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helpmewin's avatar - dandy
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Posted: December 29, 2013, 10:19 am - IP Logged

I think the problem of less then honest clerks here in Indiana has been greatly reduced given hoosier lottery provides scanners in all stores for customers to scan their own tickets. I use it to double check my tickets before tossing them and to double check my winning tickets before turning them in. I think the clerks know the odds of a customer not knowing what their ticket is worth is very slim given. Since they put the scanners in place, i have not seen one person ask a clerk to check their ticket for them Thumbs Up

I Agree! 

Also if they tell you the scanner is broke just unplug it from the back and plug it back in it will work fine Smiley i do it everyday

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    Posted: December 29, 2013, 10:20 am - IP Logged

    Raking in the big money Cheers

    omg! That was good Green laugh

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      Posted: December 29, 2013, 11:00 am - IP Logged

      LOL

      The guy that mowed my yard last year said he found $100.00 bill in my yard

      Blue Thinking 

      I GOT A NEW YARD GUY!Yes Nod

      wow, lucky and unlucky yard guy

      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

      For a lead role in a cage?

       

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        Posted: December 29, 2013, 11:02 am - IP Logged

        I Agree! 

        Also if they tell you the scanner is broke just unplug it from the back and plug it back in it will work fine Smiley i do it everyday

        We have the self-serve ticket scanners here in CA in all the stores I've been to. But sometimes you find places where they are not working.(don't know if the clerk did that on purpose) Never thought to try and reboot the sucker myself.

        You rock! Thumbs Up

         

        P.S. They had the NY Rosales-Martinez story on the local news here. Must be a slow news day...

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          Posted: December 29, 2013, 11:53 am - IP Logged

          From what legal info I have read, a "Bearer Instrument" assumes whoever possesses the item is the owner of the item. The assumption can be challenged under some circumstances (example: someone steals it and if the theft can be proven in court then that trumps the Bearer claim).

          Most lotteries will do some investigation of a winning claim over $10,000. On major wins, they will do more in-depth investigation before paying out a claim. One thing that the lottery is selling on is trust and that if you buy a ticket and win you will get the winnings. Paying out to someone not legally entitled to the winnings dilutes that trust. It is in the lottery's best interest to investigate large claims.

          One thing about buying tickets in today's world: just about every place that sells tickets has recorded video surveillance. That coupled with time stamps of the video and the moment when a ticket was sold would mean every winning ticket purchaser could be identified by a video somewhere...

          You've got it right. "Bearer Instrument" is a financial term that means the same thing in all 50 states, which is simply that ownership isn't recorded as it is with registered instruments, though it looks to me like not all lotteries understand or follow the law.

          The NY lottery should know where that ticket was sold and they should have a pretty good idea of when it was sold. They apparently made some effort to locate any reports of a lost or stolen ticket, and waited to see if anyone else would come forward to claim it, but if they actually attempted to use  their own records to locate the original purchaser they don't seem inclined to publicize it. I'd be especially curious to know if they contacted the owner of the property where the ticket was found, or nearby property owners.

          As a practical matter, I expect  everyone but  an original owner will simply treat it as if he had found a $5 bill on the sidewalk, but ignoring some exceptions that don't apply to this case, the relevant NY laws says "any person who finds an instrument or comes into possession of an instrument with knowledge that it has been found shall, within ten days after the finding or acquisition of possession thereof, either return it to a person entitled thereto or report the finding or acquisition of possession and deposit the instrument in a police station or police headquarters, as provided in subdivision one of this section, as if such instrument were lost property having a value of ten dollars or more."

          That Martinez obviously didn't do that could potentially be a  problem if somebody comes forward as a result of the news stories. Of course anyone trying to prove they're the rightful owner is going to have a real problem unless they can document an effort to locate and recover the ticket. Assuming the ticket wasn't scratched when Martinez found it then the original owner wouldn't have known its value and probably wouldn't have made any real effort to recover it. 

          any person who finds an instrument or comes into possession of an instrument with knowledge that it has been found shall, within ten days after the finding or acquisition of possession thereof, either return it to a person entitled thereto or report the finding or acquisition of possession and deposit the instrument in a police station or police headquarters, as provided in subdivision one of this section, as if such instrument were lost property having a value of ten dollars or more - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEP/7-B/252#sthash.6uxCC4Or.dpuf
          any person who finds an instrument or comes into possession of an instrument with knowledge that it has been found shall, within ten days after the finding or acquisition of possession thereof, either return it to a person entitled thereto or report the finding or acquisition of possession and deposit the instrument in a police station or police headquarters, as provided in subdivision one of this section, as if such instrument were lost property having a value of ten dollars or more. - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEP/7-B/252#sthash.YfJPHDqU.dpuf
          any person who finds an instrument or comes into possession of an instrument with knowledge that it has been found shall, within ten days after the finding or acquisition of possession thereof, either return it to a person entitled thereto or report the finding or acquisition of possession and deposit the instrument in a police station or police headquarters, as provided in subdivision one of this section, as if such instrument were lost property having a value of ten dollars or more. - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEP/7-B/252#sthash.YfJPHDqU.dpuf
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            Posted: December 29, 2013, 11:54 am - IP Logged

            Hmmm..something doesn't add up here is what I'm thinking.

