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Texas Lottery suspends sales of Monopoly Millionaires' Club game

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Posted: December 11, 2014, 9:16 pm - IP Logged

Like a few of you posters on here i understood from some insight by lottometro and others that MMC is basically operating in the red and to see it in trouble with Texas bowing out already is a suprise. Just didn't expect it to happen this soon.

I too was taken a little aback by Texas' quick exit. Big states usually like to wait things out a bit, and I assumed that everyone would sit tight until at least January when other states will (would?) be joining. However, for Texas it does make some sense.

Here is their progression of sales (oldest draw to latest):

  • $429,735
  • $379,660
  • $363,440
  • $326,540
  • $326,070
  • $288,015
  • $280,945

Literally every successive drawing resulted in sales lower than the one before it. Not to mention those sales cannot sustain prizes. This is definitely a bad sign.

As far as changing this game into a reverse lottery, it simply wouldn't work mathematically-speaking. As far as making this game have better odds and fixed cash payout, that wouldn't work either (they simply couldn't fund it). There are some great ideas here but I think bettering the game would require 1) lowering ticket price and/or 2) getting rid of the confusing other ways to play and simplifying the game into perhaps a raffle-style lottery.

If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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    Posted: December 11, 2014, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

    More States will follow suit, this game is horrendous as far as payout verses cost.

                                                 

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      Posted: December 11, 2014, 9:28 pm - IP Logged

      Well they are still selling tickets in Houston Tx I hope someone win .I guess I am one of the few people who like the game I won 500 dollars on it I understand how some people feel but  I did like it. but they are (the texas lottery)in it for the moneyToo bad.I have 2 tickets for Fridays draw.       GOOD LUCK. .

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        Posted: December 11, 2014, 9:36 pm - IP Logged

        let texas leave! leaves more for us who will graciously take 1 million or a chance at a game show spot! they pulled the trigger too soon , i can only hope that come friday i win and with it have 18 other millionaires smiling!! as a previous poster said , play at will or don't. its a known fact that any startup business does so in the red.... it takes time to turn it around.

        Presumably, Texas Lottery officials are worried there could be a streak of early "top prize" hits; severe structural flaws in the game at low sales volumes.  MMC is very deep in the red with no relief on the horizon. Sales, which were weak from the start, is further stagnating / going down in many jurisdictions that sell MMC tickets. Texas sales for the last draw was a meager $280,945 (56,189 tickets), and continuing to trend downward.

        The projected odds of anyone hitting the "top prize" for the next draw is around 1 in 73. So it would seem highly likely the "top prize" will roll-over many times, which is critical for profitability, but no guarantee. All the while, the number of guaranteed club millionaire prizes is increasing by 2 every drawing. It's no wonder Texas took the safe route and bailed out early.

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          Posted: December 11, 2014, 9:46 pm - IP Logged

          Yes thats is what they did all the money they have made over the years, they will not let them self get caught on the short end of the stick.I hope some one win form TX .I hope its me...GOOD LUCK

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            Posted: December 11, 2014, 9:46 pm - IP Logged

            I was sifting through some docs and came across an update from the end of October talking about how the game got off to a start.

            Under player feedback, they mentioned that players have been expecting the $1 million draw to occur every drawing and the need to "recondition" them to get rid of their jackpot mentality (goes back to what I was saying earlier about jackpot fatigue...trying to get minds off top prize). A lot of players also seem to think this is a scratch-off, but that is understandable since many states DO have Monopoly scratch-off games.

            They also gave excuses why the game started off poorly sales-wise....."political campaign spending" and the reason I mentioned in past posts, about the game not yet being sold in all jurisdictions (valid reason of course, but doesn't explain the enormous deviation from projections). Interestingly, they say "game is still growing" which we all know to be false. Only 3 jurisdictions had higher sales after the first draw, all 3 small fries and only marginally higher sales......like a few thousand....... LOL

            Btw, for those who have been conversing with me about the # of Vegas entries, I finally got an estimate (albeit it is lagged). According to the company that handles that part of the game, for the first 2 million or so tickets that were sold, over 3 million second-chance entries were submitted.

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            gatorsrok,

            That's true, the games does compete there; however, it has consistently continued to decline. As far as promotions, they have gone far above and beyond on offering retailers incentives, and I don't mean in just a few states....literally every participating state has had a comprehensive campaign. A few are even offering higher % commission per ticket. I can't really disclose everything they have been trying but it's obvious that the issue is not bonuses but likely education or lack of desire to try to sell players a confusing $5 ticket. The marketing campaigns for this game are very widespread, I just think the execution has been poor.

