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Massachusetts Lottery closes loophole after big wins

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imagine's avatar - WINGS

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Posted: August 6, 2011, 7:00 pm - IP Logged

The few have been doing the misdeeds for years.

Stop turning it into a big brother argument.

Stop being stupid.  They are welcome to buy $300,000 tickets.  It's just harder to break the rules.
Try to insult me all you want,  your still wrong.

    imagine's avatar - WINGS

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    Posted: August 6, 2011, 7:04 pm - IP Logged

    Simply insults and meanness to attempt to justify his opinion.

    First it was they are just smarter and did nothing wrong,  now it's punishing people by limiting ticket sales.

      Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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      Posted: August 6, 2011, 7:10 pm - IP Logged

      Simply insults and meanness to attempt to justify his opinion.

      First it was they are just smarter and did nothing wrong,  now it's punishing people by limiting ticket sales.

      Yeah, there's some people that just won't respond to logic and reasoning, they just react with pure emotion. They live to push other people's buttons. Don't waste your time on them.

        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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        Posted: August 6, 2011, 7:30 pm - IP Logged

        The few have been doing the misdeeds for years.

        Stop turning it into a big brother argument.

        Stop being stupid.  They are welcome to buy $300,000 tickets.  It's just harder to break the rules.
        Try to insult me all you want,  your still wrong.

        "The few have been doing the misdeeds for years."

         

        Then why not punish the few?

        Why do you insist on having the 'Big Brother' solution of punishing everybody?

        Because you're a lib and that's your nature, that's why.

        You want a nanny state controlling every aspect of everybody's life.

        You want a government permit and guarantee of absolute fairness and dolphin-free air  for every breath you take.

        Well guess what? A lot of us like freedom and can take care of ourselves.

          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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          Posted: August 6, 2011, 7:33 pm - IP Logged

          Simply insults and meanness to attempt to justify his opinion.

          First it was they are just smarter and did nothing wrong,  now it's punishing people by limiting ticket sales.

          Try making sense if you want to make a point.

          Your acting like an hysterical woman.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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            rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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            Posted: August 6, 2011, 7:36 pm - IP Logged

            Yeah, there's some people that just won't respond to logic and reasoning, they just react with pure emotion. They live to push other people's buttons. Don't waste your time on them.

            Yes, I think you're right but I had to at least try talking some sense into him.

            I can deal with all his vicious name-calling - I just wanted to help him.

            I tried to take him under my wing but some men you just can't reach.

            Maybe you're right, that I shouldn't waste my time on him but it goes against my nature not to help people.


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                        --Edmund Burke

             

             

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              Posted: August 6, 2011, 7:54 pm - IP Logged

              There are 2 main questions here:

               

              1>   Were the people who used large 6 figure bets to win during rolldown periods cheating?

              The answer is a flat NO. They played within the game rules and anyone from the general public with the funds and knowledge of how the game works could have placed the same bets they did. (they are not responsible for vendors who didnt follow rules) 

              2>   Was the lottery correct to change the rules, making it difficult (discriminating against) high volume customers?

              Absolutely. The lottery's a for-profit business, not a pubic service, so whatever rule changes they feel are necessary to keep sales up, they'll make. In this case most of their customers didn't have a bankroll large enough to take full advantage of rollovers. and if customers feel its not an even playing field, ticket sales will drop.

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                Posted: August 6, 2011, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

                There are 2 main questions here:

                 

                1>   Were the people who used large 6 figure bets to win during rolldown periods cheating?

                The answer is a flat NO. They played within the game rules and anyone from the general public with the funds and knowledge of how the game works could have placed the same bets they did. (they are not responsible for vendors who didnt follow rules) 

                2>   Was the lottery correct to change the rules, making it difficult (discriminating against) high volume customers?

                Absolutely. The lottery's a for-profit business, not a pubic service, so whatever rule changes they feel are necessary to keep sales up, they'll make. In this case most of their customers didn't have a bankroll large enough to take full advantage of rollovers. and if customers feel its not an even playing field, ticket sales will drop.

                So why are the retailers that sold them the tickets suspended from selling tickets?
                Because the high rollers themselves were the vendors.  Printing their own tickets outside store hours.

                They were just smart to find someone willing to break the rules.

                  rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                  Posted: August 6, 2011, 8:08 pm - IP Logged

                  There are 2 main questions here:

                   

                  1>   Were the people who used large 6 figure bets to win during rolldown periods cheating?

