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Posted: March 14, 2012, 10:54 pm - IP Logged

 You ask me, Neither of them should get the money. HE IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, HOW IN HELL IS HE ALLOWED TO WIN THE LOTTERY ?!!!! And his boss is a <snip> too. #1 for hiring an illegal in the first place and #2 for pulling that stunt he pulled.

What should be done:

1-kick his illegal arse back to his country

2-strip his boss of any licenses he carries

3-donate the money to a worthwile charity.

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Somewhere in history, illegal immigrants were enslaved in america,making plantation Owners Rich...and it was entirely LEGAL. Just because its legal or illegal , this was a CASE of Morality and honesty. The Gent who ran off with the monies is immoral and attempted to scam the true claimant.

Another story...in Germany time...some particular secular folks were encamped becuase a ruler decided they were "illegal"/"substandard"....Sorta the same attitude exhibited by some of the less then open minded persons in comments here.

Will agree that #2 and #3 are worthy in thought yet impractical for other reasons...would you like it if ANYONE told you HOW to spend YOUR  winnings????

To answer the question of how he can collect...read the lottery claim rules...He is over 18, able to gamble and won. I dont care where he was born...its imaginary lines and dirt anyways....that divides humanity...the rest we let our minds divide us...

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    Posted: March 14, 2012, 11:55 pm - IP Logged

    Do you people know why the lottery commissions are not about to deny illegal immigrants the big prizes if they happen to win? because they know as soon as the word goes out that illegal immigrants cannot collect, the lotteries will lose more than the illegals. For every illegal immigrant that wins $1,000,000 the lotteries probably make ten times that much from the same demographic. Unless the politicians fix the immigration issue, businesses are not about to turn away from a ready market.

    Anyways, I am so glad that the small guy was given what was legally his. Now they should force him to leave the country after paying all the taxes he has not been paying.

    That money's gone fo ever

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      Posted: March 15, 2012, 12:30 am - IP Logged

      Somewhere in history, illegal immigrants were enslaved in america,making plantation Owners Rich...and it was entirely LEGAL. Just because its legal or illegal , this was a CASE of Morality and honesty. The Gent who ran off with the monies is immoral and attempted to scam the true claimant.

      Another story...in Germany time...some particular secular folks were encamped becuase a ruler decided they were "illegal"/"substandard"....Sorta the same attitude exhibited by some of the less then open minded persons in comments here.

      Will agree that #2 and #3 are worthy in thought yet impractical for other reasons...would you like it if ANYONE told you HOW to spend YOUR  winnings????

      To answer the question of how he can collect...read the lottery claim rules...He is over 18, able to gamble and won. I dont care where he was born...its imaginary lines and dirt anyways....that divides humanity...the rest we let our minds divide us...

       Every race on this planet has been subject to slavery at on time or another. That argument holds no weight. So we are supposed to let everyone in the world in that wants to come? Do you think this country able to support everyone in the world ? What because 200 years ago slavery was rampant in America?At what point do we draw the line and say enough is enough ?

       I am now less than open minded because I believe in national integrity and security. Those "imaginary lines and dirt" are what keeps us safe. They are what make us American citizens and you should be thankful they're there.

      Scratchies for the win!

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        Posted: March 15, 2012, 12:42 am - IP Logged

        Appears that this illegal alien, Cua-Toc, who also recently received a conviction, is still good at hiring lawyers and having American citizens pay for them, and also paying himself several thousand dollars for emotions. 

        I say:  1) Award Cua-Toc the lottery jackpot win money, since that is lottery rules; 2) Be sure that at least 30% of lottery jackpot win was collected in year 2010 by our Federal Government through income taxes [a shame that the fed collects lower rate than 35%,  and the state and county doesn't collect for income tax for illegal alien's income winnings with the loophole]; 3) Deport this illegal alien [Cua-Toc] since he collected a CONVICTION in this country; 4) Deeply fine Cervantes AND deport all of Cervantes illegal alien employees; and 5) Monitor Cervantes, often, in future business dealings to ensure that he doesn't repeat wrong doings.

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          Posted: March 15, 2012, 8:29 am - IP Logged

          You people are such hypocrites. You hate illegal aliens until they are building your houses for cheap, doing your landscaping and housework for cheap etc etc. 

          He paid his money for the ticket and he won fair and square, deal with it, and now he has probably paid more taxes than you all have in your lives making him a better citizen than most of you for the country. BTW all you need is to invest $500,000 in this country and you get residency, so he is good. 

          Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting. Changing laws can work both ways buddy.

          No one forced him to come to the U.S.  Now he can afford to become a legal U.S. citizen.