            If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
            If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

            2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
            P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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              Posted: December 11, 2014, 9:54 pm - IP Logged

              I was sifting through some docs and came across an update from the end of October talking about how the game got off to a start.

              Under player feedback, they mentioned that players have been expecting the $1 million draw to occur every drawing and the need to "recondition" them to get rid of their jackpot mentality (goes back to what I was saying earlier about jackpot fatigue...trying to get minds off top prize). A lot of players also seem to think this is a scratch-off, but that is understandable since many states DO have Monopoly scratch-off games.

              They also gave excuses why the game started off poorly sales-wise....."political campaign spending" and the reason I mentioned in past posts, about the game not yet being sold in all jurisdictions (valid reason of course, but doesn't explain the enormous deviation from projections). Interestingly, they say "game is still growing" which we all know to be false. Only 3 jurisdictions had higher sales after the first draw, all 3 small fries and only marginally higher sales......like a few thousand....... LOL

              Btw, for those who have been conversing with me about the # of Vegas entries, I finally got an estimate (albeit it is lagged). According to the company that handles that part of the game, for the first 2 million or so tickets that were sold, over 3 million second-chance entries were submitted.

              Edit (responding to below post):

              gatorsrok,

              That's true, the games does compete there; however, it has consistently continued to decline. As far as promotions, they have gone far above and beyond on offering retailers incentives, and I don't mean in just a few states....literally every participating state has had a comprehensive campaign. A few are even offering higher % commission per ticket. I can't really disclose everything they have been trying but it's obvious that the issue is not bonuses but likely education or lack of desire to try to sell players a confusing $5 ticket. The marketing campaigns for this game are very widespread, I just think the execution has been poor.

              If I remember correctly, the first few drawings were also competing with a really high PB and/or MM jackpots at the same time.  In any event, the game was poorly marketed to players and to vendors.  I buy a couple tickets a week and nobody knows what I am talking about.  I've been handed a $5 monopoly scratchoff ticket about half the time. 

              They could give vendor incentives/bonuses to sell more tickets like they do with most new scratchoffs and the powerplay options on PB and MM.  At least that would encourage the vendor to learn about the game and sell it to people who don't know about it or understand it.

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                Posted: December 11, 2014, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

                LOLI Agree! Boy, back in oct. before the game launched i remember a couple of vendors not knowing what the hell i was referring to and offered me the scratch offs we have here in MD and i had to show them the poster in front of them what i really meant. They still looked at it clueless. LOL  Bang Head

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                  Posted: December 11, 2014, 10:43 pm - IP Logged

                  Man I feel like I wish they would give it a little more time down here in Texas but I know its about their bottom line they are in

                   

                  it to make money not lose money but in only 3 months the game has produced 15 people that won at least a million not bad.But maybe they will fixs what ever they feel like they need to do if not oh well.

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                    Posted: December 11, 2014, 11:18 pm - IP Logged

                    Fact is most states don't need a multi-state game selling $5 tickets to offer a million dollar prize, they already have games with $1 tickets with larger prizes and better odds.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      Posted: December 11, 2014, 11:23 pm - IP Logged

                      Honestly, it seems like a stupid game--and the odds are terrible for a game that's $5 a play. Soon to be coming to California, I don't give two sh*ts.

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                        Posted: December 12, 2014, 12:15 am - IP Logged

                        let texas leave! leaves more for us who will graciously take 1 million or a chance at a game show spot! they pulled the trigger too soon , i can only hope that come friday i win and with it have 18 other millionaires smiling!! as a previous poster said , play at will or don't. its a known fact that any startup business does so in the red.... it takes time to turn it around.

                        I Agree!

                        It's not like Texas is scrapping the game to benefit the players. Didn't Texas halt All or Nothing sales because players were making bets encouraged by the lottery on the play slips?

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                          Fact is most states don't need a multi-state game selling $5 tickets to offer a million dollar prize, they already have games with $1 tickets with larger prizes and better odds.

                          Sounds familiar; remember when they created Lot 'O Play believing all the scratch-off bingo play would buy tickets?

