Florida's biggest Powerball winner sues her own son after winnings squandered

Apr 11, 2019, 4:02 pm (62 comments)

Powerball

Gloria C. Mackenzie became the largest sole lottery winner in U.S. history in mid-2013 when the then 84-year-old took home about $278 million after taxes on a $590 million Powerball ticket she bought at a Zephyrhills Publix supermarket.

Five years later she sued her son Scott Mackenzie, who was her caretaker and the one who had "total control" over millions of dollars in winnings, saying he and his investment manager each lived off the money while poorly investing the proceeds, according to her lawsuit filed by attorney Gregory Anderson.

The 40-page lawsuit, which was revisited in court this week in Jacksonville, demands a judge and jury identify and preserve Gloria Mackenzie's Powerball winnings, saying she suffered damages in excess of $10 million due to negligence, conspiracy to misrepresent and breach of fiduciary duty. It also says her son and his actions were not done in good faith, breaching his legal duties as power of attorney as well as receiving unjust enrichment and exploiting a vulnerable adult.

This deprived his mother of gains she should have earned that would have generated "tens of millions of dollars" after he hired a Jacksonville investment adviser who Anderson said wasn't qualified to handle the account. While those investments "just sat there earning nothing," Anderson said the investor overcharged for his services while the son never checked on any of it.

"You don't have to know anything more than a branch manager at a bank to come back with some significant returns," he said. "At the same time, he [the investment manager] was charging my lady, age 90 and in ill health, $2 million in fees."

It's not clear how much of her winnings she has left.

The initial lawsuit was dismissed Feb. 14, and an amended version was filed March 6. Tuesday in Jacksonville, Judge Virginia Norton heard a 20-page motion to dismiss the amended lawsuit, filed by attorneys Lee Wedekind III and Dell Chappell, representing Scott Mackenzie.

It has not been ruled on yet. But the motion says the lawsuit is solely based on allegations that Scott Mackenzie introduced his mother to an investment adviser who put her in "conservative investment vehicles, in accordance with her chosen investment objectives, and effectively preserved her wealth."

"That Gloria's accounts did not increase in value as much as plaintiffs, in hindsight, would like is not a proper basis for a lawsuit," the motion says. "... Rather than pleading ultimate facts to support their claims, plaintiffs continue to pursue legal theories that are unsupported by the facts they allege."

Wedekind released a statement adding that his client is "deeply disappointed" with his family members' decisions and their motivations in bringing this lawsuit but is equally confident that the truth will prevail.

"Although he strongly disagrees with the allegations that have been made, he will respect his family's privacy by reserving any further comments until the case has been concluded," Wedekind said.

Gloria Mackenzie married Ralph L. Mackenzie in 1951, then they moved to a Zephyrhills trailer park until his 2005 death, living on Social Security, the lawsuit said. On May 18, 2013, things changed when she bought the winning Florida Powerball ticket.

She bought a 6,300-square-foot, five-bedroom home in Glen Kernan Country Club, currently assessed at $1.13 million, according to Duval County property records. The Tampa Bay Times reported the deed to the home was transferred to her daughter and trustee Melinda MacKenzie in June 2013. But Duval County records now show the home listed in her son's name.

Anderson said the mother could have "hired and afforded nannies, nurses and housekeepers," but she wanted family to take care of her. Scott Mackenzie convinced his mother that he had given her half of the $10 she used to buy the ticket and therefore was entitled to half the winnings, the attorney added.

"It is confusing whether he gave her $5 or worked around the house for the $5, or just happened to have it and handed it to her and she handed it to the Lotto ticket dealer," Anderson said. "... Gloria is fairly sharp, but she is 90. She was really concerned about being taken care of and this was an activating factor for her to help her son, because she wanted someone to take care of her."

The mother did give some funds to her other children, Anderson said. But the lawsuit said the son placed half of her winnings in various trusts and entities designed to "foster tax savings and advance Gloria's philanthropic aims," then Anderson said he convinced her that she should "give him half of it." Since he also had power of attorney, which gave him "the authority to conduct investment transactions" on behalf of his mother, he began looking for an investment company.

Scott Mackenzie, an assistant manager at a shoe store at the time, didn't choose a major investment firm. For reasons that "escape virtually everyone who examined this," Anderson said he chose Hank Madden of Madden Advisory Services, who hosts a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio.

The lawsuit says Madden had never handled any account the size of the Mackenzie's. It also says some of Madden's prior clients had complained about him, and he had been fired for "commingling funds by an investment firm that employed him."

"Scott failed to perform the proper due diligence to investigate and understand the person being considered to handle his mother's nine-figure portfolio," according to the lawsuit. "... Having had little money to her name and being a widow well into her 80s, Gloria had no knowledge or experience with which to judge the veracity of the representation or the performance of her son Scott or Madden."

Anderson said Scott Mackenzie transferred millions into Madden's control, a man who "failed to invest the funds in an appropriate mix of investments" and did very little trading. Yet Madden also was charging "outrageous amounts and fees totally untied to any actual performance," Anderson said.

