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A $1 ticket won the jackpot, yes. And it sounds unreasonable that three guys would split one $1 ticket.

But how do we know he didn't buy three $1 tickets or fifteen $1 tickets or thirty $1 tickets?

They have no legal obligation to give us any details.

There's a member here who has a friend who says if he ever wins a jackpot he's gonna tell the press it was the first time he ever played, just to piss people off.

So trying to develop a theory based on the word of people who aren't under oath or obligation can be an exercise in futility.

HAHAHA!

That's a good idea to do if I win.  Tell them it was my first time buying a lottery ticket! Green laugh

I love it!

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    I am sick of people obsessing over who the "real" winner is. If a "real" winner exists (which I do think is the case), it is their business to remain private. The media needs to find real things to report on.

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      there seems to be some disbeleif in the fact 3 RICH guys would only buy 1 ticket.

      you people obviously dont know many rich guys; they're real cheapskates.

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        Posted: December 1, 2011, 9:36 am - IP Logged

        A $1 ticket won the jackpot, yes. And it sounds unreasonable that three guys would split one $1 ticket.

        But how do we know he didn't buy three $1 tickets or fifteen $1 tickets or thirty $1 tickets?

        They have no legal obligation to give us any details.

        There's a member here who has a friend who says if he ever wins a jackpot he's gonna tell the press it was the first time he ever played, just to piss people off.

        So trying to develop a theory based on the word of people who aren't under oath or obligation can be an exercise in futility.

        "But how do we know he didn't buy three $1 tickets or fifteen $1 tickets or thirty $1 tickets?"

        Or how do we know if the other 2 guys didn't buy one ticket, three, fifteen, or thirty with the idea of splitting all the tickets?

        When people go to lottery headquarters to validated their winning ticket, I seriously doubt they bring in all their losing tickets too. After reading some of the remarks, I'm wondering if some have ever bought multiple tickets because many stores give me 10 separate $1 tickets when I ask for "ten QPs". I suppose the only reason to call it a $1 ticket is to distinguish it from a $2 Powerplay ticket and not intended to fool all the people believing three players pooled $1.

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          Several people have claimed the 3 asset managers are weathy. No where in the news stories were they identified as wealthy. They do not own the money their company manages. Just like a bank manager does not own all the money in the bank.

          Good luck.

          While it's true those 3 guys werent identified as wealthy, if you know the region where they hail from, and you take a look at Belpointe's website, it can easily be seen they're very well heeled. The "Bel" in Belpointe stands for  Brandon E. Lacoff, one of the three "winners".  Belpointe is a company started by Lacoff. It's also true his firm is a "boutique" asset management firm, in that it's small in comparison to the major Wall Street asset management firms.  But believe you me, he aint hurtin' when it comes to his own personal wealth.

          About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!


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            Here's an idea, kick Connecticut out of MM and PB along with New York and California.

            Those states can have their own lottery and win it all day long.  People from Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, etc. never win.

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              A $1 ticket won the jackpot, yes. And it sounds unreasonable that three guys would split one $1 ticket.

              But how do we know he didn't buy three $1 tickets or fifteen $1 tickets or thirty $1 tickets?

              They have no legal obligation to give us any details.

              There's a member here who has a friend who says if he ever wins a jackpot he's gonna tell the press it was the first time he ever played, just to piss people off.

              So trying to develop a theory based on the word of people who aren't under oath or obligation can be an exercise in futility.

              A good and valid point RR.  It's very possible he did buy three $1 tickets, or who knows how many indivdual one dollar tickets?? 

              And I think it's a pretty safe bet that with the exception of that single winning ticket, all of other tickets were losers. Nobody talks about tickets that are losers the way people talk about the ticket that wins big.

              And to you last point, hell, trying to develope a theory based upon the word of people who are under oath, can be an exercise in futility too! 

              Dont get me wrong.  I dont care who really won.  But there's a side of me that says somethin is kinda shaky here.  I do think if they are in fact a front for somebody else, it's one helluva good and original idea.