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                            I was never a huge fan of this game. It looked interesting when it first debuted but now it looks like the shine is fading. The cost is absurd, the odds are not that attractive, and you can't even choose your own property to play. I hope it stays in Indiana for a little while longer, this gives me a chance to study the game and hopefully try it a least once.

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                              Posted: December 12, 2014, 1:42 am - IP Logged

                              I have been holding back and not wanting to misjudge it and the players to much, now that this has happened,  screw it am giving the nitwit  players that wanted this game a piece of my mind (not you guys on here ofc) and my honest truth of what's wrong with this game DNA!

                               

                              This game DNA was created for all short sighted people who only play once the jackpot is 200+ million or so, and  these players often say something like " why can't there be like 300 plus  one million dollar winners vs just 1 big winner? I want such a game! blah blah blah -nitwits

                              The people who came up with this game, the lotteries said it was MADE for these nitwit  players. They got all this large feedback, wanting national game that created hundreds of millionaires, the issue is same one effecting govt, the majority wanting it are nitwits.

                              Lottery god bless them for even trying, tried to give the majority of nitwits what they wanted, going if this is what they want, we give it to them!

                              What they failed to understand, is the  players who wanted this in large part ARE NOT the players who build a game up to 300+ million in prizes!

                              The dependable players who raise sales and play often are ones looking for large jackpot's!  Not capped small jackpots with better amount of lower prices. 

                              Sadly only must hardcore was left to support this game!    you have to really like spending money on lottery for hell of it and love monopoly to want to buy into this game and keep playing ever draw at these low prizes at this price.

                              I felt bad seeing low sales numbers, knowing nitwits are not playing, only must hardcore happy spenders  who always play no matter what people jumping in at limited number at that.   sense all the "I want 300+  different one million dollars winners" nitwits are not playing this game not going anywhere.

                              They don't play often if at all,  so fact they hand created  a lottery game for these people  is mind blowing to me. 

                              They are worthless players to depend on. and low sales and now pullout of one large state conform my thinking this is failed game and we deserve better.

                              $5,530,940 was sales for first ever draw for this new game, and was in fact also it's highest sales ever draw.

                              then next 2 draws was 4 million range, then last 4 draws was in 3 million range!

                              Soon it be next draws only 2 million range at this rate............ the game is dead.

                              People play to win a large amount of money.  If they see jackpot gone up, they keep playing, and more and more players jump on and current players slowly buy more ever draw. sooner or later where a giant snowball that worth 200+ million in jackpot prize pool.

                              Lottery needs to give us a national 5 dollar jackpot game where largest amount of money goes  for 1 big prize, it needs to GO TO JACKPOT. not 2nd place prize pool.

                              Now don't get me wrong in great world I love the idea of a raffle game, but I want a pure raffle game and this it is not it by a long shot.

                              I just hope this failed game makes it clear, capped games, share the wealth with hundreds of winners don't make a good selling game compared to high sales of a large jackpot game.

                              The whole reason i play is for fun of "what if", and 1 million dollars is not dream entertainment.

                              I want the entertainment of thinking " what if" about 100+ million  etc. And form what I read on here, lots of pb/mm players are the same.

                              Small capped jackpot's are not entertainment.. It's sad they depend on a game show to create entertainment for the players. The game jackpot should be the entertainment. 

                              I hope all states give up on this game as it is, and i hope one day we can get a national game with insane odds that can grow to 1 billion dollars or more.

                              Everyone will say it's crazy and ask why we need a billion dollar jackpot, why can't we have more winners , and for 1 billion jackpot, why can't we just create 1000 millionaires vs this insane jackpot "no one needs that much money"  blah blah blah.

                              It's not about "needs" nitwits players, it's about entertainment and guest what, high jackpot's are the entertainment.  and the sales of a billion dollar jackpot will support it self if made. unlike this failed game given to very people who Don't want a billion dollar jackpot.

                              Give players entertainment, give them billion dollar jackpot game!

                              "This game DNA was created for all short sighted people who only play once the jackpot is 200+ million or so, and  these players often say something like " why can't there be like 300 plus  one million dollar winners vs just 1 big winner? I want such a game! blah blah blah -nitwits"

                              And now the people who created the game are saying "Did I do that?"

                              A simple roll down when the jackpot reaches a designated amount wouldn't create lots of millionaires, but the secondary prizes would be much better. The argument against that is "but the players want to be millionaires" and they are back to square one. Don't look for any state lottery to create a "players always win" game so it's statusquo; games will come and go.