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Kentucky Lottery keeps an eye on frequent winners

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Posted: November 21, 2014, 2:39 pm - IP Logged

Since he plays straights, this would require filing out twice as many playslips (in order to bet 50 cents each and still end up with $600 per hit). Based on his frequency of play I imagine he would get pretty tired of filing out that many slips even with advance play. Maybe Kevin just likes playing fewer tickets and taking them all at once to cash them.

He redeems his tickets at the claim center. The lottery issues a check. That is how they track him. So even if they weren't required to withhold taxes from his winnings, he is still logged into the system.

You wouldn't have to fill out any more playslips. You fill it out at .50cents. You just run the slip through the machine more times is all.

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    Posted: November 21, 2014, 2:46 pm - IP Logged

    You wouldn't have to fill out any more playslips. You fill it out at .50cents. You just run the slip through the machine more times is all.

    You're right had a brain fart but that doesn't change the fact that you have twice as many tickets to keep track of. For someone playing a lot of tickets very often this can be inconveniencing. And if you keep losses to offset wins, this means potentially twice as many boxes. Many players like Kevin probably don't think of the bet sizing strategy anyway; again, it comes down to whether you want to intentionally evade taxes or not go to the trouble and just pay your dues.

    If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
    If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

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      Posted: November 21, 2014, 5:19 pm - IP Logged

      This happens in all states.Certain few can win it all,what does it matter????.All states have crooked people running the games.

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        Posted: November 21, 2014, 5:26 pm - IP Logged

        It took me 7 years to figure it out and I did,I can hit Kentucky and Georgia pick 4,,,,,,,,,,now  wait a minute,If I drive to exit 2 in Franklin and play everyday and hit,just because I know the system I wont be able to keep the money,win the money???????????....yea well I'll show you all.I hit Tennessee last night straight last night,,,,,,,,,did I play???????? no way......those computers will kick it out.....IM not stupid to her...But I know how to play.

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          Posted: November 21, 2014, 6:00 pm - IP Logged

          Keith Price is a well known celebrated Pick 3 player from Kentucky. I'm sure he's on their radar and perhaps might even be conveniently disguised as "Kevin".

          I don't know it to be fact, but I believe Keith cashes his tickets at lottery headquarters for the publicity. An LP member paid Keith a buck for six pick-3 numbers that were "good for a week" and one of his numbers hit straight.

          In KY the most common bet is the back-up and why there are so many $700 and $800 winners shown on the website. I usually play a number multiple times and the local cashing agent assured me they will pay up to $6000 with zero paper work.

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            Posted: November 21, 2014, 6:22 pm - IP Logged

            Keith wins alot ..........they never change or do an update.

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              Posted: November 21, 2014, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

              Chip Polston used to post on here as Chippolston2 if I remember right, hav'nt heard from him in awhile.

              haymaker, You are are 100% correct!!!  He has been here before as a member.

              "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

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                Posted: November 21, 2014, 10:52 pm - IP Logged

                Chip Polston used to post on here as Chippolston2 if I remember right, hav'nt heard from him in awhile.

                Yes, you are 100% correct. He was here as a member as chip p. The last time I remember chatting with him was when

                G-Tech was going to take over Kentucky. I was going to reference that with a link, but my posts on that news story have

                been deleted.

                "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

                The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

                Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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                  Posted: November 22, 2014, 10:13 am - IP Logged

                  Yes, you are 100% correct. He was here as a member as chip p. The last time I remember chatting with him was when

                  G-Tech was going to take over Kentucky. I was going to reference that with a link, but my posts on that news story have

                  been deleted.

                  OHH, Chip p, OK thanks.

                  That explains why I couldn't find him on the search.

                  I guess I was only 99% correct. LOL

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                    Posted: November 22, 2014, 10:33 am - IP Logged

                    They must not like paying out all that money on pick 3.  Two Thumbs UpThumbs Up's up for those people that have deciphered the pick 3 system.  I find it funny the lottery is paranoid, they sure come off "stasi like" if they're that concerned about people winning a lot.

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                      Posted: November 22, 2014, 10:34 am - IP Logged

                      So what. He had 30 tickets worth about $600 each in a year. There are 365 days in a year and they're
                      watching him?
                      They allow you to play as many tickets as you want along with as many games as you want to play
                      and the scoff at repeat winners or feel the need to keep data on them? I think the state lottery has
                      too many employees. If they've been keeping track of repeat winners for years is that then just a
                      safety put into place to prevent them from being 'had' or ripped off? I think they need to reassess
                      exactly who is ripping off who here. The monster can set the rules and the village has to abide by
                      them, who is watching the monster? Nobody. Nobody who will enforce any right or wrong anyway.
                      Their radar goes up when what I consider a little guy in the business wins 30 times. Who else are
                      they watching - just the mid-level guys? BS.
                      There are people on the PA website who have many winnings on p4 alone...10 tickets @ $5k is $50k.
                      There are people who are very, very good at winning. Whether it's pure luck or hard study, I think
                      they deserve to be left alone. The lottery takes in enough money. I'd be very angry to know I'm
                      being watched in a game where I am dealing with rotten odds and have to rely on sheer luck alone.
                      Instant tickets require a claim form over $600..so do other games. Tell me I'm being watched too,
                      I guess so because I have enough forms in to raise a red flag if their red flag goes up for multiple
                      wins of non-life changing amounts.
                      Will someone come knocking at my door one day to question my multiple wins? They better get
                      ready to have the door slammed in their face.
                      An organization who is edgy about repeat winners in games where WINNING is key and over advertised
                      needs to examine their books again or slash a whole lotta useless positions in their workforce.
                      Watching frequent winners says something to me.....the money is so important to them that even the
                      little guy that makes some money out of it is suspected in taking more than he/she deserves.
                      Shouldn't that be the OTHER WAY AROUND??