              About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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                Posted: December 1, 2011, 5:07 pm - IP Logged

                "But how do we know he didn't buy three $1 tickets or fifteen $1 tickets or thirty $1 tickets?"

                Or how do we know if the other 2 guys didn't buy one ticket, three, fifteen, or thirty with the idea of splitting all the tickets?

                When people go to lottery headquarters to validated their winning ticket, I seriously doubt they bring in all their losing tickets too. After reading some of the remarks, I'm wondering if some have ever bought multiple tickets because many stores give me 10 separate $1 tickets when I ask for "ten QPs". I suppose the only reason to call it a $1 ticket is to distinguish it from a $2 Powerplay ticket and not intended to fool all the people believing three players pooled $1.

                I once bought a $10 PB QP.  The kid behind the counter asked me if I wanted ten separate tickets or was 10 lines on one ticket OK?

                I said; "What the hells the difference? It dont make no neverminds tuh me!" 

                To my surprise, the kid said; "I dunno what the difference is, but you'd be amazed at the number of people who want 10 separate tickets." 

                Live and learn and to each his own.

                About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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                  The reason they ask is, if you take the 10 picks on one ticket the numbers run concurently if you take 10 seperate tickets the computer has to generate 10 seperate tickets with 10 different  sets of numbers that they have to generate not just run them concurent with the first set of numbers.
                  Buy $5.00 worth on one ticket and $5.00 on seperate tickets and see how the numbers will be a lot different on the seperate tickets. That on the all on one ticket you get repeat Powerball numbers  where on the seperate tickets you get five different Powerball numbers, unless you want all the same Powerball number.  This was explained by a retailer that sells a lot of tickets in my area of WI. They said thats why most people will ask for seperate tickets even it's $2.00 on up.

                  Now on these gentlemen that won, I think something is amiss here. First a guy called and said he lost the Ticket, then these three come up with the Ticket. I know it's possible to win on a $1.00 Ticket, but CT.? There are more people in Dallas/ Fort Worth probably than in CT and they hardly have a winner and Texas is one of the states that is a actual Mega Million state that and Illinois and they haven't had a JackPot winner in forever and they are also a original not a add on state that just sells Mega Million tickets.

                  Why is it that when the JackPots get real Big is it New York, CT, California , or some of the other east coast cities that are on the list for being the most luckiest place to win the lottery jackpots.  I mean at 180 million to one odds and it's always one of those states that win the Big ones, it does seem like  both PowerBall and Mega Millions knows where and when the winner is going to be. Every now and again they throw a token state in there that hasn't won in a while just so people don't get mad.                                I had posed this question to our state lottery board, they told me it's run by computers and you can't do anything to them, I say if it's a computer chip it can be told what to do and when. My son is a computer geek, and he agreed with me, a computer does what you tell it what to do, when and how.                                                                      This is just my little low life opinion, so please don't jump on my back, it's bad enough as it is. lol

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                    Pardon, Here in America when the "title" is President and CEO/CFO, they pretty much run the business and its FINANCIALS. IT has ZERO to do with the policy of management for its accounts. If you care to disprove such then follow thru with evidence , please do so, otherwise recheck the facts jack.

                     

                    ANd to the folks here who are natural skeptics on these guys, what does it really matter to YOU?? Its clearly not your money and not your real business to know if they are "fronting". I still beleive in honesty and these guys winning fair and square, none of you would think twice if they were preachers or down on their luck and won. ITs when someone who is "educated" , well versed and seasoned with how to manage money that boogles the average set mind to see them Claim such an amount. The lottery doesnt discriminate between a persons no sense or common sense or how they are employed....

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                      Pardon, Here in America when the "title" is President and CEO/CFO, they pretty much run the business and its FINANCIALS. IT has ZERO to do with the policy of management for its accounts. If you care to disprove such then follow thru with evidence , please do so, otherwise recheck the facts jack.

