Young Americans are showing less interest in buying lotto tickets than their parents, prompting lottery officials to worry about the odds for future growth.
While overall ticket sales rose 9 percent last year versus 2015, the number of millennials — adults in their late teens to early 30s — who play is falling.
That is creating consternation among leaders of the industry, which generates $80 billion in annual revenue, more than the combined U.S. sales of movie tickets, music and concerts.
"I feel like everything's just too expensive nowadays to just kind of throw away your money on luck," Melissa Mancilla, a 21-year-old hotel worker, said outside a downtown Los Angeles convenience store.
Andrew Hunter, a 26-year-old who works in software, said he does not buy lottery tickets, but his grandmother does.
"If I was going to bet money for entertainment it would probably be on sports betting versus lottery, just because it's more interactive," he said after leaving the same store.
Only a third of Americans aged 18 to 29 said they played the lottery in the past year, compared with 61 percent for those aged 50 to 64, according to a 2016 Gallup survey.
The rate for millennials fell from 39 percent in surveys conducted in 2003 and 2007, Gallup said. For all other age groups, the likelihood of playing went up over the past decade.
"Most millennials don't want to wait two days to see if they won the Powerball. They consume entertainment content just much faster than consumers did 20 years ago," said Charles McIntyre, executive director of the New Hampshire Lottery.
"We're not broke, we're just at the inflection point where a failure to change will have a steep decline over time."
'Next generation players'
Lottery officials say they are limited by laws in many states that were aimed at preventing compulsive gambling and ban the sale of lotto tickets online or via payment with credit cards.
The Virginia Lottery has tried to make things easier for players in an increasingly cashless society by allowing debit card purchases, said its executive director, Paula Otto. Other states are making similar changes, she said.
"The next generation of lottery players grew up with technology and approach making purchases and playing games differently," Otto said in an email.
Lotteries provide more than $20 billion a year to states for programs including education and military veterans.
All but six U.S. states have a lottery, and they use the proceeds in different ways, such as supplemental funding or poured directly into a state's general fund.
In California, the most populous U.S. state, most lottery proceeds are used for one-time expenses by public schools, such the purchase of library materials. A decrease in lottery sales would mean less money for those supplemental materials but would not result in program cutbacks, said California Lottery spokesman Russ Lopez.
Despite record jackpots, millennials used to the almost-instant gratification of online games and social media are put off by having to wait for the drawing of a winning ticket. Experts say they are also more risk-averse than their elders.
"This is a generation that came of age in the recession," said MaryLeigh Bliss, 33-year-old chief content officer for Ypulse, a marketing and research firm focused on millennials.
Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Illinois, New York state and Virginia allow online sales on lottery games to at least some degree.
In 2011, the U.S. Justice Department said proposals in Illinois and New York to allow online lotto sales did not violate federal law. The industry is now looking to see if President Donald Trump's new U.S. attorney general, Jeff Sessions, who opposed the move, could reconsider that decision.
Another strategy that lottery officials are exploring to appeal to millennials is designing prizes that also include a social component, such as VIP access to a concert.
"They want an experience, not just a prize," said Rose Hudson, president of the North American Association of State & Provincial Lotteries.
A sign that the Cost of Living (Taxes) is too High!
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Yeah it is. But also, it's the over-population that we see, have seen and have yet to see, which has caused the
"lotto-powers-that-be" to increase the already impossible odds on the 2 main games we play.
With the ever increasing India-scaled over-population our planet sees, comes that much more greed.
I've urged people, and still do, to start wearing protection. But they refuse, laugh, and continue to have kids like rats. We'll see. This is also why I turn down any pan handlers on the streets that should come up to me, bumming change.
Food shortages in the USA could be a very real threat.
So, playing lotto these days would turn me off too, if I was in that earlier age group that the article mentions, and if I've blown the money I have.
Or simply that they understand the odds better than their parents do and they're not relying on gambling to attain wealth. In either case it's not about taxes. Especially since on these current taxes, their parents are purchasing an increased number of tickets.
One of the main challenges I see for the lotteries in attracting millennials is their unbearable snarkiness and blind following of their social media heroes. They are so afraid of independent thought and analysis that once their social network derides an idea like the lottery (they don't debate, they deride), it is nearly impossible to get a millennial to step out on their own and make an independent decision. So afraid to be different, yet claiming to be just that.