            2012 he was raking leaves? Is THAT what I read...then 2013 he turns in the ticket. 27 years old...a wet, dirty old ticket

            in the leaves on the job...he takes it home, dries it out and finds out it's worth a million dollars? I've seen wet dirty tickets

            in the parking lot of many places. I don't take them home to dry them off and see if they are winners, I assume they

            are there for a reason, they're losers and trash that didn't find its way to the trash can.

            The odds of finding a top prize are slim..but in a pile of leaves must be the absolute worst odds in the world -

            most likely worse than MM or PB odds.

            Off to read the story again...I must've missed something.

            You missed the part where he submitted his claim in 2012, not very long after finding the ticket.

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              Posted: December 29, 2013, 1:04 pm - IP Logged

              Guess I'll be raking leaves lol Big Grin Congratulation to all the winners.

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                Posted: December 29, 2013, 1:21 pm - IP Logged

                What happened here is this guy walked into the lottery and told them upfront that he found the ticket. If someone states that, i would think there would be laws in place that allow time for the rightful owner to appear as happened here. Had he just signed it and turned it in and said nothing, it would have be a done deal because the lottery recognizes the signature as the rightful owner of that ticket. 

                Unless it involves murder or something fraudulent, the lottery doesn't concern itself with whose signature got on a ticket.... or who possesses it if no signature has been placed on the ticket. Once the lottery deems the ticket legit, the burden on whose hands that ticket is in or whose signature is on it is the burden of the purchaser, not the lottery. That is the responsibility of the owner of the ticket to sign their ticket and safeguard their ticket if they haven't signed it. If it's signed and your name does not match the signed name on the ticket you possess, it's worthless to that person regardless if it's in their possession. Who the camera shows buying a ticket has no bearing on who the rightful ticket owner is... with the exception of criminal or fraudulent investigations. For example, that person could have bought that ticket as a gift for someone and gave it to them prior to the drawing, or purchased some tickets for someone else with this other person's money as a favor while they were at the store. At the end of the day it goes back again to whose name is on that ticket or who possesses and holds that ticket with no signature. What happens to that ticket is purely the responsibility of the purchaser once they buy that ticket and why there is a place on the back of tickets to endorse yourself as the rightful owner..once that is done it can't be erased or changed it's in stone. It's there as protective measures on behalf of the purchaser.
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                  Posted: December 29, 2013, 1:24 pm - IP Logged

                  Very well said Candlelight7777.Smash

                  Money is a terrible master, but a great servant...Smile

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                    What happened here is this guy walked into the lottery and told them upfront that he found the ticket. If someone states that, i would think there would be laws in place that allow time for the rightful owner to appear as happened here. Had he just signed it and turned it in and said nothing, it would have be a done deal because the lottery recognizes the signature as the rightful owner of that ticket. 

                    Unless it involves murder or something fraudulent, the lottery doesn't concern itself with whose signature got on a ticket.... or who possesses it if no signature has been placed on the ticket. Once the lottery deems the ticket legit, the burden on whose hands that ticket is in or whose signature is on it is the burden of the purchaser, not the lottery. That is the responsibility of the owner of the ticket to sign their ticket and safeguard their ticket if they haven't signed it. If it's signed and your name does not match the signed name on the ticket you possess, it's worthless to that person regardless if it's in their possession. Who the camera shows buying a ticket has no bearing on who the rightful ticket owner is... with the exception of criminal or fraudulent investigations. For example, that person could have bought that ticket as a gift for someone and gave it to them prior to the drawing, or purchased some tickets for someone else with this other person's money as a favor while they were at the store. At the end of the day it goes back again to whose name is on that ticket or who possesses and holds that ticket with no signature. What happens to that ticket is purely the responsibility of the purchaser once they buy that ticket and why there is a place on the back of tickets to endorse yourself as the rightful owner..once that is done it can't be erased or changed it's in stone. It's there as protective measures on behalf of the purchaser.

                    Had he just signed it and turned it in and said nothing, it would have be a done deal because the lottery recognizes the signature as the rightful owner of that ticket. 

                    Unless it involves murder or something fraudulent, the lottery doesn't concern itself with whose signature got on a ticket.... or who possesses it if no signature has been placed on the ticket.
                     
                    Not necessarily. The lottery is a game with rules that they set up. The ticket doesn't have any intrinsic value. They first have to determine if: 1. The ticket is valid. and 2. The winner is the rightful owner. As a public run fundraising, they have an obligation to see if the winner of everybody's pooled money is legit. And if you don't satisfy all their rules, you don't get paid.
                     
                    Just simply signing the ticket and claiming the prize does not mean you automatically get paid. They need to validate the ticket, check that it isn't a misprint, etc. They need to check if the ticket was legally obtained. And in the case of the ticket changing hands, they may demand to know the original purchaser of the ticket, to see if they're not trying to avoid back taxes, judgements, liens, child/spousal support, are a lottery employee, etc. by having someone else claim.
                     