"Scott did not protect his mother, failed to properly discharge his duty to her and instead eventually banished her from the house they shared together because she was no longer able to care for herself," the lawsuit says.

That occurred after Gloria Mackenzie fell and hurt herself, yet wasn't moved to a nursing home, Anderson said.

"She... ends up living with another of her children outside of Jacksonville," Anderson said. "The sad thing is Gloria could buy every assisted-living facility in Jacksonville."

In the end, it took Gloria Mackenzie years to understand that her son and Madden had "poorly served her," the lawsuit says.

If the amended lawsuit is not dismissed, it could be heard before a jury this fall or early 2020, Anderson said.

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Comments

music*'s avatarmusic*

  I am speechless. Shocked but not surprised. 

 Be willing to spend money on the professionals that you will need. Doctors, Nurses, Psychiatrists, Certified Financial Planners, CPAs, Lawyers, and Attorneys, Insurance agents, and other Financial advisers that you might need. 

 Gloria was penny wise but pound foolish. 

 I hope that she is successful in the Court of Law.

 There are other similar cases here on Lottery Post. Children taking advantage of their parent's good fortune. In Texas maybe.

WhoaMama

While not caretaker per se, this almost hits me right at home...........

 

 

And by the way--

 

WHY ARE ALL LOTTERY WINS TRAGIC?

Saylorgirl's avatarSaylorgirl

This is a very sad, sad story!  And with Gloria being 90 years old she may not live long enough for it to be resolved.  She should be living on "easy street" not having to deal with lawsuits.  I would pull the Power of Attorney away from the son immediately.

music*'s avatarmusic*

Quote: Originally posted by Saylorgirl on Apr 11, 2019

This is a very sad, sad story!  And with Gloria being 90 years old she may not live long enough for it to be resolved.  She should be living on "easy street" not having to deal with lawsuits.  I would pull the Power of Attorney away from the son immediately.

I Agree! Pull the Power of Attorney. 

 Any investor who does not have five years to ride through a downturn in the economy should not invest.

 I found the TX story of how children are stealing from their parents. It is, Texas lottery winner battling Alzheimer's as daughter stole $250,000.00  lotterypost.com/news/320759  6/13/2018

 I just read in a reply by an LP Member that Arizona is a Senior Citizen friendly State. They have very strong lobbyists. 

noise-gate

Gloria should have “ known “ her son, obviously she didn’t. Having your arm held on tv after a massive jackpot win, is not always an indication that your wellbeing is truly their children’s concern. At 90 years of age, this is no time to go into battle formation.The Egyptian Pharaohs thought that they could take their wealth into the afterlife, didn’t happen. Make the most of the time you have left Gloria, the stress & added mental burden could come at a cost. It’s not worth it.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Saylorgirl on Apr 11, 2019

This is a very sad, sad story!  And with Gloria being 90 years old she may not live long enough for it to be resolved.  She should be living on "easy street" not having to deal with lawsuits.  I would pull the Power of Attorney away from the son immediately.

Good point. Very easy to tear up a poa if she made it revocable. If the financial expert  lost the money, she may be out of luck unless she can shoe negligence or fraud. It is never too late to try to right a wrong.

Stack47

Scott Mackenzie introduced his mother to an investment adviser who put her in "conservative investment vehicles, in accordance with her chosen investment objectives, and effectively preserved her wealth."

It looks like the type of investment anyone Gloria's age should make. In retrospect had she invested $18 million in the Dow Jones stocks, it would be worth over $26 million today not including dividends. The same $18 million invested in "wrestling stock" (WWE) would be worth $180 million today. If an any investment does poorly, is a financial adviser liable and/or shoe negligence for not recommending stocks that eventually increased 1000% in the last 6 years?

The problem is once a person invests in "conservative investment vehicles" and years later look at what they "could have" made, it's no different than Mindy saying "had I stopped her from cutting in line, how to invest millions would be my problem". Because we don't know all the details, can't really comment on who is right, but it's still terrible any time a parent has to sue their children or vice versa.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by WhoaMama on Apr 11, 2019

While not caretaker per se, this almost hits me right at home...........

 

 

And by the way--

 

WHY ARE ALL LOTTERY WINS TRAGIC?

WHY ARE ALL LOTTERY WINS TRAGIC?

Because they're not. There are plenty of stories in L.P about people doing good things with their winnings, but the first unofficial rule of journalism is "If it bleeds, it leads."

If an editor has room for one more short story on the front page (or a producer of a TV newscast) then which story do you think they'll print/air?  The one about the cop getting bitten in the groin by a dog or one about another cop rescuing an autistic girl's kitty from a tree?  The stories they run are a reflection upon our society, IMO.  We'd rather see/hear about some Hollywood celeb getting arrested for drugs than about another that went over to the ME to entertain the troops.

If you've ever watched The Lottery Changed My Life, then you'll see that the "feel good" stories outnumber the tragic ones.  My favorite one is about James Gatzke, a simple man who won a lottery with the last couple of bucks to his name, took the annuity and last I heard, was living in a motel...because that's what he wanted to do.  We hardly ever see any stories about him and none about how he's doing today, but in the thousands and thousands of "tragic" lottery winner compilations, they always mention David Lee Edwards, an ex-con who spent money hand over fist, got addicted to drugs and died penniless. 