Of course I'm stating generalities here, but generalities are what marketers look at.
I agree with all the comments but I also believe the lotteries are deflecting blame for their own poor management.
IMHO
If they can't play online using their smart phones, they aren't interested!!
Maybe the politicians will wake up and realize that many potential lottery gamblers can't drive anymore, or have stopped going to the store for a host of reasons.
Cost and taxes don't have anything to do with it.
I'm hoping that Texas politicians now in session are smart enough to see that adopting online play is their only option.
Be a shame if we have to wait another two years.
You make a very valid point. I am 75, I graduated high school at 17, in 1959. Raised by a sharecropper, stepped out into the world with confidence. There are people 40 and below, who don't know what the words obligations and responsibilities mean. They can't think for themselves, still depending on mom and dad to take care of them. How do they expect to exist, when mom and dad die? I believe the majority of them are Liberals.
I would never blame State Lotteries, which have contributed to numerous FABULOUS times in my life! I have won more times in DC and Maryland than I can even recall. On MLK day in 2005, I hit 4444 for $15,000 and $5,000 on 2222! A typical win for me is $1,200 two to three times a month.
I have since left the DC/Maryland area and continue to play state lotteries wherever I travel.
I arrived in Texas in August 2012, and by year end I had won $14,600! I won $3,600 in Tennessee, $1,500 in Missouri, $1,250 in Rhode Island. Yes, Rhode Island! $1,200 in West Virginia, $1,200 in Virginia. I could go on and on, but I gotta go play my numbers!
They internet lotteries have to offer both options store and the Internet!
So true.
It's because they're lazy, good for nothing, entitled!!
What celebrities have campaigned against playing the lottery? If I recall, when the jackpot hit a billion or 600 million a few years back, people like Ellen were giving tickets away. An NBA player bought 10's of thousands. People viewed it positively! Everyone young and old was playing
I see your points, I think, CARBOB. Many people born after 1976 are living at home. Their parents/guardians are going to the grocery store and gas station to get the weekly replenishments. I presume that the majority of lottery ticket sales are made to these older generous multi-taskers.
I also think that many adults under 35 are questioning their older, regular weekly lottery ticket buying acquaintances. This questioning leads the younger to understand that their acquantances' past 25-30 year results have been a leading loss of approximately $450/year. They therefore decide not to develop their older acquaintances chronically depressing habit of long-term losses.
My guess is a realization of how long the odds are and therefore play accordingly, an understanding that they are still young and control their destiny in life whereas a lot of older people see at as the only way they will get rich in their remaining years.
I never played the lottery in my 20's. I thought it was a waste of money. I was always amused when my granny spent a dollar on her weekly pb ticket. She would get the bonus # very often.
Once I could put some effort into it and read all the stories online and past numbers, my attitude changed.
Heard on some crime documentary that mafia gambling was so popular because they had better odds than casinos.
Do people still play "the numbers"
Millennials listen to the media and think about what messages the media has been sending these last few years with the poor odds of winning
I would like to see online play also, but Texas is very conservative. And don't forget that there are politicians in Austin that are very anti-lottery, and would love to abolish the lottery. So, I think the online idea is not going to happen for a long, long time, if ever here in the Lone Star state.
My 3 kids know I play regularly, and they think I just waste my money. Well, I probably do. But it is my entertainment. My oldest is 35 and when I visit her in Odessa, I'll go out to buy tix, and she just shakes her head and says "Dad, you and your lottery". Kinda like I would scold her when she was little. LOL.
You're not paying attention then. The lottery is frequently and regularly derided by the celebrity types who think they're so smart. Case in point is the video I actually made an appearance in, by John Oliver. The same old rubbish about how the lottery is a "tax on the poor" and other jingoistic falsehoods.
The fact that some celebrities play the lottery when the jackpot gets high is testament to their hypocrisy, not an endorsement of lotteries. The primary motivation for people like Ellen is to boost their ratings because the people she normally looks down on for playing the lottery will tune into her show that features the popular lottery game that all the normal people are playing. If you think Ellen is stopping by the 7-11 every morning to pick up some Pick 3 tickets, you're sadly mistaken.
I'm not saying that Ellen (or other celebrities) are all bad because of this. I am referring strictly to their views about the lottery, so hopefully you don't feel like I am attacking your favorite TV host or movie star. My mention of celebrities was because they generally hold very anti-lottery views, and millennials blindly follow the leads of these somewhat rudderless members of society.
