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Illinois Lottery not paying big winners because state legislature won't pass budget

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Posted: August 29, 2015, 11:29 am - IP Logged

I would think if you chose an annuity before this budget crisis it would be safe. The annuity would be separate  from IL budget unless you needed to claim a winner right now.

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    Posted: August 29, 2015, 11:41 am - IP Logged

    I hope that if such a  thing happened here the lottery would be closed down because of lack of playing customers. what a SCAM, what a JOKE.

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      Posted: August 29, 2015, 11:44 am - IP Logged

      Ouch ! Thought the lottery prize money was kept independent of the general budget.

      Know it's naive to believe the politicians would do right by the people.

      Any thing can happen in this world, so when you win, don't go out and start spending before you receive that big fat check. 

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        Posted: August 29, 2015, 12:14 pm - IP Logged

        And this is why you never ever ever take the annuity, take the cash and run because you never know what will happen down the road, especially with these governments. 

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          Posted: August 29, 2015, 7:54 pm - IP Logged

          I think they've (the IL lottery) lost a lot of credibility.

          This might change a lot of jackpot game players into Pick 3 and P{ick 4 players.

          I usually play MM hoping for a 5 + 0 but right now it's pointless.

          Playing Lucky Day Lotto (5/39 progressive jp starts at $100,000) would also be futile.

          There's no other gambling endeavor where the 'house' would be allowed to book action and not pay out.

          Bang Head

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Posted: August 29, 2015, 8:52 pm - IP Logged

            This story did make the local news here, but it sounded like it was a different couple they had interviewed. A 73 & 74yr old couple called the Whitfields and they said the state was withholding a $400,000 check from them... He was frustrated to say the least...

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              Posted: August 29, 2015, 9:29 pm - IP Logged

              I would think if you chose an annuity before this budget crisis it would be safe. The annuity would be separate  from IL budget unless you needed to claim a winner right now.

              I'm not so sure.  I recently asked the FL lottery about how the annuity is handled for their lotto game.  The bonds that are purchased for the annuity are held by the State Board of Administration.  When the bonds mature they are disbursed to the lottery.  A lot of times these budget holdups mean that the government entity cannot write any checks until the stalemate has resolved.  It was my understanding that, at least in FL, if there was some sort of budget crisis you might not get paid until after the crisis was resolved.

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                Posted: August 29, 2015, 10:42 pm - IP Logged

                After years of struggling financially, Susan Rick thought things were looking up when her boyfriend won $250,000 from the Illinois Lottery last month. She could stop working seven days a week, maybe fix up the house and take a trip to Minnesota to visit her daughter.

                But because Illinois lawmakers have not passed a budget, she and her boyfriend, Danny Chasteen, got an IOU from the lottery instead.

                "For the first time, we were finally gonna get a break," said Rick, who lives in Oglesby. "And now the Illinois Lottery has kind of messed everything up."

                Under state law, the state comptroller must cut the checks for lottery winnings of more than $25,000. And lottery officials said that because lawmakers have yet to pass a budget, the comptroller's office does not have legal authority to release the funds.

                Prizes of $25,000 or less will still be paid at lottery claim centers across the state, and people who win $600 or less can cash in their ticket at the place where they bought it.

                But the bigger winners? Out of luck, for now.

                While lottery officials could not immediately say how many winners' payments were delayed or provide the total amount of those payoffs, the agency's website lists multiple press releases for winners since the current fiscal year began July 1. Including Chasteen, those winners represent millions of dollars in prizes.

                "The lottery is a state agency like many others, and we're obviously affected by the budget situation," Illinois Lottery spokesman Steve Rossi said. "Since the legal authority is not there for the comptroller to disburse payments, those payments are delayed."

                While Rossi said winners will eventually receive their money once a budget is in place, the promise is cold comfort for Rick.

                "You know what's funny? If we owed the state money, they'd come take it and they don't care whether we have a roof over our head," Rick said. "Our budget wouldn't be a factor. You can't say (to the state), 'Can you wait until I get my budget under control?' "

                Rick, 48, and Chasteen, 56, were expecting the money to come this week after he turned in his winning ticket July 20 to the lottery claim center in Rockford. Instead, they got a phone call this week from lottery officials saying the payment would be delayed because of the budget impasse.

                "I was kind of in shock," Chasteen said. "I called them back the next day (and) said, 'Why am I not getting my money?' ... I think it's all wrong they're doing it this way. They should pay the money we're owed."

                Rick said she also spoke with another lottery official, who tried to reassure her that the couple would get their money as soon as lawmakers pass a budget.

                "And he tries to tell me it could be any day now," she said. "So I went online, and every article I read says they're not even close (to passing a budget). So don't give me that line. It could be months. You're collecting interest on our money that we should be collecting."