Today's journalism is almost "1984-ish" - "Bad news: good; good news: bad"

Bleudog101

Unfathomable that you'd do this to your own Mother; this is so sad and shocking.

Not mentioned, but wonder if Scott's boyfriend had his hand in this too?  Doesn't matter, a s----y son is what he is and he'll get his.

welington

Here we go again. Lottery winner drama. With all that money  just open 4 accounts in different banks and enjoy the interest.  Investing is great but have to be done right and honestly. A mother Sue's a son is alarming but  I need to hear all sides of this story. Hope she lives to see the outcome of the case.

gr8ter's avatargr8ter

It's so sad that You can't Trust Your own Family.  It's hard to believe that Greed takes over.

I wish her the Best.Sun Smiley

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Bleudog101 on Apr 11, 2019

Unfathomable that you'd do this to your own Mother; this is so sad and shocking.

Not mentioned, but wonder if Scott's boyfriend had his hand in this too?  Doesn't matter, a s----y son is what he is and he'll get his.

The initial lawsuit was dismissed Feb. 14, and an amended version was filed March 6. Tuesday in Jacksonville, Judge Virginia Norton heard a 20-page motion to dismiss the amended lawsuit, filed by attorneys Lee Wedekind III and Dell Chappell, representing Scott Mackenzie.

Did you miss where the Judge hasn't decided whether this amended lawsuit should be dismissed too?

It has not been ruled on yet. But the motion says the lawsuit is solely based on allegations that Scott Mackenzie introduced his mother to an investment adviser who put her in "conservative investment vehicles, in accordance with her chosen investment objectives, and effectively preserved her wealth."

Other than someone convinced Gloria that because her investments aren't doing as well as Scott's there must be something wrong, there is not enough information to form an opinion on whatever happened.

By the way, what exactly did Scott do his mother that is "sad and shocking"?

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

"the then 84-year-old took home about $278 million after taxes"

And then she paid the rest of her taxes the following April. Her actual after-tax net was likely around $225 million.

"saying she suffered damages in excess of $10 million due to negligence, conspiracy to misrepresent and breach of fiduciary duty."

Oh, the horror.  Too bad if it's true, but not quite as bad is it sounds from the headline about her winnings being squandered.

"what exactly did Scott do his mother that is "sad and shocking"?"

Good question. This story has plenty of allegations from an attorney who stands to collect a fat fee himself if he's successful, but not much in the way of things that we know to be true. With as much money as she had she could have handled the risk of investing in things that weren't conservative, but she could also have put the money in a safety deposit box and never come close to spending it all.

Maybe somewhere down the road we'll have a reasonable idea of what happened and who's side is closer to the truth, but right now this is a lot like the Canadian guys claiming they owned shares of their coworker's winning ticket. Nobody here has seen any proof, but but most people are sure they know who did somebody wrong.

noise-gate

l reread this story and got to ask myself, is it just me, or is Gloria's attorney insinuating that Mackenzie weaseled his way into the jackpot sharing deal, that he never won, to begin with? Sure sounds as though her other children are putting her up to this, this going after the son. The other thing is, Gloria, can afford extraordinary care at a first Class care home, free from the influences of these children, why doesn't she get away, what's holding her back? This story is making Gloria out to be one of those rich folk who eats food out of cans while having millions of dollars in mattress money stored away.

TheMeatman2005's avatarTheMeatman2005

Money doesn't change people, it only magnifies who & what they were before becoming wealthy.

He was probably like this to his mother before she won the money.

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

Quote: Originally posted by TheMeatman2005 on Apr 12, 2019

Money doesn't change people, it only magnifies who & what they were before becoming wealthy.

He was probably like this to his mother before she won the money.

I agree.Yes Nod 

reddog's avatarreddog

Quote: Originally posted by gr8ter on Apr 11, 2019

It's so sad that You can't Trust Your own Family.  It's hard to believe that Greed takes over.

I wish her the Best.Sun Smiley

Shoot, my wife and found out the hard way years ago when it comes to family they are the worst kind when lending money too.

TheGameGrl's avatarTheGameGrl

The family member is being called to the carpet on their financial fudiciary duties. It's standard to ask the courts to make a ruling to assist on getting this adult removed from legal rights to the funds. 

 

Her age plays a huge factor in this case. She is protected by further senior laws on financial guardians. 

The part I'm afraid of...is its Florida where the rulings are often in favor of the

criminal. So the son will be free to exploit...

I recall how she won the pb,when a younger person let her be ahead in line.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Gloria at age 84, supposedly cut in line in front of Mrs Mindy Crandall to purchase her winning ticket according to media reports.

