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Iraqi's Oregon jackpot raises questions on lottery sales

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Posted: December 19, 2015, 6:44 pm - IP Logged

"And how on earth would a lottery ticket from Binky's, of all places, end up in the possession of a man from halfway around the world?"

I could understand if it was the Wyoming or another relatively new state lottery, but someone at the Oregon Lottery should know about lottery butler services. The legality is interesting because the winning ticket never left the U.S. and the butler service charged their fee up front.

IMO, as for granting anonymity, any future Megabucks jackpot winner now has a claim. Opinions aside, there is no Oregon law preventing butler services from buying and selling tickets or paying foreign players.

I agree with you 100%.
It sounds retaliatory. Something seems dirty about the WHOLE situation.

I'd really like to know what the nationality is of the folks at Binkey's where the alleged ticket was sold? And, like you said, how did it end up half way around the world?

This lottery situation smells like old rotted camel dung.
(and it's not my home. I keep a clean home, here in the U.S.A.)

How do we know this offsite "Lotter" place is legit?

So, how the heck?  And who says "they did nothing wrong"?  Who said they did?
But something smells fishy, just the same, doesn't it?

But why was it allowed to even be considered. Did the 3rd party place print the ticket after the fact?  Isn't there something that says only an Oregon resident(s) could possibly be a winner(s)? Doesn't Binkys lotto fall under the umbrella of the USA lotto that we, here in the USA are familiar with?

Can somebody call up this Binkeys place to find out more details?

The media may be afraid to stir up anything, related to this situation, since it involves Iraq.

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    Posted: December 19, 2015, 7:00 pm - IP Logged

    I contacted the Attorney General's office here in Mass. in 2014 when I was thinking about signing up for thelotter. Here is a copy of our dialogue, I've substituted Mattapan for my name and AGO for the Paralegal's name. As you can see they weren't very helpful:

     

    From: Mattapan

    To: AGO

    Sent: June 13, 2014

    subject: Online Lottery Concierge Services

    Hello AGO,
    I am writing to find out the legality of online butler services. There are websites like "thelotter" and "" who advertise that when you sign up and deposit money into your account that is registered on their site, they will then purchase lottery tickets for you in various locations. For example they advertise that they will buy a lottery ticket for you in Brazil, and in europe for the euromillions. My question is whether or not these types of services are legal for united states citizens to play? Is it legal for dominicans who are residents here to play? Thank you,
    Mattapan

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: (AGO) (AGO) <XXXXXXXX@ Mass Mail. State .MA.US>
    To: Mattapan.
    Cc: XXXXXX (AGO) (AGO) <Supervisor@ state. ma. us>
    Sent: Tue, Jun 24, 2014 9:59 am
    Subject: Online Lottery Concierge Services

    Hello Mattapan

    Thank you very much for your inquiry to the Attorney General’s Office. Your email was forwarded to me for response. In response to your inquiry, I would like to direct you to Massachusetts G.L. c. 271, specifically sections 9 and 11, which I have attached to this email. Please take a look at this law, specifically sections 9 and 11, because it may well be that once you familiarize yourself with this law, the answer to your question may be apparent. If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact myself or the chief of the Gaming Enforcement Division Patrick Hanley at 617-963-2512.

    Thank you

     

    AGO

    Paralegal

    Gaming Enforcement Division

    Office of the Attorney General

    One Ashburton Place

    Boston, MA 02108

    617-XXX-XXXX

     

    From: Mattapan
    Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:21 AM
    To: (AGO)
    Subject: Re: Online Lottery Concierge Services

    Hello AGO

    Thank you for the information. According to the laws, it looks like the companies are legit. The laws address companies selling lottery tickets, these companies aren't selling anything. They are just buying the tickets for you, that is the difference. Thanks again,

    Mattapan

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From:  (AGO) (AGO) <XXXXXXXX@ MassMail. State. MA .US>
    To:Mattapan
    Cc:  (AGO) (AGO) <Supervisor@ state .ma. us>
    Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 10:30 am
    Subject: RE: Online Lottery Concierge Services

    Hello Mattapan,

    In response to your explanation, the Office of the Attorney General’s interpretation of these laws differs from the interpretation you have provided. Again, please contact myself or the chief of the Gaming Enforcement Division Patrick Hanley if you have any further questions.

    Thank you

    AGO

     

    From: Mattapan 
    Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:35 AM
    To:  (AGO)
    Subject: Re: Online Lottery Concierge Services

    Hello AGO,

    Ok, can you give me the AG's interpretation of these laws, please. Is it legal for a company to purchase tickets for someone in another state or country? I.E. I live in Boston and a company will purchase euromillions tickets for me in France, is this legal? Thanks

    Mattapan

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: AGO>
    To: Mattapan>
    Cc: XXXXXX (AGO) (AGO) <AGO supervisor>
    Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 11:47 am
    Subject: RE: Online Lottery Concierge Services

    HelloMattapan

    I have given as much information to you as I can. I would advise that you consult a private attorney about your question because I cannot give you legal advice.

    Thank you

    AGO

    Paralegal

    Gaming Enforcement Division

    Office of the Attorney General

    One Ashburton Place

    Boston, MA 02108

    617-XXX-XXXX

     

    From: Mattapan
    Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:03 PM
    To:  (AGO)
    Subject: Re: Online Lottery Concierge Services

    Hello AGO,

    Thank you for your help with answering my question about Online Concierge services. My other question is this. I know US citizens are barred from playing lotteries in foreign countries online, but would the same law apply to someone who is a Dominican citizen and is a permanent resident here in the United States? Thank you

    Mattapan

     

    Hello Mattapan,

    Your inquiry seems to be more of a question of federal law. I recommend you consult federal law on this matter or speak with a private attorney.

    Thank you

    AGO

    Paralegal

    Gaming Enforcement Division

    Office of the Attorney General

    One Ashburton Place

    Boston, MA 02108

    617-XXX-XXXX

    I left a post in reply but have since changed my mind about it.

     

    It seems, thanks to allowing these off-shore  butler services, wethere they're

    legit or not, and allows potentially 7 billion players to make lotto bets.

    And what are the odds on hitting the lotto? 1 in 175 million?

     

    I'm hating this world more and more.

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      Posted: December 24, 2015, 4:11 am - IP Logged

      I am happy but surprised that he got the prize. I have always been skeptical about playing lotteries through middlemen.

      I only play directly with lotteries by subscription. I would like to know how much commission the winner was charged?

      We all get a lot out of lotteries!

        Bondi Junction
        Australia
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        Posted: December 24, 2015, 4:18 am - IP Logged

        How much commission do "butler services" change players, and how much do they charge winners?

        It would be interesting to know!

        We all get a lot out of lotteries!