  In one state which I will not name, a player cannot tie up a lottery terminal for more than 1 hour and it has to be 1 terminal.  Also no one player can tie up all of the lottery terminals at the same time in the same place. 

                These little rules are in place to insure the integrity of the games.  All who want to play should be able to play.  The games are not for "rich" folks only.

                Some people want the government to run every aspect of their lives, like a nanny.

                Those people are destroying this country.

                Those people would prefer that everybody win the jackpot once a month to make it "seem fair" to them.

                We can't operate by what "seems fair" to the "where's my free stuff?" crowd.

                We have to go by what "is fair."


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

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                  The federal government has NOTHING to do with this at all.  It is the state.

                  Hey,  really,  I didn't know that!  Thank You!

                  Let me give another analogy:

                  The state governments run by leftist Democrats are like SEPTICEMIC PLAGUES.   

                  Better?

                   

                  Oh yeah,  by the way when you win one of those big prizes does the federal govt. have anything do with the Massachusetts State Lottery???????????????????

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                    The whole idea of the lottery is that many pay the prizes for the few winners.  If Mass. didn't do something the game would be destroyed.  The idea is to chance an amount that doesn't exceed your return.  I've put sets of numbers in the hundreds together, and IF I could afford to sustain that level of betting in the hundreds every day I MIGHT get a good return.  I just don't have the money to take those kinds of chances.

                    When I did win a prize big enough to require a trip down to the lottery office the form I filled out had questions whether I or any family member worked for the lottery or was employed at a lottery retailer.  I think that's an ethical question.  If a retailer benefits from a win at his establishment it should be the result of a win from a customers ticket, and not an employee.  That seems right and fair to me.

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                      What I don't get is why did they suspended the license of the store where they worked part-time if they did nothing wrong/illegal why punish the other merchants???????

                      Well, dallascowboyfan, each state makes up their own lottery rules.  Perhaps MA's rule is that a lottery retailer's employee cannot print their own tickets. If so, winning tickets will be honored, yet retailer's licence will be suspended or revoked.

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                        Some people want the government to run every aspect of their lives, like a nanny.

                        Those people are destroying this country.

                        Those people would prefer that everybody win the jackpot once a month to make it "seem fair" to them.

                        We can't operate by what "seems fair" to the "where's my free stuff?" crowd.

                        We have to go by what "is fair."

                        And some people actually are as stooopid as they sound... err... type. Maybe spend more of your time on the Faux "News" or "Mudge" Report or "Not-Bright Bart" sites. You'd fit in real well there, except their types are usually the ones that oppose lotteries... but also seem to love the casinos. So why do their type always cry out about lotteries being a "sin." Take Alabama... has dog racing and other types of gambling, but the right-wingnuts in the state vote down the lottery because it was a "sin." Typical hypocrites.

                         

                        The state lottery made the changes to make it a fairer game for everyone who plays. Did the people do anything illegal? No. Did they cheat (as in 'take advantage of') the system? Yes. (The average person hates tax loopholes also. They also tend to favor those with most of the country's money.) When over 68% of winnings on certain draws goes to only three organizations, it needs to have a change made. Otherwise people, now knowing what has been happening, would simply quit playing the game. There is a difference between "illegal" and "just wrong," but not much when it comes to one's own morals.

                        Someone here called for a boycott? That would have come on that particular game if the state had not made any changes. The everyday person does not want to spend a few dollars so someone else can come in and essentially "buy the game out." (Me? I generally buy one or two tickets for Mega Millions or Powerball for most draws, because I know 1 or 2 in 175,711,536 or 1 or 2 in 195,249,054 is pretty much the same as 50 against those odds. If I'm going to win, I'll win with those 1 or 2 tickets.) You can bet that many players will be actually Praying for someone to win the big money on each "rolldown" game from this point out to prevent 3 groups from taking over 68% of the winnings. It's like the top 2% of American wage-earners own over 45% of everything, but can't pay another 3 cents on the dollar over $250,000? (Actually, according to polls, most of them wouldn't mind it. It's the people not even making that amount that cries about it.) If I win the lottery I'll be Glad to pay the additional 3 cents to the dollar the country needs. And it's not like they've done any job creation with that 3 cents over the past eight years they've had it. But they created a whole lot under Clinton, without having that extra 3 cents.