"Mrs Crandall says she believes she is the woman Mrs Mackenzie was talking about when she revealed in her public statement: 'While in line at Publix, another lottery player was kind enough to let me go ahead of them in line to purchase the winning Quick Pick ticket.' Mrs Crandall, who lives in Zephyhills - the same small city where Mrs Mackenzie retired, told ABC News that she still remembers the elderly woman who stepped in front of her while she was waiting in line to buy her Powerball tickets last month. Mrs Crandall says she was tending to her children at the time and didn't notice that someone had cut the line. 'My 10-year-old said, "Mom, There's a lady in front of us." I noticed that the lady was there. Didn't pay a lot of mind to it,' she told ABC. When Mrs Mackenzie made it to the register, the clerk motioned for Mrs Crandall to come forward instead. Mrs Crandall waited. 'Go ahead,' she told the elderly Mrs Mackenzie."

Karma can & does rear it's ugly head sometimes

sweetie7398's avatarsweetie7398

Quote: Originally posted by TheMeatman2005 on Apr 12, 2019

Money doesn't change people, it only magnifies who & what they were before becoming wealthy.

He was probably like this to his mother before she won the money.

I Agree!

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by CDanaT on Apr 12, 2019

Gloria at age 84, supposedly cut in line in front of Mrs Mindy Crandall to purchase her winning ticket according to media reports.

"Mrs Crandall says she believes she is the woman Mrs Mackenzie was talking about when she revealed in her public statement: 'While in line at Publix, another lottery player was kind enough to let me go ahead of them in line to purchase the winning Quick Pick ticket.' Mrs Crandall, who lives in Zephyhills - the same small city where Mrs Mackenzie retired, told ABC News that she still remembers the elderly woman who stepped in front of her while she was waiting in line to buy her Powerball tickets last month. Mrs Crandall says she was tending to her children at the time and didn't notice that someone had cut the line. 'My 10-year-old said, "Mom, There's a lady in front of us." I noticed that the lady was there. Didn't pay a lot of mind to it,' she told ABC. When Mrs Mackenzie made it to the register, the clerk motioned for Mrs Crandall to come forward instead. Mrs Crandall waited. 'Go ahead,' she told the elderly Mrs Mackenzie."

Karma can & does rear it's ugly head sometimes

Funny you should bring that up CD. I recall when Mindy's story hit the headlines, there were some who suggested that the winning ticket was destined to be hers. Other here were saying that it was highly unlikely given that millions of QP combinations are spewed out in nano seconds, and had she turned her head or looked down, that " moment " had passed beyond her reach. Then we had those who felt Gloria should have given Mindy a few millions, just because.Karma, perhaps- more like greed, depending on how you look at it.

music*'s avatarmusic*

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 12, 2019

Funny you should bring that up CD. I recall when Mindy's story hit the headlines, there were some who suggested that the winning ticket was destined to be hers. Other here were saying that it was highly unlikely given that millions of QP combinations are spewed out in nano seconds, and had she turned her head or looked down, that " moment " had passed beyond her reach. Then we had those who felt Gloria should have given Mindy a few millions, just because.Karma, perhaps- more like greed, depending on how you look at it.

I would first contact my lawyer then reward the Crandall family for their kindness. 

 I enjoy the show American Greed. Greed is behind the son's actions. Crying It is family and friends who will be JERKS. Jealous, Envious, Resentful, Killjoys.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by music* on Apr 12, 2019

I would first contact my lawyer then reward the Crandall family for their kindness. 

 I enjoy the show American Greed. Greed is behind the son's actions. Crying It is family and friends who will be JERKS. Jealous, Envious, Resentful, Killjoys.

Really Music? Don’t take this the wrong way, but l have seen some of your posts where you openly state you want One jackpot winner- namely yourself, and splitting the jackpot is out of the question. Yet you will instruct your attorney to do right by Mindy? I think l am going to have a aneurism.

On a side note: Have you ever left the theater with a more satisfying ending to a movie than “ Shawshank Redemption ?” 

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by music* on Apr 12, 2019

I would first contact my lawyer then reward the Crandall family for their kindness. 

 I enjoy the show American Greed. Greed is behind the son's actions. Crying It is family and friends who will be JERKS. Jealous, Envious, Resentful, Killjoys.

Some of the comments on these news stories are really getting weird and makes me wonder if people actually read the story before commenting. The article actually explains the lawsuit is based on Gloria asking for a conservative investment, but apparently  someone convinced her because she could have made $10 million more, it was her son's fault. And before putting all the blame on Scott, Gloria won the jackpot 6 years ago and if she hasn't given Mindy something by now, she never will. 

If there is any greed, it's from whomever convinced Gloria to sue Scott. You really ought to wait until the judge decides whether or not to let the case proceed before passing judgement.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 12, 2019

Really Music? Don’t take this the wrong way, but l have seen some of your posts where you openly state you want One jackpot winner- namely yourself, and splitting the jackpot is out of the question. Yet you will instruct your attorney to do right by Mindy? I think l am going to have a aneurism.

On a side note: Have you ever left the theater with a more satisfying ending to a movie than “ Shawshank Redemption ?” 

*People stood up and cheered after the Walking Tall ending.

