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Store owner tried to scam woman out of lottery winnings

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Posted: May 21, 2012, 3:12 pm - IP Logged

If the Lotteries were willing to do the right thing and truly wanted to stop the scams they would tell players the truth: You can't trust the clerks to check your tickets.

They should include that advice in their literature and advertising.

But they don't cuz it doesn't sound good for business.

All Lottery Post Members who have paid attention to the never ending reports of clerks ripping off players know better but the general public and casual or occasional players just don't know about this.

It's good that this crook was caught but it's not enough to hope for justice after the fact. The Lotteries should take a pro-active and preemptive approach to this scandal that most people don't even know about.

And that should begin by just telling people the truth - you can't trust lottery clerks to check your tickets.

I Agree!

The lottery's could do a lot more than just telling you to sign your ticket.

When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it. ~Clarence Darrow

There ought to be one day - just one - when there is open season on senators. ~Will Rogers

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    Posted: May 21, 2012, 5:32 pm - IP Logged

    So, one of my buddies, who also watches LP, called and wanted to discuss this topic a bit. He started out with lots of sympathy for the lady which is cool in its'  proper respect, and, then went on to somewhat question my harshness. So, I had him to re-read what I posted for a quick reference and proceeded to ask this series of questions:

    1) Are you responsible for your validating your check direct deposits and/or withdrawals?

    2) Are you responsible for for cash back, if requested, after making a purchase?

    3) Are you responsible for checking your grocery bill to reflect coupons used?

    4) Are you responsible for checking loan amounts owed/ paid to you by someone?

    5) Are you responsible for checking the amount received being correct on your tax return?

    6) Are you responsible for checking the correct change due you for any and all purchases made in cash?

    7) Are you responsible for checking a rebate/credit which is due you?


    He got my point after stopping me at #6, although I had a few more prominent ones. In other words, we tend to check very closely all these things money to us but, allow someone else to check/ensure the lottery winnings for us???What? Then, when a situation like this arises with a supposedly grown adult that's been playing the lottery all this time, it's all on the crooked merchant. Mind you, I do not condone what the merchant did at all.... but refer back to #'s 1-7. And, let's not forget one of the most important factors here...She's A Business Owner and must monitor expenditures and credits alike.


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      Posted: May 21, 2012, 5:44 pm - IP Logged

      Congratulations on your $10K PB lottery win!  It is exciting you received the stolen monies without  asserting any effort or having any knowledge of their existence.  The opposite could have easily been the outcome; so become aware during your future gambling.

      Banana

      Having several millions of dollars in my financial accounts means receiving several valuable services each day!

      Disney


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        Posted: May 21, 2012, 8:19 pm - IP Logged

        I Agree!

        The Louisiana Lottery security folks are the heros of this story.  The easy thing would be to ignore the scratched out name and simply pay out the prize.  But they lifted the crossed out signature, figured out the spelling in the signature, and actually managed to track down the person whose signature was crossed out. 

        That is some FANTASTIC detective work.

        HATS OFF to the Lousiana Lottery for caring to check it out, and having the wherewithal to track down the real winner.

        Thumbs Up

        ConfusedDidn't I just say that Todd, the lottery officals did their jobs on this one. No one has answer my question will he still get the fee for selling a sizable winner.Do anyone know?Roll Eyes

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          Posted: May 21, 2012, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

          It's sad that the world is like it is, but smart players always know and tell the clerk how much they won.

          I always try to go to the same convenience store to cash my winners.  They know my face in there, and since I tell the clerk how much I won, there's never a problem.  Some times when a new clerk I havent seen before appears behind the counter, I make it a point to use the scanner that's located right in front of the lottery terminal. (I always know how much I won long before I walk through the front door of the store. I just scan the ticket to transmit an additional non-verbal message to the new clerk.)

          I do that because one time I did not use the scanner, and simply told a new clerk I had won $22.00.  Without any expression on her face, she very matter of factly looked me in the eye and said "Well, the terminal will be the judge of that."  I laughed and smiled, and said "That's true, but the judge is definitely going to rule in my favor."  She said nothing as she checked the ticket, opened the cash drawer and handed me my 22 bucks. 

          To this day I wonder what her motivation was to respond to me like she did.  It was probably nothing, and maybe she was just having a tough day, but I couldnt help thinking if I might have slightly annoyed her because I took away her shot at a lousy 22 dollars.   That's the thing, it's just like the Lottery says "You never know."  Maybe the guy behind the counter is honest, and maybe he isnt.  I try to always look for the best in people, but you just never know.

          Two possibilities:

          1.) In her training, she may have been warned about lottery players trying to scam clerks.  She may have thought that by telling her you had a $22 winner before she scanned it, you were trying to condition her to skip checking the ticket and just hand you the money.

          2.) She likely picked up on your non-verbal accusations of her being a thief.  She was probably thinking -- but wouldn't say it for fear of losing her job -- "How dare you accuse me of trying to steal from you simply because I'm standing behind a lottery terminal?"

          I'm not saying lottery players shouldn't be on the lookout for unscrupulous clerks.  Indeed, far from it.  However, it is possible to keep one's guard up without telegraphing to the person behind the counter that you believe they are a criminal because they showed up for work that day.

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            Posted: May 21, 2012, 9:03 pm - IP Logged

            Two possibilities:

            1.) In her training, she may have been warned about lottery players trying to scam clerks.  She may have thought that by telling her you had a $22 winner before she scanned it, you were trying to condition her to skip checking the ticket and just hand you the money.