          How does him paying more taxes make him a better citizen than anyone else?  By that logic Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mitt Romney, Warren Buffet, and the Koch Brothers are all waaaaay better citizens than I am.

          Some of the best citizens are serving voluntarily in the military. 

          Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting. Changing laws can work both ways buddy.

          You have to have a passport to visit Canada or Europe so this arguement doesn't hold water for a person in this country illegally

          You understand that this man broke laws to get into this country, right?  And is still breaking laws just by being here.

          I'm sure he is a hard working and very nice guy, but so was Ted Bundy.  If he wants to live here and contribute to the vast melting pot that is the U.S.A., do it the right way.

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            You people are such hypocrites. You hate illegal aliens until they are building your houses for cheap, doing your landscaping and housework for cheap etc etc. 

            He paid his money for the ticket and he won fair and square, deal with it, and now he has probably paid more taxes than you all have in your lives making him a better citizen than most of you for the country. BTW all you need is to invest $500,000 in this country and you get residency, so he is good. 

            Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting. Changing laws can work both ways buddy.

            "Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting."

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            Your mileage may vary. Canada, sure. Retailer-paid small prizes in the UK, sure.

            Win a UK jackpot and watch them enforce the rules to the letter. Smash

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              No one forced him to come to the U.S.  Now he can afford to become a legal U.S. citizen.

              How does him paying more taxes make him a better citizen than anyone else?  By that logic Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mitt Romney, Warren Buffet, and the Koch Brothers are all waaaaay better citizens than I am.

              Some of the best citizens are serving voluntarily in the military. 

              Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting. Changing laws can work both ways buddy.

              You have to have a passport to visit Canada or Europe so this arguement doesn't hold water for a person in this country illegally

              You understand that this man broke laws to get into this country, right?  And is still breaking laws just by being here.

              I'm sure he is a hard working and very nice guy, but so was Ted Bundy.  If he wants to live here and contribute to the vast melting pot that is the U.S.A., do it the right way.

              N.S., I have to agree with you on this one completely..Good posting....While he did buy the ticket by exchanging the money properly, his illegal entry doesn't give him access to all of our privileges. Lets just make him pay for all taxes, his expenses,legal fees and plane ticket then escort him onto whatever airlines takes him out of our borders. .Patriot

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                Posted: March 15, 2012, 2:45 pm - IP Logged

                I was wondering what ever happen to this story I'm so glad CuaToc got his money his boss was greedy and trying to take advantage of the fact that he was illegal and did not have his papers.

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                  although the boss claims he gave the guy $20 to buy the ticket,  did he also tell him to scratch it and play it?

                  dunno about you , but when i get a scratcher i want it un playeed. who would buy someone a scratcher for someone, and then play it before handing it over?

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                    I was wondering what ever happen to this story I'm so glad CuaToc got his money his boss was greedy and trying to take advantage of the fact that he was illegal and did not have his papers.

                     "...trying to take advantage of the fact that he was illegal..."

                    Taking advantage of him? How about him taking advantage of us by being here illegally? Is that ok?

                    Let's call it a learning experience.

                    Here's what illegal aliens should learn:  Don't friggin' come here illegally and no one will take friggin' advantage of you!

                    But no, now he gets to go back home with all the money Americans put into that lottery game and tell everybody how he struck it rich in America by breaking our laws and sneaking into the country.

                    Great system.


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

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                      You people are such hypocrites. You hate illegal aliens until they are building your houses for cheap, doing your landscaping and housework for cheap etc etc. 

                      He paid his money for the ticket and he won fair and square, deal with it, and now he has probably paid more taxes than you all have in your lives making him a better citizen than most of you for the country. BTW all you need is to invest $500,000 in this country and you get residency, so he is good. 

                      Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting. Changing laws can work both ways buddy.

                      I agree.  That is a 2 way street.

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                        You people are such hypocrites. You hate illegal aliens until they are building your houses for cheap, doing your landscaping and housework for cheap etc etc. 

                        He paid his money for the ticket and he won fair and square, deal with it, and now he has probably paid more taxes than you all have in your lives making him a better citizen than most of you for the country. BTW all you need is to invest $500,000 in this country and you get residency, so he is good. 

                        Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting. Changing laws can work both ways buddy.

                        "You people are such hypocrites."

                        And you are such an idiot.

                        "You hate illegal aliens..."

                        No we don't, we just think they should have to obey the law too.

                        "...building your houses for cheap, doing your landscaping and housework for cheap etc etc." 

                        No they don't and they never will, I do all my own work or have Americans do it.

                        "He paid his money for the ticket..."

