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Posted: November 5, 2011, 5:35 pm - IP Logged

What Taxachusetts should do is just go door-to-door saying "Stick-em up!". Surrender

It would be more direct and in line with their attitude towards those who win more money than they play.

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    Posted: November 5, 2011, 6:48 pm - IP Logged

    This entire story shows guilt on both sides. THis so called "professional gambler" is definitely not winning directly from the gaming industry...its a red herring to be sure. THe problem with the state's allegations is they didnt THINK or ACT to charge him with the correct and factual acts he is committing on a daily basis.

    Burden of proof lays with the state..and they blew it big time. I would have nailed him to produce his so called Winning Method that created all these wins.

    He can say that he asked his cousin to buy him some tickets in another area..its done all the time...he just better have ALOT of close friends and relatives willing to go before the courts to attest on that fact.

    I dont cheer on anyone trying to evade taxes nor do I cheer on a state that creates rules and forgets that loopholes are abound .This guy covered his bases well enough to cause more leg work then the state was willing to persue.

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      Posted: November 5, 2011, 7:17 pm - IP Logged

      this story is full of fail on state govt tax workers part

       

      "suspected" no one trained  these morons i see, suspect=guilty     , their no Presumption of innocence in tax code word per say.

      sadly the irs, and state level tax people, never, Ever use motto in their work of, innocent until proven guilty , their so assbackards, its a joke

      they claim you did a crime,tax evade, and then its up to you to disprove their wild baseless claims. with facts and records. its a sick joke of united states law world.

      and this story proves it

      i mean, he kept records,   , if he lawyer word to be trusted, a Lot , tons and  tons of records.

      and they never even showed up to look it at, or request it form lawyer office, omfg....................

      so ofc, when the Appellate Tax Board discovered  that revenue officials "virtually ignored" ever proof he hid to back up hes story, , and they just had a presumption of guilt , they Had to dismiss it, they must know the agents handleing hes case are morons and not fit for the office they hold in tax departments. or  its even worst, they know their all idiots, but won't do a thing, case  voters don't care. so they don't care....................... gasp.

      T"he auditors never conducted a field audit to gain a better understanding of how thorough his records of losses were, nor even a desk audit"

       

      the whole thing just yells classic govt thinking, ,  we suspect you in our imaginations Only,     of wrong doing, their by your guilty as charged, now pay up whatever we say you owe us.

      these morons are beyond belief.......................... thanks for story tod,

       

      this just goes to show, Kept your losing tickets always people, you can write off losers to winnings they try to tax in same tax year.

      and if they have a issue with it, then  they better get off their govt lazy butts and go look at your records for real. or tell them to stfu and go try to screw some other sucker out of their money. cease you refuse to let these monkeys change reality of cold hard facts.

      The burden is on taxpayers to keep records backing up their deductions., but they didn't even check hes records when he hid them for f sakes.

      govt , plz go screw your self , your unbelievable stupidly is hard to take all at once.

       

      i love to be lawyer for case's like this,      its such a easy win,

      when your dealing with idiotic , unfit tax govt workers trying to claim ,    only  via their wild imaginations,   any and all records are bs,   , they don't even brother to request to look it, or see real copy's of losing tickets  in units, noooooooooooooo,     its not real, their all no records here"jedi mind trick"  now pay up.  classic govt logic.

      am loving it.  score one for people writing off lose's, just save the proof, and let govt idiots try to disprove reality with their imagination ,

      govt workers really do live in a world of imagination, how else can you have world of Presumption of Guilty to proven innocence . , my god.

       

      my more insulted, that guy they charge of trying to get out of tax's ,       made sure to keep all losers, have all the proof, all records, knowing he needs Proof to write off losers,  and is treated this way.

      my god that lawyer must be telling hes other lawyer buddies how stupid these people are. 

      smart lottery winners are not many, so when tax people come, their not trained  to handle  smarter people then they are,

      their trained to attack and try to get as much money, regardless of proof  . they are scum bags.

      am all for  taking out guilty, but you must Never do harm to a innocence person.  if even 1 innocence person gets screwed by state or irs tax people,1  out of 100 that is, , whole tax code should be destroyed and remade,  what happened to treating people like you want to be treated

       

      these govt workers are telling word by their actions, they treat others very badly,  and don't give a <snip> about your innocence.