                Rossi would not speculate on what effect the delays might have on the lottery's revenues if people choose to stop playing until the state resolves the budget crisis, and he was not aware of any effort to pass a special measure to allow the comptroller to pay out winnings while lawmakers and the governor haggle over the budget.

                State Rep. Jack Franks, D-Marengo, has been a frequent critic of the state's handling of the lottery and said this is just another example.

                "I sort of like the business model, because if we take the money in and never have to pay, how do we lose?" Franks said sarcastically.

                "Our government is committing a fraud on the taxpayers, because we're holding ourselves out as selling a good, and we're not — we're not selling anything," Franks said. "The lottery is a contract: I pay my money, and if I win, you're obligated to pay me and you have to pay me timely. It doesn't say if you have money or when you have money."

                Longtime lottery and gaming consultant Matthew Smith said Illinois lawmakers and lottery officials should have found a way to ensure winners were promptly paid regardless of whether there was a budget in place because failing to do so risks destroying consumer trust in the lottery.

                "Any other brand that would come back and say, 'Well, we promised we would have this product, this service, and you will get it but we just can't tell you when' — any other brand that would do that to you, you would never use again," said Smith, vice chairman of Shapiro+Raj. "Is it going to affect their play? I think in the short term, if the state is able to find a way to get (winners) paid and paid quickly, and kind of puts this aside as a glitch, they can probably save things."

                But if the delays stretch on indefinitely, Smith said, word will spread — especially if it affects people who play regularly.

                "If that news just continues to go viral, and it goes back to their neighborhoods and people are talking about it, I think it could have an impact," Smith said. "And even if it affects sales by a percent or two, that's bad for the lottery."

                Rick said she and Chasteen had to cancel their trip to see her daughter, which they planned to pay for out of Chasteen's lottery winnings. She said delays in payment will only discourage people from playing because it will seem like false hope that they will win.

                "Who do you think buys lottery tickets most of the time?" Rick said. "Not millionaires. People who don't have a lot of money. You're messing with all those dreams."

                Thanks to goodlukman for the tip.

                This such have never happen. If you do everything correct in the paper work to claim the prize & the lottery said, it the winner. IF you are standing in the lottery headquarter, hand over the check. You're budget problem such not have become the players problem. I players paid , right then expecting to get paid. Not a I.O.U.  when we get the budget in place. The money for these type of winner , such have been all ready set a side from the old budget. These people such not have been put on hold.No No

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                  Posted: August 29, 2015, 10:51 pm - IP Logged

                  This story did make the local news here, but it sounded like it was a different couple they had interviewed. A 73 & 74yr old couple called the Whitfields and they said the state was withholding a $400,000 check from them... He was frustrated to say the least...

                  Related news stories have mentioned different people and different amounts.

                  You have to love this.......on the IL lottery homepage, under the pot at the end of the rainbow, the motto is

                  ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE.

                  What?

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    Posted: August 29, 2015, 10:58 pm - IP Logged

                    Shame .

                    The Struggle is real!

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                      Posted: August 30, 2015, 12:39 am - IP Logged

                      Have they stop the mega million, and powerball game in Ill.   I mean if you can't pay off if someone hits it, then why take people money right now.  That's like selling a product, that you know you can't ship right away.

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                        Posted: August 30, 2015, 4:33 am - IP Logged

                        Have they stop the mega million, and powerball game in Ill.   I mean if you can't pay off if someone hits it, then why take people money right now.  That's like selling a product, that you know you can't ship right away.

                        That is a good point.  They ARE selling a product which they can't fulfill on.  Wonder what federal agency the people of IL would need to get involved to force them to pay or stop selling the games till they can?

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                          Posted: August 30, 2015, 4:36 am - IP Logged

                          This story is complete B.S.  The lottery is funded by ticket sales, not by the state.  Players should immediately file a lawsuit against the state and ask for ten times damages.

                          Wonder when a IL attorney will step in to get this started? 

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                            Posted: August 30, 2015, 9:07 am - IP Logged

                            first off, I would get a lawyer and sue for huge amount in a court with a jury.next i would start a pettition to impeach each of the politicians that are involvd with this problem next i would go to the local news and morning programs on tv and get this all over the place next go on you tube and facebook. each and every time you go somewhere to get ths out make sure you mention the name of the people in office that are involved with this.the more it gets out with their names the faster this gets resolved.if the public hears over and over that state not paying on lottery then either will go to another state to play or not play at all.if enough players are not getting paid then big law firm should jump on class action lawsuit

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                              Posted: August 30, 2015, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

                              Why would Lottery Funds be tied into the States budget? Are  they robbing Peter to pay Paul?

                              I've always thought The Lottery is a separate entity.

                              I Agree!

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