                  The answer is a flat NO. They played within the game rules and anyone from the general public with the funds and knowledge of how the game works could have placed the same bets they did. (they are not responsible for vendors who didnt follow rules) 

                  2>   Was the lottery correct to change the rules, making it difficult (discriminating against) high volume customers?

                  Absolutely. The lottery's a for-profit business, not a pubic service, so whatever rule changes they feel are necessary to keep sales up, they'll make. In this case most of their customers didn't have a bankroll large enough to take full advantage of rollovers. and if customers feel its not an even playing field, ticket sales will drop.

                  Now that was rational and reasonable.

                  Well stated, management. Thumbs Up


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                    Posted: August 6, 2011, 8:12 pm - IP Logged

                    So why are the retailers that sold them the tickets suspended from selling tickets?
                    Because the high rollers themselves were the vendors.  Printing their own tickets outside store hours.

                    They were just smart to find someone willing to break the rules.

                    "So why are the retailers that sold them the tickets suspended from selling tickets?"

                     

                    To assuage the hysterical broke-ass masses who think that somehow, somewhere, someway - they were being cheated.    Crazy

                    Smile - you won.


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

                    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                                --Edmund Burke

                     

                     

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                      Posted: August 6, 2011, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

                      Eventually they will change the rules.  This is just the first bureaucratic move to appease the "little guy". P.S. it is the "plague".  The federal govt. is like the the bubonic plague.

                      did't take long did it ?

                      Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

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                        Posted: August 7, 2011, 5:49 pm - IP Logged

                        In case you missed it. Just saw this story again on the weekend edition of Inside Edition.

                        Guess Who's Back?

                          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                          Posted: August 7, 2011, 6:28 pm - IP Logged

                          In case you missed it. Just saw this story again on the weekend edition of Inside Edition.

                          Oh no Win, I hope I don't have to explain it to those guys again! LOL

                            Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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                            Posted: August 7, 2011, 7:46 pm - IP Logged

                            Oh no Win, I hope I don't have to explain it to those guys again! LOL

                            What don't you get? Management and myself already explained it to you quite thoroughly, go back and read.

                            I never said the players did anything wrong, but I agree that the lotto commission had to take action, as the game was flawed. The lottery is supposed to ba a game of chance, with equal risk and reward for all players large and small. So when a problem or loophole is discovered in a game, they have to take corrective action. It was not some "oh the government and the liberals are out to get me" hysterics that you were whining about, it was business.

                            Such was the case here, where the well intentioned rolldown feature on a jackpot game created a loophole where a minority of players with the knowledge and ability could have significantly reduced risk. Or with the extended play Scratch game playfield patterns was found to have a flaw, they needed to take corrective action there. Or when the pick-3 RNG was found to not be producing certain kinds of numbers, they had to take corrective action there. Otherwise the integrity of the lottery would be in question, as it would be weighted towards a minority who had the knowledge and ability to take advantage of it.

                            Why you would be arguing against this is beyond me. Except that you tend to want to argue about anything just for aguins sake...

                              rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                              What don't you get? Management and myself already explained it to you quite thoroughly, go back and read.

                              I never said the players did anything wrong, but I agree that the lotto commission had to take action, as the game was flawed. The lottery is supposed to ba a game of chance, with equal risk and reward for all players large and small. So when a problem or loophole is discovered in a game, they have to take corrective action. It was not some "oh the government and the liberals are out to get me" hysterics that you were whining about, it was business.

                              Such was the case here, where the well intentioned rolldown feature on a jackpot game created a loophole where a minority of players with the knowledge and ability could have significantly reduced risk. Or with the extended play Scratch game playfield patterns was found to have a flaw, they needed to take corrective action there. Or when the pick-3 RNG was found to not be producing certain kinds of numbers, they had to take corrective action there. Otherwise the integrity of the lottery would be in question, as it would be weighted towards a minority who had the knowledge and ability to take advantage of it.

                              Why you would be arguing against this is beyond me. Except that you tend to want to argue about anything just for aguins sake...

                              "...it would be weighted towards a minority who had the knowledge and ability to take advantage of it."

                               

                              There is no need to be a bigot.

                              Minorities have just as much right to win as you do.


                                                                           
                                                   
                                                                       

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                                                                                                                 

                              "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                                          --Edmund Burke