                        No he didn't, he paid money he got from a job he illegally stole from an American.

                        "...he won fair and square..."

                        No he didn't, he broke the law. What part of illegal don't you understand? There are a lot of people waiting in line to get in this country, doing it legally, who would have liked to have bought that ticket. He jumped the line and broke the law. He wouldn't have had that ticket if he hadn't broken the law.

                        "...now he has probably paid more taxes than you all have in your lives..."

                        Those taxes were confiscated from him before he could get away with stealing the money. They would have been confiscated no matter who won that prize. You act like this criminal would have all of a sudden gone straight and paid those taxes willingly if he didn't have too. Get real.

                        "Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting."

                        You really don't know the difference between legally visiting a country and illegally sneaking into a country and illegally working and illegally living there?

                        You're dumber than I thought.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          You people are such hypocrites. You hate illegal aliens until they are building your houses for cheap, doing your landscaping and housework for cheap etc etc. 

                          He paid his money for the ticket and he won fair and square, deal with it, and now he has probably paid more taxes than you all have in your lives making him a better citizen than most of you for the country. BTW all you need is to invest $500,000 in this country and you get residency, so he is good. 

                          Also, we can go to Canada or Europe and play the lottery when we are there and win and we get to keep the money too even if you are just visiting. Changing laws can work both ways buddy.

                          Hypocrites ?   Lets take a look at that word shall we ???? A person who puts in a false appearance of virtue or religion. A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
                          Looks like a moral majority believes that a criminal act should be punished and being an illegal alien & undocumented worker is 2 violations of Federal law. Period. No No 

                          Hate illegal aliens ???  Hate now equals not wanting illegal aliens committing crimes inside the boundaries of the United States which includes illegally working without being given permission to do so.   HMMMM ??? Interesting theory you have VenomV12. At what point does crime start being enforced ??? misdemeanors, Felonies, ..I know, MURDER or Terrorism ????.....Last I knew 2 WRONGS do not equal being right....I do NOT want my house built cheap, I want it done legally and correctly which includes by building codes,wages and by rules/laws of the area it is being constructed

                          Heres another little ta dooo you may have forgotten ,"  But because Cua-Toc was undocumented, Erick Cervantes claimed the winnings on Cua-Toc's behalf but then kept the money. "
                          Interesting, I wonder why he would have his boss claim this ticket on his behalf ???  MAYBE....JUST MAYBE because he KNEW he was committing crimes for being here and he wasn't sure about being able to collect it ????   Could beeeee, but I could be wrong.

                          Does he have a legal right to collect ???  He might be legally OK on that one. I am not a judge or jury and have no knowledge on this unique scenario... Does his winnings/earnings fall under under the same rules of contraband confiscation ??  I do not know, but as much as the government needs money ??  Only time will tell.

                          Last I knew, under my 17 yrs of law enforcement on the state and federal level, there is no way to purchase citizenship. It does NOT exempt aliens from background checks or skipping through the system. It's not Monopoly. There are no get out of jail free cards or continue past "GO" to collect $200.00, to stay in the U.S.A
                           
                          I can go to Canada or Europe because I have a passport and am not wanted for committing crimes in any of those  countries, nor do I have a DUI/OUI conviction which denies you access to Canada.
                              Hope you have a good weekend and win a jackpot !!! Patriot

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                            I'm torn.

                            He was indeed in the country illegally.  There may not be a law prohibiting illegal aliens from playing or winning the lottery, so from that perspective the money is his, free and clear.  But since his very presence in the country means he's breaking the law, technically these are ill-gotten monies, acquired during the commission of a crime.

                            However, this does not excuse the boss from taking advantage of him, not one bit.  The boss had absolutely no right to that money.  He's a scammer, plain and simple, and he was rightfully caught stealing money and brought to justice.

                            In the end, I agree with most people in this thread:  Give Cua-Toc his money less taxes and show him the door.

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                              Let's be real.  The guy broke US laws (by being here illegally) but did not break the Lottery Laws (which allow him to play regardless of his immigration status).  He followed the lottery laws and won big.  He deserves every penny of it.

                              Suppose the guy was perfectly American but also a, yet to be caught and jailed, drug dealer or murderer.  Does such an American criminal deserve a lottery win? 

                              Bottom line is that the illegal alien's crime is willfully working like a dog for measly pay to build the nation... while the American drug dealer/ murderer crime is killing and selling drugs that harm and destroy the nation. 

                              Both are criminals.  If you deny the illegal alien, you must also deny the US drug dealer.

                              Now, how many of you have criminal records, involve in crime or know someone who does?  Even drunk driving is crime.