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Pa. lawmaker wants to give lottery winners right to remain anonymous

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Posted: December 9, 2013, 6:04 pm - IP Logged

Oh puh-lease. This is all hogwash and you know it. So spare me. 

Tax dollars aren't going towards funding any jackpots, so the public has ZERO right to know. When our taxpayers start funding the megajackpots THEN you MIGHT have a case, until then, it's simply you being both nosey and paranoid. 

Secondly, since when should a resident's well being come second to...anything? Kidnapping threats, murder plots, harassment, stalking (the list goes on) should be taken in stride because YOU don't feel an independent auditor should be trusted? Their safety put at risk because you feel we may be scammed otherwise. I'll tell you what, I would much rather the risk of my $1 here and there be scammed than someone murdered or their child kidnapped for ransom money simply because SOMEONE felt winners names should be publicized. 

If you can't trust an independent audit from some of the largest accounting firms in the world, then why do you trust someone plucked from obscurity and thrust in front of a camera? How do we know they even legitimately won? If trust and integrity are up for grabs, then everything to do with the lottery is. That goes for assuming the balls are picked randomly. We trust the people who monitor things like the weight of the balls etc that everything is on the up and up with that, but where you draw the line is on a winner's anonymity even when their safety is at risk. Ooooohkaaaay. Yeah. That makes sense.Blue Thinking

If the government wanted to go through the trouble  of scamming us via the lottery system, I guarantee you that they aren't going to be foiled by the publishing of a name or putting a person in front of a camera. You think they have some big ulterior plan to take hundreds of millions of dollars from the lottery and publishing a name is what's going to trip them up? You cannot possibly be seriously!

"Tax dollars aren't going towards funding any jackpots"

It isn't who the money came from, it's the fact that the government is spending money that has become public funds. The difference lottery payouts being part of the public record and tax refunds not being public records is that, the tax refunds were never public funds (as Jon D noted) and paying taxes isn't voluntary.

"you all seem to have no issues trusting that the number of $10,000, $25,000 or $100,000 or even $500 winners is accurate"

In theory that can be verified by checking with all of the reported winners. More practically, it can be disproven by establishing that even a single  one of the reported winners didn't win.

"We trust the people who monitor things like the weight of the balls"

Isn't that one of those things that  the independent auditors are verifying?  Besides, what reason does the lottery have to not work hard at keeping the drawings fair, unless lack of transparency offered them an advtage to letting the drawings be non-random?

Lack of anonymity may not make it readily obvious that the lottery is at least trying to be completely fair, but it makes it much easier to investigate.

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    Posted: December 9, 2013, 7:42 pm - IP Logged

    This works for me, only people very close to me know my real first name and most other people call me by a nickname they think is my real name.

    Jersey had a bill for temp. anonymity for 1 year but the Gov. chickened out and did'nt sign so Jersey will get another chance after he runs for Pres.

    Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

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      Posted: December 9, 2013, 7:51 pm - IP Logged

      I would do press conference, but I would be so subdued and boring that no international or major network would want to air it. That way, I would fulfill my obligation to the lottery while lessening the demand for video/photo. Plus I would take my jetsetting ways to a higher level, so good luck on all the bums, scammers, and moochers trying to catch up with me for a handout.  Speaking of handouts, I saw a bunch of beggars all around Phoenix.  If you win, just don't try to channel your inner Duck Dynasty or comedic self.  That gets you invites to the morning shows and night shows. But if you are just hum drum boring, your 15 minutes of fame will be limited to the lottery press conference. Remember, speak in monotones and just say you will go to living on an airplane...that you will maybe buy a Ford Focus and aspire to live your dreams (key is to be stupidly down to earth, vague and boring). Do not say you have a great moral responsibility or that you will give to charity and church. That right there is an invitation to get hounded until you die for donations.

      Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

      The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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        Posted: December 9, 2013, 8:56 pm - IP Logged

        I am from Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania and I support this 100%!