I agree with Todd in the sense that it does not help anybody to criticize things that people do. No one knows what goals people have who play the lottery. What benefit does it offer to say something negative or put down someone who plays. I think that thats no good. And people who do that should try do something else. like the opposite in fact. Negativity breeds negativity, so those people are just trying to convince everyone that they are right.
And for the fact is, the lotteries of all states should be worried. Their payouts suck. Period. Excuse my French. But seriously, they do period.
When someone can't even pull in $40 in 30 days guessing, and the lotteries are making over $25 million in a month, well it ain't hard to figure out, is it? Anyways, I am not talking about myself btw, but in general.
LOL! I hear ya. But when I do win my youngest and I are dancing and singing boom shaka laka! Lol. Plus she thinks I'm a genius. Lol. Best of luck to you.
That's not a generality, that's just wrong.
If it wasn't for the selfish, lazy, stupid brats called "Baby boomers" and "GenX", then we wouldn't need to struggle as hard as we are.
To quote an ignorant, foolish, misguided, lying young man who thinks he's entitled to a free ride through life:
"That's not a generality, that's just wrong."
I don't know about other LP posters, but once in a blue moon I'll frequent several different state lottery sites. Like looking @ the pictures and how much they've won. Seems to me there a quite a few millenials that win the lottery and many have been featured on LP just as recent as three weeks there was an 18 year old from MA.
He is not even qualified to work at a fast food restaurant. He lives in his parents basement and waits for them to die so he will own something.
I agree Carbob. It seems the ones under 40 or even 50 were also never taught basic money management skills. We have several people in my office who are divorced but they bought homes first by cashing out their retirement accounts and did not have at least a year in emergency savings when they bought homes. So when an emergency arose or a marriage broke up, they lost their homes and have major debt in addition to student loans. There really is no excuse, especially for well educated professionals. But these people still eat out 2-3 times a day and whine about their debt.
I did without a car for 4 years when I finished school and brought my lunch every day to work in order to buy a home.And I still do most days!
Many Millennials are up to their eyeballs in student loan debt. First time homebuyers is what drives the health of the housing market, and many Millennials are opting to rent then buy becuase they can't even save up money for a down payment for house, furthermore many are choosing to use public transportation rather then own a car. The Millennials are basically Generation Broke!
Ding, ding, ding!
They don't truly understand yet that the only people who really get ahead in life are lottery winners.
You don't know what struggling is.
kingofdearth..."making millennials look bad since the day he was born !
Lol lol
Started working at 15, my Dad was smart first time job for a kid, as long as you pay them under a certain amount, you can write it off on your taxes. Reasonable wages that you pay to your minor child to work are fully deductible as legitimate business expense. Got an IRA too when I was young. But I've seen what Wall Street and places like Charles Schwabb have done with that. None of it is good. But still I've done a lot of different jobs in my life. Some people have helped while some people have decided to hurt. Since I live in NYC, the truth is that you can never make enough money here. Working is tough, cell phone bills, rent, clothes, FOOD, dating. It all adds up. Parents tell their children save your pennies for a rainy day. Well, what's wrong with listening to your parents? Nothing at all. Good friends good times best money on earth. And stay away at all costs from the scammers. Kids need options, lotto is supposed to be fun. In the words of my Dad, "nobody said life was supposed to be easy."
This thread is a hoot!
The young'ins don't buy into the lottery because it's not attractive to them.
It's no different from those so called lottery players who ONLY want to put their money down when the jackpot is high. Yeah, let the regular players keep pumping up the jackpot until they decide it's the right time to get in. I think these folk are the worst.
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You do realize, though, that it's not just the people who can't drive anymore, that will continue to play lotto.
I'd feel a lot safer in Texas traffic (the next time I'm driving through there), if they don't pass ANY smart phone gambling bill.
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Yeah. The "so called" lottery players, who'll only play when the jack pot is "ripe enough".
Those players should definitely be "banned".
I was going to say the same thing.....If they can't play on their phones, forget it.
Of the generations you mentioned the millennial are most likely to not leave home and stay with mommy and daddy.
If it wasn't for an awful lot of baby boomers you'd be speaking Japanese or German right now, Verstehe ingrate.
On the plus side you'd then know what this is: Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz.