TheGameGrl's avatarTheGameGrl

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 12, 2019

Some of the comments on these news stories are really getting weird and makes me wonder if people actually read the story before commenting. The article actually explains the lawsuit is based on Gloria asking for a conservative investment, but apparently  someone convinced her because she could have made $10 million more, it was her son's fault. And before putting all the blame on Scott, Gloria won the jackpot 6 years ago and if she hasn't given Mindy something by now, she never will. 

If there is any greed, it's from whomever convinced Gloria to sue Scott. You really ought to wait until the judge decides whether or not to let the case proceed before passing judgement.

In response to your last paragraph.I disagree. In order to build a case for further claims the lady has to take one malfeasance at a time. Her lawyer knows more about how to handle this then a lottery poster. I tend to think the son will be removed from his executor position. And rightly so. He took an oath when it was granted. That oath is what this comes down to.

One-Day

THAT'S what happens when one violates the laws of nature.  Nature doesn't care about morals, good, bad, whether you are a pedophile, a murderer, Mother Theresa, elderly, stiupid, smart, or a child to move on you.  All she cares about is that you follow her laws.  A pedophile can win the lottery (Florida) and a murderer can live a free life not caught, if they follow the laws of nature.   People go to great lengths to avoid thinking.  Unfortunately this is an old lady we are talking about here and nature won't forgive her.  You don't do business with family.  She is lucky to have any money left.

music*'s avatarmusic*

noise-gate, I will share my jackpot with family, friends, and charity. I do not like sharing a jackpot with strangers. 

 My comment was that I would like to see Gloria and her attorney share some with Mindy. 

 Gloria needs to pay for wise counsel. You usually get what you pay for.👩‍⚖️

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

music*

On one of TLCs lottery programs there was a winner from St Louis that said when you win a jackpot family regards you as their own personal ATM. 

Caution.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by TheGameGrl on Apr 12, 2019

In response to your last paragraph.I disagree. In order to build a case for further claims the lady has to take one malfeasance at a time. Her lawyer knows more about how to handle this then a lottery poster. I tend to think the son will be removed from his executor position. And rightly so. He took an oath when it was granted. That oath is what this comes down to.

Music said "Greed is behind the son's actions." and I responded to that pointing out what Music failed to read.

"Her lawyer knows more about how to handle this then a lottery poster."

And her lawyer knows "The initial lawsuit was dismissed Feb. 14," Did you read what Scott's lawyer said?

"Itend to think the son will be removed from his executor position. And rightly so. "

First you said "her lawyer knows more than a lottery poster" and now as a lottery poster you're lecturing me by giving a legal opinion?

Did you miss where I said "Because we don't know all the details, can't really comment on who is right," or are you saying you know all the details?

According to Scott's lawyer:

""Scott Mackenzie introduced his mother to an investment adviser who put her in "conservative investment vehicles, in accordance with her chosen investment objectives, and effectively preserved her wealth."

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Apr 12, 2019

"the then 84-year-old took home about $278 million after taxes"

And then she paid the rest of her taxes the following April. Her actual after-tax net was likely around $225 million.

"saying she suffered damages in excess of $10 million due to negligence, conspiracy to misrepresent and breach of fiduciary duty."

Oh, the horror.  Too bad if it's true, but not quite as bad is it sounds from the headline about her winnings being squandered.

"what exactly did Scott do his mother that is "sad and shocking"?"

Good question. This story has plenty of allegations from an attorney who stands to collect a fat fee himself if he's successful, but not much in the way of things that we know to be true. With as much money as she had she could have handled the risk of investing in things that weren't conservative, but she could also have put the money in a safety deposit box and never come close to spending it all.

Maybe somewhere down the road we'll have a reasonable idea of what happened and who's side is closer to the truth, but right now this is a lot like the Canadian guys claiming they owned shares of their coworker's winning ticket. Nobody here has seen any proof, but but most people are sure they know who did somebody wrong.

"Maybe somewhere down the road we'll have a reasonable idea of what happened and who's side is closer to the truth,"

All Gloria's lawyer has to do is prove to a jury Scott should have ignored "her chosen investment objectives" and invested her money more aggressively.

"Nobody here has seen any proof, but but most people are sure they know who did somebody wrong."

That seems to be par for the course when discussing lottery stories.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Apr 12, 2019

music*

On one of TLCs lottery programs there was a winner from St Louis that said when you win a jackpot family regards you as their own personal ATM. 

Caution.

l have the sneaky suspicion that the guy who bought a steak house with a house on a hill overlooking the Valley in So Cal, went through the same thing. Family dipping into his treasure, figured out,enough is enough. The Beatles were wrong with " All you need is love."

They say " Love can bring people together, but money can tear them apart."

American Indian's avatarAmerican Indian

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 12, 2019

"Maybe somewhere down the road we'll have a reasonable idea of what happened and who's side is closer to the truth,"

All Gloria's lawyer has to do is prove to a jury Scott should have ignored "her chosen investment objectives" and invested her money more aggressively.

"Nobody here has seen any proof, but but most people are sure they know who did somebody wrong."