            2.) She likely picked up on your non-verbal accusations of her being a thief.  She was probably thinking -- but wouldn't say it for fear of losing her job -- "How dare you accuse me of trying to steal from you simply because I'm standing behind a lottery terminal?"

            I'm not saying lottery players shouldn't be on the lookout for unscrupulous clerks.  Indeed, far from it.  However, it is possible to keep one's guard up without telegraphing to the person behind the counter that you believe they are a criminal because they showed up for work that day.

            Well, it's pretty clear to see what you do for a living now, lol.

            (Not that there's anything wrong with that)


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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              Posted: May 21, 2012, 9:09 pm - IP Logged

              ConfusedDidn't I just say that Todd, the lottery officals did their jobs on this one. No one has answer my question will he still get the fee for selling a sizable winner.Do anyone know?Roll Eyes

              I have a feeling he won't be collecting any bonuses, Louise.

              I don't think it was addressed and I kinda doubt he'll be asking for it.

              I don't think he'd want to piss off a certain person:

              Here come the judge,

              Here come the judge,

              Order in the Court now,

              Here come the judge.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

              "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                Posted: May 21, 2012, 11:12 pm - IP Logged

                Well, it's pretty clear to see what you do for a living now, lol.

                (Not that there's anything wrong with that)

                As usual, you are wrong.

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                  Posted: May 21, 2012, 11:41 pm - IP Logged

                  As usual, you are wrong.

                  Relax, it's an honest living.

                  (Unless you're ripping off lottery winnings)


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                    Well, it's pretty clear to see what you do for a living now, lol.

                    (Not that there's anything wrong with that)

                    oh my giddiant... you mean he is a LAWYER?

                    isn't that akin to swearing at him?  Crazy


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                      Posted: May 22, 2012, 2:36 am - IP Logged

                      Two possibilities:

                      1.) In her training, she may have been warned about lottery players trying to scam clerks.  She may have thought that by telling her you had a $22 winner before she scanned it, you were trying to condition her to skip checking the ticket and just hand you the money.

                      2.) She likely picked up on your non-verbal accusations of her being a thief.  She was probably thinking -- but wouldn't say it for fear of losing her job -- "How dare you accuse me of trying to steal from you simply because I'm standing behind a lottery terminal?"

                      I'm not saying lottery players shouldn't be on the lookout for unscrupulous clerks.  Indeed, far from it.  However, it is possible to keep one's guard up without telegraphing to the person behind the counter that you believe they are a criminal because they showed up for work that day.

                      Always two sides to a coin. Those two possibilities seem very probable.

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                        Posted: May 22, 2012, 6:56 am - IP Logged

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                        Fong Kwok forture kookie said:

                        store clerk mistakie today U winnie $10,000 dullor!

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                          Posted: May 22, 2012, 7:37 am - IP Logged

                          Two possibilities:

                          1.) In her training, she may have been warned about lottery players trying to scam clerks.  She may have thought that by telling her you had a $22 winner before she scanned it, you were trying to condition her to skip checking the ticket and just hand you the money.

                          2.) She likely picked up on your non-verbal accusations of her being a thief.  She was probably thinking -- but wouldn't say it for fear of losing her job -- "How dare you accuse me of trying to steal from you simply because I'm standing behind a lottery terminal?"

                          I'm not saying lottery players shouldn't be on the lookout for unscrupulous clerks.  Indeed, far from it.  However, it is possible to keep one's guard up without telegraphing to the person behind the counter that you believe they are a criminal because they showed up for work that day.

                          Hi Mediabrat,

                          I wrote the original post, and I agree that the two possiblities you offered are very plausable.

                          Although I hadn't given it any thought, I'm sure stores do train clerks to be on the lookout for players trying to scam the clerk. It's a two way street. The stores, just like players, have to protect themselves from unscrupulous people.  There's no question they do get ripped off by the public all the time.

                          Also the woman behind the counter very well might have taken offense to me checking my ticket on the scanner.  But I dont think I dared to do to anything.  I simply used the tool the state provided me with to protect myself. My own personal opinion is, that there is absolutely no reason why she should have taken offense, and if she did, she was wrong.  Afterall, the store's customers didnt put the scanner there.  New York State did. I would think that she should have also been trained on the reason why it's there in the first place. What I did was fair and acceptable. She and I were/are total strangers.  How many other total strangers did she wait on that day?  Did she take offense to other customers for various frivolus reasons?  If she did, I'm willing to bet she'd soon be gone as a store employee.

                          About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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                            oh my giddiant... you mean he is a LAWYER?

                            isn't that akin to swearing at him?  Crazy

                            LOL, no I wouldn't call him a lawyer, Max.

                            I'm sure he's a decent human being.


                                                                         
                                                 
                                                                     

                             

                             

                             

                             

                                                                                                                               

                            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                              Posted: May 22, 2012, 1:22 pm - IP Logged

                              The Store Person Just Made A Mistake 

                              Will you be that understanding when it's your ticket?

                              I guess people make honest mistakes, that's acceptable.

                              What a person does after a mistake is what counts. He signed her ticket and turned it in, that's far from honest.

                              I don't trust anyone with my tickets. Times are tough and some people are ruthless.

                              If the lottery does one thing right, it's getting the message out:

                              WHEN YOU WIN, SIGN YOUR TICKET.

                              Is there anyone out there who hasn't seen this yet?