                        Thing is rdgrnr and jarasan, why not just leave Politics outside of this arena and let people enjoy LOTTERY comments about LOTTERY stories. You and your type do nothing to help any type of situation when all you can do is whine and cry because your side is not in control of the Government. I make my political comments solely in response to jaggoff comments made previously. Yours is NOT the best system. Neither is "mine." A Government that is willing to work together for everyone is best, but we no longer have that thanks to a small (yes, it IS small) group of loudmouths that didn't even know the name they called themselves was a common sexual phrase.

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                          And some people actually are as stooopid as they sound... err... type. Maybe spend more of your time on the Faux "News" or "Mudge" Report or "Not-Bright Bart" sites. You'd fit in real well there, except their types are usually the ones that oppose lotteries... but also seem to love the casinos. So why do their type always cry out about lotteries being a "sin." Take Alabama... has dog racing and other types of gambling, but the right-wingnuts in the state vote down the lottery because it was a "sin." Typical hypocrites.

                           

                          The state lottery made the changes to make it a fairer game for everyone who plays. Did the people do anything illegal? No. Did they cheat (as in 'take advantage of') the system? Yes. (The average person hates tax loopholes also. They also tend to favor those with most of the country's money.) When over 68% of winnings on certain draws goes to only three organizations, it needs to have a change made. Otherwise people, now knowing what has been happening, would simply quit playing the game. There is a difference between "illegal" and "just wrong," but not much when it comes to one's own morals.

                          Someone here called for a boycott? That would have come on that particular game if the state had not made any changes. The everyday person does not want to spend a few dollars so someone else can come in and essentially "buy the game out." (Me? I generally buy one or two tickets for Mega Millions or Powerball for most draws, because I know 1 or 2 in 175,711,536 or 1 or 2 in 195,249,054 is pretty much the same as 50 against those odds. If I'm going to win, I'll win with those 1 or 2 tickets.) You can bet that many players will be actually Praying for someone to win the big money on each "rolldown" game from this point out to prevent 3 groups from taking over 68% of the winnings. It's like the top 2% of American wage-earners own over 45% of everything, but can't pay another 3 cents on the dollar over $250,000? (Actually, according to polls, most of them wouldn't mind it. It's the people not even making that amount that cries about it.) If I win the lottery I'll be Glad to pay the additional 3 cents to the dollar the country needs. And it's not like they've done any job creation with that 3 cents over the past eight years they've had it. But they created a whole lot under Clinton, without having that extra 3 cents.

                          Thing is rdgrnr and jarasan, why not just leave Politics outside of this arena and let people enjoy LOTTERY comments about LOTTERY stories. You and your type do nothing to help any type of situation when all you can do is whine and cry because your side is not in control of the Government. I make my political comments solely in response to jaggoff comments made previously. Yours is NOT the best system. Neither is "mine." A Government that is willing to work together for everyone is best, but we no longer have that thanks to a small (yes, it IS small) group of loudmouths that didn't even know the name they called themselves was a common sexual phrase.

                          Ah, jeeeze, has it been 3 months already?

                          ScoobyGoofjim comes in every 3 months or so to piss and moan and whine about how terrible his life is as a pansy-ass lib.

                          Well, get over it ScoobyGoof, things'll get better after the next election when we throw the Girly-Man in Chief out on his pansy-ass.

                          So in the meantime quit whining and go get a job, ScoobyGoof. Oh, I'm sorry, there are no jobs now that your hero is in charge.

                          Oh well, just stay on welfare then, ScoobyGoof. It's all free money and there's no end to it.  Just ask any of your fellow freeloaders.

                          See ya when you come in to complain about what a loser you are again in 3 months or so! See Ya!

                          Buh-bye, ScoobyGoofjim.

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                            And some people actually are as stooopid as they sound... err... type. Maybe spend more of your time on the Faux "News" or "Mudge" Report or "Not-Bright Bart" sites. You'd fit in real well there, except their types are usually the ones that oppose lotteries... but also seem to love the casinos. So why do their type always cry out about lotteries being a "sin." Take Alabama... has dog racing and other types of gambling, but the right-wingnuts in the state vote down the lottery because it was a "sin." Typical hypocrites.