That seems to be par for the course when discussing lottery stories.

STACK, STACK, STACK

Par for the course IS that You THINK you are the Resident EXPERT on ALL things Lottery Same with KY FLOYD!

Both of you continuously COMMENT on Most everything anyone says on here.

As for what BD said about this son getting his, as USUAL YOU MISSED the POINT! He was Talking about When He Faces the after life, wherever this "son" may end up, When he's dead & gone, Buried six feet under or whatever is decided to do with his Body.. Clear ENOUGH For YOU???

You Comment on everything like You KNOW the entire situation! Do YOU???

music*'s avatarmusic*

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Apr 12, 2019

music*

On one of TLCs lottery programs there was a winner from St Louis that said when you win a jackpot family regards you as their own personal ATM. 

Caution.

Thank You Coin Toss for the caution. I live 2 or 3 hours away from family. That should help me with family requests. I will also inform them that I am only allowed to gift any one $15,000.00 gift tax free per year. 

 As an elderly winner in the Midwest cautioned us, "Family and friends are your worst enemies. They even declared bankruptcy when asked to pay back loans. Charity is the way."

 The simple two letter word, NO will come in handy. 

Artist77's avatarArtist77

A judge will not substitute his/ her decision on whether the money should have been invested more or less aggressively. If the investment is deemed reasonable (even if it is very conservative)  and lacking fraud or negligence, Gloria loses.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by American Indian on Apr 13, 2019

STACK, STACK, STACK

Par for the course IS that You THINK you are the Resident EXPERT on ALL things Lottery Same with KY FLOYD!

Both of you continuously COMMENT on Most everything anyone says on here.

As for what BD said about this son getting his, as USUAL YOU MISSED the POINT! He was Talking about When He Faces the after life, wherever this "son" may end up, When he's dead & gone, Buried six feet under or whatever is decided to do with his Body.. Clear ENOUGH For YOU???

You Comment on everything like You KNOW the entire situation! Do YOU???

Uh oh.  Just my opinion, but you may very well have bitten off more than you can chew. 

Whatever, I'm going to subscribe to this thread in my reader so I don't miss anything. Lurking

I'm a big fan of inexpensive and amusing entertainment; political rallies, Pentecostal tent revivals and certain threads here in Lottery Post.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Apr 13, 2019

Uh oh.  Just my opinion, but you may very well have bitten off more than you can chew. 

Whatever, I'm going to subscribe to this thread in my reader so I don't miss anything. Lurking

I'm a big fan of inexpensive and amusing entertainment; political rallies, Pentecostal tent revivals and certain threads here in Lottery Post.

Type lol

noise-gate

Oh American Indian. 

Afterlife, six feet under, where he may end up?

Scott shows up at the Pearly Gates:

St Peter asks " Name?

Scott Mackenzie.

St Peter: Sorry, cant get in here!

Scott: Why not, my Mom is here.

St Peter: Bad investments Scott.

Scott: wait a min, is that Bernie Sanders over there? How come he gets in, that guy cost Hillary the election with all he's socialist nonsense.

St Peter: Yeah we know, but he makes great sandwiches..

music*'s avatarmusic*

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 13, 2019

Oh American Indian. 

Afterlife, six feet under, where he may end up?

Scott shows up at the Pearly Gates:

St Peter asks " Name?

Scott Mackenzie.

St Peter: Sorry, cant get in here!

Scott: Why not, my Mom is here.

St Peter: Bad investments Scott.

Scott: wait a min, is that Bernie Sanders over there? How come he gets in, that guy cost Hillary the election with all he's socialist nonsense.

St Peter: Yeah we know, but he makes great sandwiches..

noise-gate, Do not deny the Power of God. God Bless.

 We have some very good posts here on this thread. Thanks everyone. 

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by music* on Apr 13, 2019

noise-gate, Do not deny the Power of God. God Bless.

 We have some very good posts here on this thread. Thanks everyone. 

What we dealing with here Music, is the absurdity of talking about the " afterlife " This has nothing to do with the Power of God. No one has gone to the so called " other side " and returned  to tell what was or is there. Our first Parents returned to the dust of the ground. Lazarus did not report back after being resurrected that he was in heaven for 4 days. I am merely finding the humor in American Indian's post. 

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by on Mar 29, 2024

Yep, but I think I just cracked a molar on an "old maid". (an un-popped kernel, not referring to anyone specifically in this thread)

Ever had leftover popcorn for breakfast the next day after a marathon movie session the night before?  It's pretty good w/ a little milk and sugar.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by on Mar 29, 2024

l take no delight in showing people up, and can weather criticism. What l hate are lies, especially when my Grandparents are thrown into the mix. 

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Lurking  He will rant all day now.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Apr 13, 2019

Yep, but I think I just cracked a molar on an "old maid". (an un-popped kernel, not referring to anyone specifically in this thread)

Ever had leftover popcorn for breakfast the next day after a marathon movie session the night before?  It's pretty good w/ a little milk and sugar.