                       

                      ANd to the folks here who are natural skeptics on these guys, what does it really matter to YOU?? Its clearly not your money and not your real business to know if they are "fronting". I still beleive in honesty and these guys winning fair and square, none of you would think twice if they were preachers or down on their luck and won. ITs when someone who is "educated" , well versed and seasoned with how to manage money that boogles the average set mind to see them Claim such an amount. The lottery doesnt discriminate between a persons no sense or common sense or how they are employed....

                      Ask the President at the bank you deal with if they personally own all the money in the vault.

                      Good luck.

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                        Here's an idea, kick Connecticut out of MM and PB along with New York and California.

                        Those states can have their own lottery and win it all day long.  People from Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, etc. never win.

                         Connecticut is a fishy spot, New York and California should get together and create a 2 state game they will do fine. Chair

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                          The reason they ask is, if you take the 10 picks on one ticket the numbers run concurently if you take 10 seperate tickets the computer has to generate 10 seperate tickets with 10 different  sets of numbers that they have to generate not just run them concurent with the first set of numbers.
                          Buy $5.00 worth on one ticket and $5.00 on seperate tickets and see how the numbers will be a lot different on the seperate tickets. That on the all on one ticket you get repeat Powerball numbers  where on the seperate tickets you get five different Powerball numbers, unless you want all the same Powerball number.  This was explained by a retailer that sells a lot of tickets in my area of WI. They said thats why most people will ask for seperate tickets even it's $2.00 on up.

                          Now on these gentlemen that won, I think something is amiss here. First a guy called and said he lost the Ticket, then these three come up with the Ticket. I know it's possible to win on a $1.00 Ticket, but CT.? There are more people in Dallas/ Fort Worth probably than in CT and they hardly have a winner and Texas is one of the states that is a actual Mega Million state that and Illinois and they haven't had a JackPot winner in forever and they are also a original not a add on state that just sells Mega Million tickets.

                          Why is it that when the JackPots get real Big is it New York, CT, California , or some of the other east coast cities that are on the list for being the most luckiest place to win the lottery jackpots.  I mean at 180 million to one odds and it's always one of those states that win the Big ones, it does seem like  both PowerBall and Mega Millions knows where and when the winner is going to be. Every now and again they throw a token state in there that hasn't won in a while just so people don't get mad.                                I had posed this question to our state lottery board, they told me it's run by computers and you can't do anything to them, I say if it's a computer chip it can be told what to do and when. My son is a computer geek, and he agreed with me, a computer does what you tell it what to do, when and how.                                                                      This is just my little low life opinion, so please don't jump on my back, it's bad enough as it is. lol

                          Much of what you said in your post, LottoLin, is very true.

                          I guess I could be called a "computer geek" too.  I'm a retired data processing professional.  I worked hand in glove with many IBM mainframe computer programmers for over 30 years in a large datacenter. You're right, a computer can only do what a programmer tells it to do.  And, a computer program can be tampered with, or a  program might simply have a "bug" in the code which could cause it to provide erroneous output.  There are even some programmers that deliberately write malicious programs that can harm software running on your computer.  Those kinds of programs are referred to as computer viruses.

                          The type of computer programs that generate lines of numbers to be printed on a lottery ticket are known as "Random Number Generators".  They're used to randomly generate a "string" or line of numbers.  Do they always generate repeat Powerball numbers all on one ticket?  That's a definite maybe.  Sometimes they do, and sometimes they dont.  But I agree with you, they sure seem to me like they always do that!  And I hate that! 

                          As for all the big jackpots being won in New York or California, well, those two states do have a lot more lottery players living in them compared to a state such as Wyoming.  Which simply means more tickets are sold in those states than in a state such as Kansas, where there arent nearly as many lottery players living there. With more tickets being sold in some states than others, the chances are pretty good that the winning ticket will be sold in the states where the most tickets are sold.  The same phenominom happens within the confines of the borders of The State of New York.  Everybody living in upstate NY will tell you most of the jackpot winners always come from New York City. (downstate)

                          Whether the lottery playing public living in other states likes it or not, New York's lottery is the largest and most profitable lottery in North America.  And that's simply because they sell the most tickets.