        The Greed of Envy & too many crooks make this necessary!

        I was thinking of you, dpoly1, when I heard this great individual's safety/comfort proposal.  I, too, hope that PA becomes an additional lottery winner "anonymous state"!

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          Posted: December 9, 2013, 9:44 pm - IP Logged

          This works for me, only people very close to me know my real first name and most other people call me by a nickname they think is my real name.

          Jersey had a bill for temp. anonymity for 1 year but the Gov. chickened out and did'nt sign so Jersey will get another chance after he runs for Pres.

          You mean your name's not Mr. Hay Maker?

          No wonder I can't find you in the phone book.

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            Posted: December 9, 2013, 9:58 pm - IP Logged

            I would do press conference, but I would be so subdued and boring that no international or major network would want to air it. That way, I would fulfill my obligation to the lottery while lessening the demand for video/photo. Plus I would take my jetsetting ways to a higher level, so good luck on all the bums, scammers, and moochers trying to catch up with me for a handout.  Speaking of handouts, I saw a bunch of beggars all around Phoenix.  If you win, just don't try to channel your inner Duck Dynasty or comedic self.  That gets you invites to the morning shows and night shows. But if you are just hum drum boring, your 15 minutes of fame will be limited to the lottery press conference. Remember, speak in monotones and just say you will go to living on an airplane...that you will maybe buy a Ford Focus and aspire to live your dreams (key is to be stupidly down to earth, vague and boring). Do not say you have a great moral responsibility or that you will give to charity and church. That right there is an invitation to get hounded until you die for donations.

            If you take the down to earth angle the news will sensationalize and make you out as an every-man. You will still get hounded. For every winner you hear about that did TV appearances and seemingly asked for the limelight, there are dozens of others that did the bare minimum required to claim and still get hounded on the regular without a journalist telling the story.

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              Posted: December 9, 2013, 11:11 pm - IP Logged

              You mean your name's not Mr. Hay Maker?

              No wonder I can't find you in the phone book.

              LOL

              Mountain Man,

              That's even better , the phone is still in my wife's maiden name so that just confuses things even more

              Yea, got some other things that mix things up.

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                Posted: December 10, 2013, 12:54 am - IP Logged

                I was thinking about this the other day.  I see both sides, but my main concern would be my safety.  I can deal with phone calls, letters, emails and such, but worry about people that find my address and decide to show up at my door. 

                In California, full names and location are used in their promotional materials. 

                I like the first name, last name initial method.  If I happen to get lucky, I may need to research the trust option.

                Maybe you may consider moving to Florida where those controversial "stand your ground" rules can protect you, for a couple months ago, that boastdul man that won a Powerball Jackpot brandished his shot gun at any of those people that turned up to beg for handouts from his lotto wins.

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                  Posted: December 10, 2013, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

                  As far as I know, in the states that allow anonymity you still have to form a trust in order to not have your name disclosed. You can't just checkmark a box or sign papers upon claiming telling the state lottery office you don't want your name made public. You're allowed to go through the legal process (forming trust) to make this happen, but if you don't do this your name gets put out there.

                  Forming a trust and collecting JP in states that do not allow anonymity is worthless in terms of concealing your identity.

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                    Posted: December 10, 2013, 1:00 pm - IP Logged

                    "Tax dollars aren't going towards funding any jackpots"

                    It isn't who the money came from, it's the fact that the government is spending money that has become public funds. The difference lottery payouts being part of the public record and tax refunds not being public records is that, the tax refunds were never public funds (as Jon D noted) and paying taxes isn't voluntary.

                    "you all seem to have no issues trusting that the number of $10,000, $25,000 or $100,000 or even $500 winners is accurate"

                    In theory that can be verified by checking with all of the reported winners. More practically, it can be disproven by establishing that even a single  one of the reported winners didn't win.