Can't say that I have done that breakfast activity before or even heard of it. Old maid..lol, perfect

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by CDanaT on Apr 13, 2019

Can't say that I have done that breakfast activity before or even heard of it. Old maid..lol, perfect

I'm an old crotchety tightwad bachelor;  leftover pizza or even meat loaf makes for a nice, convenient breakfast.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

"The article actually explains the lawsuit is based on Gloria asking for a conservative investment"

It's the defendant's lawyer's motion to dismiss that claims that the lawsuit is based on the son introducing her to an advisor who simply did what she wanted. It's a fairly safe assumption that the lawsuit is based on somebody thinking the son and advisor aren't acting in Gloria's interest and doing as good a job as they're capable of, but all we should be really certain of is that the two sides have a disagreement and are asking the court to resolve it.

"You Comment on everything like You KNOW the entire situation! Do YOU???"

If you go back and reread what's been posted you'll find that Stack is one of very few people who have specifically said that they don't know the entire situation. You should also recognize that other posters are offering opinions as if they do know the entire situation and that Gloria's attorney's claims are accurate. You know that after a lawyer files a lawsuit and makes a bunch of claims there still has to be a trial and the ruling is then based on the jury's opinion about the truth after hearing what both sides have to say, right?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by American Indian on Apr 13, 2019

STACK, STACK, STACK

Par for the course IS that You THINK you are the Resident EXPERT on ALL things Lottery Same with KY FLOYD!

Both of you continuously COMMENT on Most everything anyone says on here.

As for what BD said about this son getting his, as USUAL YOU MISSED the POINT! He was Talking about When He Faces the after life, wherever this "son" may end up, When he's dead & gone, Buried six feet under or whatever is decided to do with his Body.. Clear ENOUGH For YOU???

You Comment on everything like You KNOW the entire situation! Do YOU???

"Par for the course IS that You THINK you are the Resident EXPERT on ALL things Lottery Same with KY FLOYD!"

Yep it's a fact I know quite a lot about lottery games and gambling in general. Last week I read that "Lottery Post (www.lotterypost.com), which has grown over the years to become the world's largest online community of lottery players" and I'm pretty sure anyone part fo the community for 13 years knows a thing or two about lottery games. I know quite a bit about when other posters misquote me and other posters or take what we say out of context too; just like you're trying to do..

Take a look at the comment by Floyd that I replied to:

"Maybe somewhere down the road we'll have a reasonable idea of what happened and who's side is closer to the truth, but right now this is a lot like the Canadian guys claiming they owned shares of their coworker's winning ticket. Nobody here has seen any proof, but but most people are sure they know who did somebody wrong."

It doesn't make me or anyone else an expert to understand the article is about an amendment to a lawsuit that was dismissed on February 14, 2019 and until a judge makes a ruling, it's nothing more than an allegation. Our "resident legal expert" addressed that.

I even highlighted the portion of Floyd's comments I was addressing "Nobody here has seen any proof, but but most people are sure they know who did somebody wrong." "That seems to be par for the course when discussing lottery stories." Was I being too clever for you by making a reference to the Masters?

"As for what BD said about this son getting his, as USUAL YOU MISSED the POINT!"

Let's quote what BD (bleudog101?) said: "Unfathomable that you'd do this to your own Mother; this is so sad and shocking." So I asked what exactly did Scott do his mother that is "sad and shocking"? And never got an answer. Why would I even ask that question if I understood whatever point he was trying to make.

"He Faces the after life, wherever this "son" may end up, When he's dead & gone, Buried six feet under or whatever is decided to do with his Body.."

Again, here is what the comment on the post I replied to actually said: "Not mentioned, but wonder if Scott's boyfriend had his hand in this too?  Doesn't matter, a s----y son is what he is and he'll get his." Is it that difficult to understand they made the "and he'll get his" comment based on something even the poster acknowledged was "not mentioned"?. 

I had no idea "boyfriend and he'll get his" that was "not mentioned" was part of this lawsuit much less a "POINT" someone was trying to make. 

"You Comment on everything like You KNOW the entire situation!"

How does making 0.14% of all the post translate into "comment on everything"? 

Are you saying I should ignore where below the article it says "Post a comment" because it really means something else?

"Clear ENOUGH For YOU???"

Basically you're saying you don't like some most all of my comments. Is if you don't like my comments, ignore me "clear ENOUGH For YOU"?

 

 

FYI: the comments highlighted in blue are American Indian's and those in yellow are some of the comments made by Floyd and Bleudog101 that I commented on.

Stack47

Scott Mackenzie, an assistant manager at a shoe store at the time, didn't choose a major investment firm. For reasons that "escape virtually everyone who examined this," Anderson said he chose Hank Madden of Madden Advisory Services, who hosts a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio.

Is it just me or is it really easy to see why Scott who probably had no clue how to invest, hired the host of "a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio"?

MsBee18

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 13, 2019

Scott Mackenzie, an assistant manager at a shoe store at the time, didn't choose a major investment firm. For reasons that "escape virtually everyone who examined this," Anderson said he chose Hank Madden of Madden Advisory Services, who hosts a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio.