(And yes, it's an actual word)
Also, those boomers fighting in WW2 is quite the feat seeing how they were born after it ended.
MM,
Nolege is power is what the N on the University of Nebraska's helmets stands for.
haha boomers always trying to take credit for everything good
Arizona Lottery Commission sales statistics . . July-December 2016
Scratchers 71.3%
Total Draw Games 27.8% . . Powerball 13.1% . . Mega Millions 5.8%
I don't know if I still have that book haymaker, "Extraordinary popular delusions and madness of crowds", by Charles Mackay but I've read that book and it's definitely a fun read.
Guilty as charged I guess, but it's still gambling and you're making it sound like the every draw players are owed something. Never had a clerk ask how much i contributed in past drawings or even if I played that particular game often.
As for why millennials don't regularly play lottery games, It's probably for several of the reasons listed. And when read where one of them wins a major jackpot, you'll say "those folks are the worst" too.
Seriously, do you really expect to win a PB or MM jackpot?
Not to be mean. Every parent is different. But this happened to me. If your kid turns 18, and they are not enrolled in college, a parent has every right legally when they turn 18 to kick them out of the house. If they're enrolled in college, then I believe a parent can not kick them out until they turn 21.
Only polar bears hold onto their young as long as people do.
Would seem to me that if I were a millennial visiting this site, then I would respond with snarkiness to this comment, and be justified in doing so. It's making an insulting generalization to a group of people who definitely haven't thrown the first punch in this fight. I know a lot of responsible, level headed millennials just as I know a lot of lazy, good for nothing, judgemental people in my generation and those before. It also seems to me that when it comes to forming an opinion on anything, it's the older generation that stubbornly and rabidly hang on to their views of right, wrong, politics, religion and what they view as societal norms. And they don't budge. God knows there's plenty of evidence of it on LP, and my how the insults and attacks rain down on those who deviate from the populous. As I expect will happen to me on this comment. It's funny really, how those who bash millennials for being stubborn and afraid of change are usually the ones guilty of the exact same thing. As a minority in every sense of the word, I know from my own personal experience and friends of mine in the same boat that it's been the millennials who've been a lot more inclusive and accepting of me. They aren't afraid of my different POVs. They don't care if I date someone outside my skin tone, culture or religion. The same can't be said of other generations.
Are they really? But aren't the lotteries benefiting their constituents and paying for services that would ordinarily have to either be cut or taxed for? It's one thing to be anti-lottery if the state doesn't already have the lottery system in place, quite another to be anti-lottery when it's already established and people are benefiting from it.
They'd probably see an increase in revenue if they went online, and not just because of millennials, but because it would be more convenient for all players. Convenience = increased sales = increase in revenue (even with the additional costs involved in getting in set up) = increased funding for community services. Only downside I see is that it will make it easier for people to spend more than they should on tickets, but we can't police everybody just because a few will develop gambling addictions.
Yes, many still depend on mom and dad because not only are more going to college, the cost of a college education is a whole lot more than it used to be. And when you have more people entering into the work place with 4 year degrees than every before, it becomes more important to go for a master's or some kind of professional license to ensure a higher pay scale and job security. Because you'd be surprised how many admin (secretarial) positions paying jack squat require you to have a bachelor's degree before you will even be considered for an interview.
I was searching Careerbuilder the other day and came across a posting for a receptionist paying $15/hr, 4 year business degree required, and you had to have your own transportation. So right off the bat, in order to nab a $15 an hour job, you're going to be about $500/month in the hole with Sallie Mae and car payments, just for the opportunity to be a receptionist.
Imagine having thousands of dollars in student loans and these are what your options look like upon graduation. So unless flipping burgers is a calling, higher education is more essential than ever before. And with that comes more debt than ever before. More debt at such an early age means increased reliance on parents.
Maybe, just maybe, the situation is bigger than liberalism, laziness or entitlement. Maybe, just maybe, there might be other factors in play which don't require this level of condescension.
Wasn't so long ago that women lived with their parents until they got married, and when liberalism changed that, a lot of people had a lot of derogatory comments to make about it then too. Circumstances bring changes to each subsequent generation. I was taught that no lady went anywhere without a handkerchief in her handbag. Times change. Badmouthing them because they're doing things differently than you did isn't the answer.