                    "We trust the people who monitor things like the weight of the balls"

                    Isn't that one of those things that  the independent auditors are verifying?  Besides, what reason does the lottery have to not work hard at keeping the drawings fair, unless lack of transparency offered them an advtage to letting the drawings be non-random?

                    Lack of anonymity may not make it readily obvious that the lottery is at least trying to be completely fair, but it makes it much easier to investigate.

                    Right. So you trust the auditors with keeping EVERY other aspect of the lottery on the up and up, but they can't be trusted to be honest about who wins if it isn't announced. Boy that makes a whole lotta sense.

                    and then you actually ask what reason the lottery has for not keeping the drawings fair while at the same time claiming they won't be fair about who wins without publicizing the winner. Do you even bother to think about what you write or do you just have comment and take opposite side of whatever my position is? No matter how ridiculous you have to make your argument.

                    that was exactly my point. We trust the auditors and regulators to do their job in every other area of the lottery so let trust them to do their jobs in this too and quit putting people's lives at risk simply to ease your own paranoia.

                    I might wake up early and go running.  I might also wake up and win the lottery.

                    The odds are about the same.

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                      Posted: December 10, 2013, 1:02 pm - IP Logged

                      As far as I know, in the states that allow anonymity you still have to form a trust in order to not have your name disclosed. You can't just checkmark a box or sign papers upon claiming telling the state lottery office you don't want your name made public. You're allowed to go through the legal process (forming trust) to make this happen, but if you don't do this your name gets put out there.

                      Forming a trust and collecting JP in states that do not allow anonymity is worthless in terms of concealing your identity.

                      Check again, link I posted previously:

                      http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Trust-keeps-24-million-jackpot-winner-anonymous-3848371.php

                      Texas by law does not allow winners to be anonymous, but a winner doesn't have to be a person.

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                        If you take the down to earth angle the news will sensationalize and make you out as an every-man. You will still get hounded. For every winner you hear about that did TV appearances and seemingly asked for the limelight, there are dozens of others that did the bare minimum required to claim and still get hounded on the regular without a journalist telling the story.

                        Yep. I was thinking the same thing. If you come across as shy, quiet and unassuming, they will paint you as a humble saint and simply start tracking down past coworkers or relatives to get the inside scoop on you. Being brash and bold may keep the attention on you but it also keeps the media from looking for a story from someone else. Look how they went to Gloria's ex-daughter in law for a story when Gloria didn't hold a press conference. You can't escape it either way.

                        I might wake up early and go running.  I might also wake up and win the lottery.

                        The odds are about the same.

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                          Check again, link I posted previously:

                          http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Trust-keeps-24-million-jackpot-winner-anonymous-3848371.php

                          Texas by law does not allow winners to be anonymous, but a winner doesn't have to be a person.

                          And for all of the other people who don't live in Texas...what about them. Either every state should give you the option of claiming anonymously via a trust, or, allow for total anonymity without a trust. But forcing JP winners to reveal their identities or worse, forcing a press conference is ludicrous and dangerous and the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

                          I might wake up early and go running.  I might also wake up and win the lottery.

                          The odds are about the same.

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                            And for all of the other people who don't live in Texas...what about them. Either every state should give you the option of claiming anonymously via a trust, or, allow for total anonymity without a trust. But forcing JP winners to reveal their identities or worse, forcing a press conference is ludicrous and dangerous and the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

                            If forced to do a press conference, having a complete professional disguise and limiting your response to generic answers would go a long way to protecting your privacy.

                            The need to relocate and establish a temporary residency prior to claiming your prize can't be stressed enough. Any future residence should be purchased through a land trust or your attorney acting as your trustee.

                            ** Some people fulfill their dreams by receiving entitlements from the Government while others wake up and work hard for it! **

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                              Check again, link I posted previously:

                              http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Trust-keeps-24-million-jackpot-winner-anonymous-3848371.php

                              Texas by law does not allow winners to be anonymous, but a winner doesn't have to be a person.

                              Ummm, ok...one state. Others?