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New Jersey casino suing gamblers who won $1.5 million

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Posted: August 22, 2012, 9:16 pm - IP Logged

Sooooo, whats good for the goose is not good for the gander........what a surprise......FVUKERS!!!

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    Posted: August 22, 2012, 10:05 pm - IP Logged

    Sooooo, whats good for the goose is not good for the gander........what a surprise......FVUKERS!!!

    Imagine what this will cost them in the long run. I doubt high rollers especially asians will be patronizing This establishment any longer.

    $1.5 million in PR won't help them.

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      Posted: August 22, 2012, 10:55 pm - IP Logged

      The casino deserves a settlement from the card MFR.

      however the players chips should be honered,

      but w/ this costing jersey tax $ my guess is the jersey supremes will side w/ the casino.

      jersey gets the taxes from the winners, unsure how your theory would then show they would side with the casino.

      Dealers make boo koo moola ...i have zero compassion when a guy shuffling cards and is in a union who makes 70k plus isnt fired for doing a simple task of running the cards thru the shuffle machine.

      Loved the casino saying "it needs to be fair to both sides"...really now?? Come on...its never a 50/50 when it comes to their take of your money....Malfunction notices are their get out of jail free card.

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        Posted: August 22, 2012, 11:46 pm - IP Logged

        "In a lawsuit filed in New Jersey Superior Court, the casino cited gambling regulations that state gaming odds must be fair for both sides."

         

        okay since its supposed to 50/50 fair for both sides then give the players 50% and call it even stevens. Hows that for fair? Mighty generous fo the players to take 50%when they eserve all of it but hey casino dont give them even 50% and see a deep decline in your casino business. Te casino should start putting up signs going out of business now and start boarding the place up.

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          Posted: August 23, 2012, 12:11 am - IP Logged

          Ya Know this just like the Insurance, trying to get of paying claims, if your don't like the rules of business then get of that type of work!

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            Posted: August 23, 2012, 12:14 am - IP Logged

            "The casino cited gambling regulations that state gaming odds must be fair for both sides."

            The gaming odds were fair for both sides. The odds are determined by the  rules of the game, not whether or not both parties play intelligently. Both sides had the option of playing or not playing. The casino had the option of making sure they weren't making a stupid and very expensive mistake, or assuming there would be no problems.

            "The gamblers unlawfully took advantage of the Golden Nugget when they caught onto the pattern and"

            Im pretty skeptical about that. Parties to a contract are usually free to take advantage of the other party's errors of judgment, and failing to ensure that the cards were properly prepared is an error in judgment on the part of the casino. There's a chance that there's a law protecting casinos in case of this sort of mistake, but I'd think they're SOL.

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              Posted: August 23, 2012, 5:19 am - IP Logged

              "The casino cited gambling regulations that state gaming odds must be fair for both sides."

              The gaming odds were fair for both sides. The odds are determined by the  rules of the game, not whether or not both parties play intelligently. Both sides had the option of playing or not playing. The casino had the option of making sure they weren't making a stupid and very expensive mistake, or assuming there would be no problems.

              "The gamblers unlawfully took advantage of the Golden Nugget when they caught onto the pattern and"

              Im pretty skeptical about that. Parties to a contract are usually free to take advantage of the other party's errors of judgment, and failing to ensure that the cards were properly prepared is an error in judgment on the part of the casino. There's a chance that there's a law protecting casinos in case of this sort of mistake, but I'd think they're SOL.

              I agree with you!!!

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                Posted: August 23, 2012, 10:51 am - IP Logged

                jersey gets the taxes from the winners, unsure how your theory would then show they would side with the casino.

                Dealers make boo koo moola ...i have zero compassion when a guy shuffling cards and is in a union who makes 70k plus isnt fired for doing a simple task of running the cards thru the shuffle machine.

                Loved the casino saying "it needs to be fair to both sides"...really now?? Come on...its never a 50/50 when it comes to their take of your money....Malfunction notices are their get out of jail free card.