I too find myself lecturing them in the "when I was your age" spiel, but for the most part, I recognize that how I did things when I was their age wouldn't work in today's world. My aunt and mother still think that simply going online will give a pedophile access to their grandchildren's photographs all because of an episode of Dateline. The way they view technology wouldn't work in my world and life's way too short to keep trying to explain to them why. So I simply nod and let them keep their views while I carry on with my generation's way of doing things, much in the same way I expect Millennials are doing to us.
Goes to an old saying that a farmer once said to a philosopher, when asked if he didn't care whether his son went to college and if it mattered to him whether or not his son got and education and gained higher intelligence , farmer replied I don't care what he thinks he know I know he doesn't know how to (paraphrasing) drive a tractor or plow a field, etc..To me that's stupid.
I read this for a second somewhere for another reason, so I am paraphrasing as best I can, but the story stood out to me because there's two sides.
There is no such legal right after 18. A parent can kick a child out even if enrolled in college.
I am from New York. I don't know where you're speaking of or living in, but it says New York right under my name. NY law states that a child is not fully emancipated until the age of 21. That is pretty clear to me as a responsible level headed thinking adult. You are wrong. Period. And not that it's worth my time to even think of telling you neither.
Google it. The age of majority in NY is 18. Try doing some basic research. In fact, a NY appellate court ruled in 1977 that a college education was not a necessity to be paid by a father.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
You're wrong. You don't know anything about the law. Just whatever is in your head. I don't even know you and you're trying to talk legal with me. For what reason. I don't need a reason to have with you. You're trying to tell me about law and you're telling me to Google it. Wow, basic indeed. Please do not talk to me again. You are just weird. As if. Google makes you an expert. I believe you should look up the word emancipated. Seeing that you should speak French, it shouldn't be so hard for you.
"I didn't say college education I said living in your house. " Que l'enfant over here. Simpleton I swear. Do not talk to me again.
Lets keep in mind that these "millennials" probably don't have any actual money, which is kind of surprising with all that money george soros has paid out to all these protesters.
What a nutcase. Support does not include paying for a college degree vs food and a place to live. You sound kind of jel over my credentials. Working on your GED, c'est vrai? And yes, you can kick them out prior to 21 even if enrolled in college.
That first cmoment that I made right at the end of first paragraph about negativity breeds negativity, that's you. Just trying to prove your right when you're really wrong. But that's alright I don't know you ,but I do know that you don't know what you're talking about, "Artist" 77. You said college education not me. I repeat, does l'enfant need pictures to help?
Lol lol Guess you lost that argument. Most people on LP are capable of doing basic online research. You are so jel. Did you overspend on lottery tickets again? What a spoiled brat attitude. Guess you want mommy and daddy to support you forever.
No. I guess Artist means you know everything. You sound like you're 5 years old. Incapable of listening or looking outside your own imagination. You are a loser. My credentials are solid. I don't dream.
I use cold hard facts and research, not my imagination. Sounds like you have caviar dreams from mommy and daddy.
Bull. I smell it. I see it. You must be it.
Get a job.
You are such a typical confused little lady. I have one and a lot of other things too. I also own an apt. in Manhattan, New York City. I repeat i've been working since i was 15. While my mates were off at Harvard and Princeton. I was working. But that's ok. Who are you? "Oh I'm an Artist". Yeah, ok.
That would be no different than everyone else pumping up the jackpot, and then california comes and takes the jackpot win. Pretty rich for someone in the california "bay area" to be calling out what "folk" are the worst. Vote out these lunatic politicians nancy pelosi & barbara lee, maybe then others will take you seriously.
Actually, as many know, I am an attorney in Washingon, DC. See , when you attempt to act superior, you make a fool of yourself. I suspect you live in an old run down building with no elevator. Sounds like you do not have the comprehension for any degree. And attempting to put one down by calling them a confused little lady shows your hostility towards women. I bet that the NY women fail to even acknowledge you. So funny! You do not even own your own computer.
Yes, they are. (Austin is a liberal city), but the state is conservative. Lawmakers actually voted to abolish the lottery commission a few years ago, then realized how much money was at stake, and reversed their vote. This is why we will never see casinos here.
In Dallas, Reunion arena was a building where the Mavericks and Stars played. When American Airlines Center was built and those two teams moved there to play, there was talk about making Reunion Arena a casino. The end result? Reunion Arena was demolished and it's an empty lot. When I go to Winstar Casino just across the border in Oklahoma, there are more cars with Texas license plates in the parking lot than OK license plates. I'm sure it's the same for casinos in Shreveport LA. Our legislators know it, but they just don't care.