                      I Agree!

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                        Posted: November 23, 2014, 9:40 am - IP Logged

                        Lotteries have been monitoring repeat winners for as long as I remember. Not just for security but also out of curiosity, as Chip says, "data mining."

                        They can even tell when the big players play because sales will spike at certain locations in short periods of time. If someone wins frequently at a particular store and this correlates to sales at the time of the purchase, the lottery can determine how much that player is spending and how often they play.

                        Based on the $20K estimate, Kevin has won around 33-34 Pick 3 straights. But whether he's spending $10 or $20 a day, his odds of winning on those ~33 tickets were still pretty significant, unless he's been playing for many other years without wins (thus the reason the lottery sees it non-anomalous). The expected number of wins based on this level of expenditure would be about 7 in a year, so even 14 hits would be stretching it statistically-speaking.

                        While I do realize some people do not like the fact that state lottery's are "mining" the data, the fact of the matter is the data is their PROPERTY.  Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it, and they don't have to tell a soul what they're doing with it.  They certainly don't have to justify their actions to anyone.

                        It's a lot like 'your' computer or telephone at work.  You don't own it, your employer does. That's why employers can monitor (listen in on) your calls, watch what websites you visit, all without the employees knowledge.  Same goes for a company vehicle.  Employers can place a tracking device in their vehicle (a GPS) and tell exactly where the vehicle has been driven.  Some can even tell how fast the vehicle is travelling.  I'm aware of an employer that called an employee's cell and told them they were doing 85 MPH and to slow down.  G5

                        About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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                          While I do realize some people do not like the fact that state lottery's are "mining" the data, the fact of the matter is the data is their PROPERTY.  Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it, and they don't have to tell a soul what they're doing with it.  They certainly don't have to justify their actions to anyone.

                          It's a lot like 'your' computer or telephone at work.  You don't own it, your employer does. That's why employers can monitor (listen in on) your calls, watch what websites you visit, all without the employees knowledge.  Same goes for a company vehicle.  Employers can place a tracking device in their vehicle (a GPS) and tell exactly where the vehicle has been driven.  Some can even tell how fast the vehicle is travelling.  I'm aware of an employer that called an employee's cell and told them they were doing 85 MPH and to slow down.  G5

                          While I do realize some people do not like the fact that state lottery's are "mining" the data, the fact of the matter is the data is their PROPERTY.  Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it, and they don't have to tell a soul what they're doing with it.  They certainly don't have to justify their actions to anyone.

                          They're involved with taxpayer money,  having transparency in their operations will make them less scrutinized.   Trying to bring in an excuse like the computer and phone at work isn't a reason to give up your rights for everything else.  Getting back to the employer spying on computer and telephone, or tracking the where abouts of the vehicle(s)  that is just assumed.  However it more then likely states this when you're applying for the job,  if not at that point,  then it is when you're hired.

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                            Posted: November 23, 2014, 3:43 pm - IP Logged

                            They must not like paying out all that money on pick 3.  Two Thumbs UpThumbs Up's up for those people that have deciphered the pick 3 system.  I find it funny the lottery is paranoid, they sure come off "stasi like" if they're that concerned about people winning a lot.

                            They do not like paying out to one person on a regular basis. I remember one story I can not remember when a Missouri lottery player kept being questioned by the lottery how they were winning regularly.

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                              While I do realize some people do not like the fact that state lottery's are "mining" the data, the fact of the matter is the data is their PROPERTY.  Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it, and they don't have to tell a soul what they're doing with it.  They certainly don't have to justify their actions to anyone.

                              They're involved with taxpayer money,  having transparency in their operations will make them less scrutinized.   Trying to bring in an excuse like the computer and phone at work isn't a reason to give up your rights for everything else.  Getting back to the employer spying on computer and telephone, or tracking the where abouts of the vehicle(s)  that is just assumed.  However it more then likely states this when you're applying for the job,  if not at that point,  then it is when you're hired.

                              Agreed, it's taxpayer money, but then the lottery is a voluntary tax.  IMHO, it's far more important for a state lottery to have the appearance of being fair and honest than it is being transparent about mining the data.  If players don't think the lottery is fair and honest, then a large portion of players wouldn't play.  Players may not like the fact that the state is mining the data, but I doubt that'd be a reason why very many players would stop playing.  Kentucky has freely admitted they mine the data and I'm willing to bet ticket sales haven't suffered much at all.   

                              I completely disagree with regard to "giving up your rights."  Players aren't giving up their right to anything. They have no right to the states property, just as they don't have any rights to their next door neighbors property.  The state owns the data.  It's just that simple.  What the state chooses to do with it is their business, not the players.

                              And yes, it is assumed by many employees that employers spy on or track their employees.  I always get a huge laugh out of somebody getting fired because they used the company's property for purposes other than company business, yet the terminated employee is outraged because "they were listening in on my phone!"  I cant tell you how many times I heard somebody say something like that, because it happened more than you'd think it would or should.  G5

                              About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!