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        Posted: November 5, 2011, 7:22 pm - IP Logged

        The state would much rather go after someone without all those tickets and records to go through - too much work. They gave it a shot without doing the work and got shot down. Tabulating and cataloging bins full of losing lottery tickets at the office isn't a very glamorous task, much nicer to be out in your taxpayer provided car pretending to be working and eating out on the expense account.

        They'll find some less prepared schmuck or innocent citizen and nail him to the wall to avenge this embarrassment.


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

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          Posted: November 5, 2011, 7:48 pm - IP Logged

          What Taxachusetts should do is just go door-to-door saying "Stick-em up!". Surrender

          It would be more direct and in line with their attitude towards those who win more money than they play.

          time*treat...your post reminded me of this video:

           

           

          @TheGameGrl

          "nor do I cheer on a state that creates rules and forgets that loopholes are abound ." 

          While I agree with your post, I do wish you (and others) would not call legitimate business deductions, "loopholes." 

          The word, Loopholes, creates the insinuation that business deductions should somehow be avoided. Flat taxes attempt to eliminate deductions - I've never seen a flat tax that I like or one that was fair.   A major reason why Cain's 999 plan is doomed to failure.

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            Posted: November 5, 2011, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

            time*treat...your post reminded me of this video:

             

             

            @TheGameGrl

            "nor do I cheer on a state that creates rules and forgets that loopholes are abound ." 

            While I agree with your post, I do wish you (and others) would not call legitimate business deductions, "loopholes." 

            The word, Loopholes, creates the insinuation that business deductions should somehow be avoided. Flat taxes attempt to eliminate deductions - I've never seen a flat tax that I like or one that was fair.   A major reason why Cain's 999 plan is doomed to failure.

            I share your sentiments that no good comes from flat taxing.

            I graciously disagree with your comments on the  business tax write offs....Rubashkin was notorious for this for years . Now go do your homework or at best..consider it food for thought.

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              Posted: November 5, 2011, 10:05 pm - IP Logged

              I share your sentiments that no good comes from flat taxing.

              I graciously disagree with your comments on the  business tax write offs....Rubashkin was notorious for this for years . Now go do your homework or at best..consider it food for thought.

              If a crook is a crook - then that is entirely different than someone taking legitimate deductions.  If you could direct me to something more specific regarding Rubashkin, I'd be happy to reply.  Although, with everything he (Rubashkin) was convicted on, it is hard to see the comparison between him and someone that obeyed the law and saved losing lottery tickets.

              There are many that like to bend the tax laws for their own benefit - however, everyone knows that isn't legal.  Business deductions that are allowed by law can't by definition be considered loopholes.  At least in my opinion.  A loophole would be something overlooked by the writers of the law and discovered by someone putting it to his/her advantage, does that sound correct to you?  There was nothing overlooked here, in fact it is nothing more than standard business accounting.  (Gross - Costs = Net Profit).

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                Posted: November 5, 2011, 10:10 pm - IP Logged

                The State knows if they really go after guys like this, then they will be forced to go after soda/beer can collectors. And we all know what those people look like. It wouldn't be pretty. Don't be greety mr. state. Leave it alone.

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                  Posted: November 5, 2011, 10:34 pm - IP Logged

                  News articles like this one published here are why I enjoy The Lottery Post so much.  Call me naive, but I've never heard of "10 percenters", so I learned a little something from reading the story. 

                  For my part, I'm inclined to believe The Commonwealth of Massachusetts's theory of the guy being in the business of cashing other peoples winning tickets. Maybe he isnt, but if he is, then my hat is off to him for his entrenpeneurial creativity.

                  My question is this; How would one go about starting up a 10 percent business, and then grow it to the size the guy obviously has?  It aint like ya could advertize in the local paper.

                  My question is this; How would one go about starting up a 10 percent business

                  If you couldn't prove you were a professional lottery player you could end up paying regular taxes on the original winnings at the regular rate which is greater than 10%.  I would think anyone cashing lottery tickets would keep at least 25% same as the state does when it cashes the tickets.  After all the persons cashing lottery tickets that way is probably trying to avoid more than just paying taxes on his winnings.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    time*treat...your post reminded me of this video:

                     

                     

                    @TheGameGrl

                    "nor do I cheer on a state that creates rules and forgets that loopholes are abound ." 