                TheGameGirl,

                And where did you deal? In one of the Vegas casinos I worked in we werre paid a little over minimum wage and because of that management put a letter in the guest rooms, "Our dealers are among the best paid in town so don't feel that you have to tip them". One of the regular players showed us the letter. Our tokes (tips) ran about $45 to $70 on a good night.

                In Vegas the bi-weekly paycheck was often zeroed out to pay the taxes on the tips.

                That was back when you got a tip enevleope for every day you worked, not a paycheck one week and a tip check the next (all that thanks to AC by the way).

                I don't know about AC but dealers + union in Nevada gets people put in the desert.

                As far as the mishap with the cards, this is news to me. In Vegas part of opening a game up is checking the cards to make sure they are all there, spades, hearts, clubs, diamonds. Then they are shuffled. And shuffled. And shuffled. Strip strip shuffle shuffle strip shuffle.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Posted: August 23, 2012, 11:01 am - IP Logged

                  What a perfect storm for the gamblers,and the dealer never saw the pattern,put the dealer in charge of the horseshoe pit.

                  The biggest laugh is the casino says they ,the gamblers took advantage of the casino,haha Every time anybody walks in a casino there prepared to take advantage of the casino.,You think if you were winning ,because you saw a pattern,you would burst out and say ,stop the game somebody forgot to shuffle the cards,Not hardly

                  Pay up casino ,its only a drop in your bucket.

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                    Posted: August 23, 2012, 11:19 am - IP Logged

                    jersey gets the taxes from the winners, unsure how your theory would then show they would side with the casino.

                    Dealers make boo koo moola ...i have zero compassion when a guy shuffling cards and is in a union who makes 70k plus isnt fired for doing a simple task of running the cards thru the shuffle machine.

                    Loved the casino saying "it needs to be fair to both sides"...really now?? Come on...its never a 50/50 when it comes to their take of your money....Malfunction notices are their get out of jail free card.

                    Jersey casinos pay 8% tax on gross revenue, $ they loose takes away from that gross,

                    now the players have to pay tax on their win also, but they can use deductions,

                    and they may not live in Jersey.

                     

                    Dealers fixed pay is only about $6 an hour the great majority of their pay comes from tokes.

                    As for shuffling when the shoe is nearing the bottom the dealer stops the game and manuely shuffles the cards,

                    they like doing this because it is like taking a break,

                    however if the cards are pre-shuffled the pit boss will tell them to get down to business,

                    and most are not union.

                     

                    yes, the malfunction notices are a cop-out.

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                      Posted: August 23, 2012, 11:29 am - IP Logged

                      TheGameGirl,

                      And where did you deal? In one of the Vegas casinos I worked in we werre paid a little over minimum wage and because of that management put a letter in the guest rooms, "Our dealers are among the best paid in town so don't feel that you have to tip them". One of the regular players showed us the letter. Our tokes (tips) ran about $45 to $70 on a good night.

                      In Vegas the bi-weekly paycheck was often zeroed out to pay the taxes on the tips.

                      That was back when you got a tip enevleope for every day you worked, not a paycheck one week and a tip check the next (all that thanks to AC by the way).

                      I don't know about AC but dealers + union in Nevada gets people put in the desert.

                      As far as the mishap with the cards, this is news to me. In Vegas part of opening a game up is checking the cards to make sure they are all there, spades, hearts, clubs, diamonds. Then they are shuffled. And shuffled. And shuffled. Strip strip shuffle shuffle strip shuffle.

                      CT,

                       That was a really lame trick on the part of management,

                      I guess they thought if ppl. don't tip they'll have more to gamble,

                      therefore more in the dropbox.

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                        Posted: August 23, 2012, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

                        haymaker,

                        You got it. This was at one of the properties that belonged to what would become a "gaming group.' They were asked to run the Fremont for the state after it had been shut down. Then they took over the Stardust.

                        Ahem.