I agree if our lottery went online, it would increase revenue. But....it ain't happening.
And listen pussycat, before you sound more stupid than is even possible. You don't know who my parents are and you don't know if they are alive or dead. So I suggest you try to remember a little French pride if at all possible and watch who the hell you try to talk about. We all can't learn things sitting in front of a computer, but I guess some people still try. I'll jump on the wagon, you must be a millenial.
Omg. You are truly insane. Do you really think I will be intimidated by an uneducated lowlife like you? How was your prison time? Get a job !!!! Mommy and daddy need to kick you out. Come and get me!!!!
Washington D.C. is not New York. And f.y.i. it's well over 6 figures. But like all attorneys you're just trying to sound like you know something. I think you're starting to talk to yourself because you're telling me I'm saying things that I'm not actually saying. Typical.
Actually why would they, that would be disrespectful to the woman that I've been with for the past 22 years and continue to raise 3 kids with. You sound like you don't get any. Hey in NY kindness ain't free, especially if it isn't deserved.
Tell us all again how classy and sophisticated you are!
.Blah blah blah blah. I never said anything about oh I'm so classy and sophisticated etc etc. But that's just like I said before and you're still doing it , saying I said things that I didn't say. Wow, you French. Gotta give it to you. Go back to your coffee and cigarettes. Are those pictures helping you to understand?
Not when I'm right. And this has absolutely nothing to do with rejection. It has to do with the law. Wow, good to see where you're mind is going. And you call yourself Artist. You know, a lot could be said about that.
Another frustrated artist wanna be? Dime a dozen. You are not qualified to address any issue. They need to deport you.
Wow. If that's your best lawyer argument I guess we can see who really won the case. You've basically proven everything I've said with you're own words. While I've stuck to my guns. I thought that was like a lesson in law school. No matter what you believe. I can see that's not the case with you. Ha ha. Sorry no pictures. Take your time.
I guess we have a new troll on lp. Do not accept any pm's from him. He is mentally ill.
Oh it's the person that routinely and obnoxiously makes everything about politics at every turn...why don't you join a politics forum.
Hold on a minute there Kemosabe. It was an opinion and only an opinion.You not seriously suggesting that l should not have one, or are you? In the past you have flaunted your prediction hits,am l and others to assume that you predicting those hits but are NOT playing those games only later to say " darn, l should have? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. That is not a suggestion.
My last comment to you was " you misguided, you interesting..l forgot to add, in a funny way.What on earth does living in the Bay Area and politicians got to do with pumping up the jackpot? By the way it seems pointless at this stage to re educate you on the fact that States do not win jackpots- persons do.Did l mention misguided?
As Ronald Reagan would say " There you go again."
Based on your assumptions about me, as if, I can see that you are filled with nothing but prejudice and bias with no concern for the well being of others. Are all the lawyers in D.C. like you. I may be a bit trollish when someone decides to get into an argument with me and thinks that name calling me like a 5 year old, or shall a say like a cretin, yes I shall call you a cretin, proves their "case" then sure see if I care. Thank you for proving that you are not capable of arguing without acting like a l'enfant. And I'm not here for the pm's cretin,
But people still do me and I am always curteous and gracious to reply.
I think it bothers you that you as a prejudice individual have created this imaginary picture of me and since I don't fit into your, as if, picture you decide to to just call me names and try to put me down, as if. I guess that's the best you can understand as l'enfant. Here's a name for you ,cretin.
English is clearly not your language. lol Tell us again how much more sophisticated you are over everyone and how you own more and make more than everyone else. What a joke. Arriere! I outed you for what you are. A phony.
You're assuming they don't know the difference. I haven't met one yet that didn't know the difference, they just don't agree with that there being any need to have an EC, which is a completely different to them not knowing what it is or why it's in place. Not agreeing with a system is completely different from not understanding a system.
I've never seen an attorney with this much time to argue over the Internet and I am friends with at least a dozen of people who went down that route (I agree on age 18 though).
Well actually I am doing 2 things at once. Most women multi-task well. lol Sounds like women bashing actually but you aren't saying it to the loser bragging about all his money and sophistication. I guess you expect women to be silent.