                          About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!


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                            Three money managers who claimed the state's record-breaking $254.2 million Powerball jackpot on Monday may still have a fight ahead of them in the court of public opinion.

                            A day after the trio announced they had scored the windfall on a $1 ticket one of them bought at a gas station, media reports surfaced Tuesday that the men had in fact acted on behalf of an anonymous client.

                            The speculation started almost immediately: Who could the mystery buyer be? A lucky hedge-fund king? A big-name banker too shy — or guilt-ridden — to go public?

                            But late in the day, a spokesman for the men, all colleagues at Belpointe Asset Management in Greenwich, denied the story. The men are who they say they are, he said — co-workers who formed a trust to collect the $104 million lump sum and to give much of the money away to charity.

                            "To be clear, there are a total of three trustees and there is no anonymous fourth participant," said spokesman Gary Lewi. "Within the next 10 days the [Putnam Avenue Family] Trust will be distributing $1 million" to veterans charities in the tri-state area.

                            Before the lottery winnings, Belpointe managed $85 million, according to a Securities and Exchange filing.

                            None of the winners, Belpointe President Greg Skidmore and co-workers Brandon Lacoff and Tim Davidson, could be reached for comment on Tuesday.

                            The existence of the trust, named after the street where they work, has seemed to only encourage skepticism.

                            It's legal to claim lottery winnings through a trust, though additional beneficiaries can be added at a later date. Moreover, the person holding the winning ticket isn't required to have purchased the ticket, Connecticut lottery officials said.

                            Connecticut's Department of Consumer Protection, which oversees the lottery operation, said that it believes the rules were followed and that it isn't investigating.

                            Curiosity had surrounded the jackpot, Connecticut's largest ever, since the winning ticket was drawn Nov. 2.

                            For nearly a month, the state urged the winner to come out on billboards and answered what officials called "anonymous phone calls asking about the process," said Lottery chairman Frank Farricker.

                            At a news conference organized by the Connecticut Lottery on Monday, Messrs. Skidmore, Lacoff and Davidson posed for pictures with an oversize check. Mr. Davidson recalled buying a single Quick Pick ticket at a Stamford gas station but revealed few additional details. The group's attorney, Jason Kurland, answered most of the crowd's questions.

                            The owner of the gas station where the winning ticket was purchased said he didn't remember Mr. Davidson, but then, the days had been busy.

                            On Tuesday, Greenwich resident Thomas Gladstone told the Greenwich Time newspaper the actual ticket belongs to one of Belpointe's clients.

                            He described himself as a close friend of Mr. Lacoff. Mr. Gladstone couldn't be reached for comment.

                            Speculation ran rampant, with possible winners ranging from a Greenwich billionaire who didn't want to be targeted by the jealous masses to a Stamford firefighter.

                            "Are you kidding me?" said a person who answered the phone Tuesday at Stamford's Fire Department. If someone there had won, everyone would be talking about it, he added.

                            Many raised another question: If the money managers weren't the real winners, why would they have participated in a media event that's not mandatory? "It's not required they come to a press conference, but it's important for the integrity of the game for people to see who won the significant jackpot," Mr. Farricker said.

                            Money manager Michael Holland of New Canaan, who doesn't know the men, said regardless, he still "can't believe they had their pictures taken" in a climate where Wall Street has come under intense protest.

                            "With Occupy Wall Street, it is so bizarre that they would put themselves out there," he said.

                            C'mon man. These are already rich. They won't even appreciate the money because they already filty rich. They just steal the dream of someone who really need to win the money away. This is not fair. That money won't do them any good. The rich people are to greedy.


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                              Here's an idea, kick Connecticut out of MM and PB along with New York and California.

                              Those states can have their own lottery and win it all day long.  People from Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, etc. never win.

                              Are you kidding me? Those state win often