                        They were known for providing good benefits. A freidn and I were on break one time and overheard a shift boss and the CM talking about the benefits they provided, all the while watching some employees on break playing video poker. (This casino let employees play slots, no table games, too much chance for collusion there.)

                        The CM said, "Yeah, we give them good benefits, and truth be known, they're paying for it with all those quarters."

                        RE: the OP

                        I worked at the Vegas Golden Nugget for awhile (after the casino mentioned above). This is what would happen with a lot of players from China and points east. They'd get to Vegas and have phony letters of credit from a phony bank. This is all pre-internet. Those letters of credit would include phone numbers.

                        Those players would ask for, and get markers.

                        "This is the Golden Nugget. Do you have a bank customer named Choi Lee with so much on deposit?"

                        Friend somewhere in China, "Yes, give him anyhing he ask for, he's good for it."

                        If they won, they won. If they lost (we're talking big bucks) they would simply go back to Hong Kong or wherever and another Asian who hadn't left yet would tell the casino, "You call Hong Kong, find Mister Lee. Good luck."

                        Scared

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                        Lep

                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                          Posted: August 24, 2012, 11:32 am - IP Logged

                          haymaker,

                          You got it. This was at one of the properties that belonged to what would become a "gaming group.' They were asked to run the Fremont for the state after it had been shut down. Then they took over the Stardust.

                          Ahem.

                          They were known for providing good benefits. A freidn and I were on break one time and overheard a shift boss and the CM talking about the benefits they provided, all the while watching some employees on break playing video poker. (This casino let employees play slots, no table games, too much chance for collusion there.)

                          The CM said, "Yeah, we give them good benefits, and truth be known, they're paying for it with all those quarters."

                          RE: the OP

                          I worked at the Vegas Golden Nugget for awhile (after the casino mentioned above). This is what would happen with a lot of players from China and points east. They'd get to Vegas and have phony letters of credit from a phony bank. This is all pre-internet. Those letters of credit would include phone numbers.

                          Those players would ask for, and get markers.

                          "This is the Golden Nugget. Do you have a bank customer named Choi Lee with so much on deposit?"

                          Friend somewhere in China, "Yes, give him anyhing he ask for, he's good for it."

                          If they won, they won. If they lost (we're talking big bucks) they would simply go back to Hong Kong or wherever and another Asian who hadn't left yet would tell the casino, "You call Hong Kong, find Mister Lee. Good luck."

                          Scared

                          CT,

                          I think that 'gaming group" controls/operates  half of the borgata in atlantic city.

                          My daughter works there.

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                            Posted: August 24, 2012, 6:19 pm - IP Logged

                            First of all, 

                            catching on to a pattern...

                            Its like in baseball...well i notice this pitcher is throwin meatballs down the plate...it would be unfair of me to swing...WTF!!

                            Or...Mark Mcgwire is on steroids, it would be unfair for me to throw him a ball, he might not swing...let me give him a meatball so he can break the home run record...and then congress can pardon him.

                            There's a chance that there's a law protecting casinos in case of this sort of mistake, but I'd think they're SOL.

                            I dont know what SOL is,  i also dont know what SMH is...

                            but i am sure they have INSURANCE...so not only do they not want to pay out...but they want to not pay out AND get the insurance money.

                            I blame it all on NUCKY.

                            In this story there was allegation of betting over the limit...this could be enforced.

                            Thats why I dont buy chinese food, they are always plotting strang things in the kitchen.

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                              Posted: August 24, 2012, 6:25 pm - IP Logged

                              What a perfect storm for the gamblers,and the dealer never saw the pattern,put the dealer in charge of the horseshoe pit.

                              The biggest laugh is the casino says they ,the gamblers took advantage of the casino,haha Every time anybody walks in a casino there prepared to take advantage of the casino.,You think if you were winning ,because you saw a pattern,you would burst out and say ,stop the game somebody forgot to shuffle the cards,Not hardly

                              Pay up casino ,its only a drop in your bucket.

                              Hey the old man trick doesn't fly in Vegas...either you take the money and the hammer...or just the hammer.