Is it just me or is it really easy to see why Scott who probably had no clue how to invest, hired the host of "a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio"?

I live here in Jacksonville where the investment firm operates. I went to their website. Madden Advisory appears legitimate or qualified to me. Harry G. "Hank Madden, CFP® is the co-founder of the company.  Everyone doesn't want a Merrill Lynch or Charles Schwab to handle their investments.

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 13, 2019

Scott Mackenzie, an assistant manager at a shoe store at the time, didn't choose a major investment firm. For reasons that "escape virtually everyone who examined this," Anderson said he chose Hank Madden of Madden Advisory Services, who hosts a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio.

Is it just me or is it really easy to see why Scott who probably had no clue how to invest, hired the host of "a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio"?

... No it is not just you & it is easy to see why Scott had no clue how to invest, what is easy to see is Psalms 58:3.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by MsBee18 on Apr 13, 2019

I live here in Jacksonville where the investment firm operates. I went to their website. Madden Advisory appears legitimate or qualified to me. Harry G. "Hank Madden, CFP® is the co-founder of the company.  Everyone doesn't want a Merrill Lynch or Charles Schwab to handle their investments.

I Agree! 

One of Lexington, KY radio stations has a similar financial advice call in show. Every time there is a jackpot winner we get to read what the winner should do with their winnings and while I agree getting a financial adviser is a wise thing to do, the average person has no idea which of the thousand of firms they should hire.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 14, 2019

... No it is not just you & it is easy to see why Scott had no clue how to invest, what is easy to see is Psalms 58:3.

I took Scott McKenzie's advice when I got on a plane at Tan Son Nhut Air Base!

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 14, 2019

I took Scott McKenzie's advice when I got on a plane at Tan Son Nhut Air Base!

l swear that Benny Hinn raided Scot's wardrobe from that opening scene minus the cloak, and what's with that Game of thrones  look at 0.15. The 60's look was way ahead of it's time.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Apr 13, 2019

Yep, but I think I just cracked a molar on an "old maid". (an un-popped kernel, not referring to anyone specifically in this thread)

Ever had leftover popcorn for breakfast the next day after a marathon movie session the night before?  It's pretty good w/ a little milk and sugar.

If I run out of avocado toast I know what I can turn to. Thanks Mike.Lovies

A touchofESP

By her age she should of known most pple in the world are takers esp.family the son no dubt in my mind I would bet my life been sumbaging his mother since day one she should of had everything at her beck&call invested half her money bs.making sure it's his and hidding it.thats all right I know 100 perc.theres a hell and screwing u're mother out of money and not at least making her last yrs.great is the quickest way there.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Apr 14, 2019

If I run out of avocado toast I know what I can turn to. Thanks Mike.Lovies

At least we're too old to be picked for The Hunger Games.

music*'s avatarmusic*

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 14, 2019

I Agree! 

One of Lexington, KY radio stations has a similar financial advice call in show. Every time there is a jackpot winner we get to read what the winner should do with their winnings and while I agree getting a financial adviser is a wise thing to do, the average person has no idea which of the thousand of firms they should hire.

I Agree!  with you Stack47.  Depending on the size of the jackpot I would start with CDARS.com  This will give a winner time to find the best financial adviser that suits him or her. 

lorafinch115

Isn’t this the same elderly woman who rudely cut the line in front of another younger woman & didn’t even apologize? KARMA...don’t wish anything bad on anyone but you can’t do wrong in this life & expect right back!

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

lorafinch115

This one's for you

 

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Apr 17, 2019

lorafinch115

This one's for you

 

Thumbs Upnice shot thar CT 

ckrakowski

''The initial lawsuit was dismissed Feb. 14''

 

This judge should be ashamed and they need to be investigated to see if they got any ''donations'' from the son.

 

''The Tampa Bay Times reported the deed to the home was transferred to her daughter and trustee Melinda MacKenzie in June 2013. But Duval County records now show the home listed in her son's name.''

 

I wonder how much he gave the sister to get the house or did he just con her out of it. 

 

''Anderson said he chose Hank Madden of Madden Advisory Services, who hosts a local call-in Saturday morning financial advice show on the radio.''

 

If you can not trust your local radio all in financial expert who can you trust. LOL

ckrakowski

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Apr 12, 2019

l reread this story and got to ask myself, is it just me, or is Gloria's attorney insinuating that Mackenzie weaseled his way into the jackpot sharing deal, that he never won, to begin with? Sure sounds as though her other children are putting her up to this, this going after the son. The other thing is, Gloria, can afford extraordinary care at a first Class care home, free from the influences of these children, why doesn't she get away, what's holding her back? This story is making Gloria out to be one of those rich folk who eats food out of cans while having millions of dollars in mattress money stored away.

Here is the weaseling of the son.

 

"Scott Mackenzie convinced his mother that he had given her half of the $10 she used to buy the ticket and therefore was entitled to half the winnings, the attorney added.

"It is confusing whether he gave her $5 or worked around the house for the $5, or just happened to have it and handed it to her and she handed it to the Lotto ticket dealer,"''

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