                             

                            The state lottery made the changes to make it a fairer game for everyone who plays. Did the people do anything illegal? No. Did they cheat (as in 'take advantage of') the system? Yes. (The average person hates tax loopholes also. They also tend to favor those with most of the country's money.) When over 68% of winnings on certain draws goes to only three organizations, it needs to have a change made. Otherwise people, now knowing what has been happening, would simply quit playing the game. There is a difference between "illegal" and "just wrong," but not much when it comes to one's own morals.

                            Someone here called for a boycott? That would have come on that particular game if the state had not made any changes. The everyday person does not want to spend a few dollars so someone else can come in and essentially "buy the game out." (Me? I generally buy one or two tickets for Mega Millions or Powerball for most draws, because I know 1 or 2 in 175,711,536 or 1 or 2 in 195,249,054 is pretty much the same as 50 against those odds. If I'm going to win, I'll win with those 1 or 2 tickets.) You can bet that many players will be actually Praying for someone to win the big money on each "rolldown" game from this point out to prevent 3 groups from taking over 68% of the winnings. It's like the top 2% of American wage-earners own over 45% of everything, but can't pay another 3 cents on the dollar over $250,000? (Actually, according to polls, most of them wouldn't mind it. It's the people not even making that amount that cries about it.) If I win the lottery I'll be Glad to pay the additional 3 cents to the dollar the country needs. And it's not like they've done any job creation with that 3 cents over the past eight years they've had it. But they created a whole lot under Clinton, without having that extra 3 cents.

                            Thing is rdgrnr and jarasan, why not just leave Politics outside of this arena and let people enjoy LOTTERY comments about LOTTERY stories. You and your type do nothing to help any type of situation when all you can do is whine and cry because your side is not in control of the Government. I make my political comments solely in response to jaggoff comments made previously. Yours is NOT the best system. Neither is "mine." A Government that is willing to work together for everyone is best, but we no longer have that thanks to a small (yes, it IS small) group of loudmouths that didn't even know the name they called themselves was a common sexual phrase.

                            I favor both republicans and democrats. To me it depends ala independent.

                            I take issue with the point that you made that if 3 organizations win 68% of the winnings then a change needs to be made. I disagree. Surely even if they win a lot they have still taken a big risk on their money. Its still gambling even if they are highrollers. Its like saying that if Bill Gates with all his gazzillions decided to spend $100,000,000 inorder to hit tonights powerball jackpot then its unfair. Its not, everybody has their limit to do whatever and we should just accept it as a fact of life.

                            I agree with the little old lady who said that its unfair when the highrollers tie up the lottery machine for hours thus preventing the small rollers (is there such a thing?) from participating in playing, and if thats the reason for the new changes I have no problems with that.

                            That money's gone fo ever

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                              I favor both republicans and democrats. To me it depends ala independent.

                              I take issue with the point that you made that if 3 organizations win 68% of the winnings then a change needs to be made. I disagree. Surely even if they win a lot they have still taken a big risk on their money. Its still gambling even if they are highrollers. Its like saying that if Bill Gates with all his gazzillions decided to spend $100,000,000 inorder to hit tonights powerball jackpot then its unfair. Its not, everybody has their limit to do whatever and we should just accept it as a fact of life.

                              I agree with the little old lady who said that its unfair when the highrollers tie up the lottery machine for hours thus preventing the small rollers (is there such a thing?) from participating in playing, and if thats the reason for the new changes I have no problems with that.

                              "...small rollers (is there such a thing?)..."

                               

                              Yeah, LOL, there is such a thing.

                              It's people who choose to play only a buck or two bychoice because that's their strategy.

                              Then there's the people who play only a buck or two by necessity like ScoobyGoofjim.

                              ScoobyGoof is mad at the world and rich people in particular, because he's been a failure at life and knows he will always be a "Small Roller" LOL.

                              Him needs a nanny to take care of him cuz him's helpless.  Sad  Poor ScoobyGoof.