                    Like the case of the Hot Lotto laywer claim at the last minute:
                     
                    They demanded to know the chain of custody of the ticket and the original purchaser before paying. The lawyer/winner did not agree to this so the prize was not paid, and he withdrew the claim.
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                      Had he just signed it and turned it in and said nothing, it would have be a done deal because the lottery recognizes the signature as the rightful owner of that ticket. 

                      Unless it involves murder or something fraudulent, the lottery doesn't concern itself with whose signature got on a ticket.... or who possesses it if no signature has been placed on the ticket.
                       
                      Not necessarily. The lottery is a game with rules that they set up. The ticket doesn't have any intrinsic value. They first have to determine if: 1. The ticket is valid. and 2. The winner is the rightful owner. As a public run fundraising, they have an obligation to see if the winner of everybody's pooled money is legit. And if you don't satisfy all their rules, you don't get paid.
                       
                      Just simply signing the ticket and claiming the prize does not mean you automatically get paid. They need to validate the ticket, check that it isn't a misprint, etc. They need to check if the ticket was legally obtained. And in the case of the ticket changing hands, they may demand to know the original purchaser of the ticket, to see if they're not trying to avoid back taxes, judgements, liens, child/spousal support, are a lottery employee, etc. by having someone else claim.
                       
                      Like the case of the Hot Lotto laywer claim at the last minute:
                       
                      They demanded to know the chain of custody of the ticket and the original purchaser before paying. The lawyer/winner did not agree to this so the prize was not paid, and he withdrew the claim.
                      I did state "once the lottery deems the ticket is legit".
                      Giggles, i thought i was a bit repetitive actually on what determines a legit owner of a ticket as well, which we both are on the same page with it seems, so guess i am not understanding what your trying to clarify per what i said. Of course, as part of making sure the ticket is legit i imagine they do verify where the ticket was purchased and when. The lottery has no concern on who gave who a ticket unless there is something faulty about that ticket that raises suspicion or there is a conflict of interest raised by someone else as to how that person obtained the ticket. As far as the case you presented, it already sounds like there were red flags that prompted the whole investigation to begin with, and i have no doubt that if there are any red flags in the eyes of the lottery, that the lottery will and should further investigation.
                      Seems we are both on the same page thoughThumbs Up
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                        I was in Resorts World on Friday 12/27/2013 when the winners were presented their checks from NY Lottery Rep Yolanda Vega.  All the news stations were present and this particular guys story was as Yolanda interpreted for him was that he was hired to clean up the yard in LI after hurricane Sandy.  He was raking the leaves found the ticket and brought it home to dry.  It was a winner, already scratched and in horrible condition.  It couldn't be verified at the local store so he went to the NY Lottery customer service.  He possessed the winning ticket.  As with all big jackpots the NY lottery did an investigation.  They allowed time for the investigation and to see if anyone came forward.  When no one else came forward with a story saying they were ripped off they pronounced him the sole winner of the prize.   He stood there in shock holding the oversized cardboard check and looked like he couldn't wait to get out of there!  Best of luck to all of the winners...............and if you buy a ticket at least check it carefully.  I suspect the original winner  never thought they would get LIFE three times and was too busy looking for a big $2500 prize.  Just my opinion.

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                          I was in Resorts World on Friday 12/27/2013 when the winners were presented their checks from NY Lottery Rep Yolanda Vega.  All the news stations were present and this particular guys story was as Yolanda interpreted for him was that he was hired to clean up the yard in LI after hurricane Sandy.  He was raking the leaves found the ticket and brought it home to dry.  It was a winner, already scratched and in horrible condition.  It couldn't be verified at the local store so he went to the NY Lottery customer service.  He possessed the winning ticket.  As with all big jackpots the NY lottery did an investigation.  They allowed time for the investigation and to see if anyone came forward.  When no one else came forward with a story saying they were ripped off they pronounced him the sole winner of the prize.   He stood there in shock holding the oversized cardboard check and looked like he couldn't wait to get out of there!  Best of luck to all of the winners...............and if you buy a ticket at least check it carefully.  I suspect the original winner  never thought they would get LIFE three times and was too busy looking for a big $2500 prize.  Just my opinion.

                          Already scratched showing winner? Hmmm... there were about 50 deaths in NY from Sandy. Perhaps the original purchaser knew he had a winner, but died in the storm, and the ticket was washed/blown away.

                          R.I.P.

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                            Already scratched showing winner? Hmmm... there were about 50 deaths in NY from Sandy. Perhaps the original purchaser knew he had a winner, but died in the storm, and the ticket was washed/blown away.

                            R.I.P.

                            I forgot to mention, the owner of the home, who survived Sandy, was asked about the ticket from the Lottery and they never purchased it.  With all the hurricane winds it must have blown with the rest of the trash and leaves.

                            And by the way...all you New Yorkers..Yolanda Vega is very beuatiful.  I hope to someday meet her when I win my big jackpot Yes Nod

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                              Posted: December 29, 2013, 8:13 pm - IP Logged

                              I can't even find one dollar when I rake the leaves!