                    While I agree with your post, I do wish you (and others) would not call legitimate business deductions, "loopholes." 

                    The word, Loopholes, creates the insinuation that business deductions should somehow be avoided. Flat taxes attempt to eliminate deductions - I've never seen a flat tax that I like or one that was fair.   A major reason why Cain's 999 plan is doomed to failure.

                    I  can  almost picture this happpening in real like ..the  I.R.S. keeps telling my good friend that his wife is still alive even though she's died about fifteen years aready..And i was at the wake..

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                      Posted: November 5, 2011, 10:53 pm - IP Logged

                      Even if he is a ticket casher, which most likely he is, the state has no way of catching him. He probably wont cash a total strangers' winning tickets. And most people who go to him seem like the kind that do not like to deal with the state so they would not cooperate if they asked how come they were seen on the store camera buying the winning ticket and someone else going to the lottery commission to claim it.

                      I am glad that someone is winning this money because I sure am not. Megamillions 2011 I've won exactly $ Angry

                      Let the guy make his money. Too much government is suffocating!

                      That money's gone fo ever

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                        The state would much rather go after someone without all those tickets and records to go through - too much work. They gave it a shot without doing the work and got shot down. Tabulating and cataloging bins full of losing lottery tickets at the office isn't a very glamorous task, much nicer to be out in your taxpayer provided car pretending to be working and eating out on the expense account.

                        They'll find some less prepared schmuck or innocent citizen and nail him to the wall to avenge this embarrassment.

                        I Agree!

                        Yep had the IRS audit me one time back in the 60s when I was self employed. Did not keep an accurate record of vehicle mileage to and from work. Nailed me for a whole $40.00 in additional taxes. Big Grin

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                          There is no where on the back of these scratch tickets in Mass that states you must be present when buying these tickets.example I give tickets all the time as gifts.So for the state to prove he did not buy these tickets would be impossible.I keep losing tickets all the time to write off on large winning tickets also get statements from casino's on play for the year.Problem is IRS or State plays the game of investigating people several years after these winning and losing happen,hoping you have not kept at least ten years worth of records and losing tickets.as Mr jones stated had records and boxes in paid storage unit,you would need something like this at your expense,State and IRS usually win most cases because people don't have the smarts or place and time to keep such things or the knowledge to save all this for many years.Glad to see some little guy beat the big guys for a change...Thing i would like to know is where does the money go when lottery tickets are lost or not claimed,with the big pots megabucks/megamillion/powerball, I think when time runs out and ticket not claimed it should go back into the next drawings of that game.And why in Mass  are scratch tickets payouts getting fewer and fewer yet the same amount of tickets being produced per game.You have to laugh when you hear the Mass Lottery claim sales are down, poor babies,yet look at profit for the year into the BILLIONS sometime go to the mass lottery . com site and look at just how many scratch tickets are on sale at local stores.Have to love when the lottery claims how much is gives each town and city,the roads are the worst in Country and don't see the schools doing any better because of lottery,there have been several scandals involving the lottery in Mass. but gets swept under table and forgotten about.

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                            Posted: November 6, 2011, 4:59 am - IP Logged

                            CoffeeWaw! I wish I could also be lucky enough! it is every mans dream to cash every single lottery ticket he has bought! but I guess and also as he has admitted he must have spent more than he had won.

                            I Agree!

                            There are no born heroes or winners........it takes a hammer a chisel,a vision and a will to suffer the blows and be carved into one!..........

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                              The state would much rather go after someone without all those tickets and records to go through - too much work. They gave it a shot without doing the work and got shot down. Tabulating and cataloging bins full of losing lottery tickets at the office isn't a very glamorous task, much nicer to be out in your taxpayer provided car pretending to be working and eating out on the expense account.

                              They'll find some less prepared schmuck or innocent citizen and nail him to the wall to avenge this embarrassment.

                              Hummm, you sound like you speak from experience? Do we have a x-irs agent in our amist?Eek