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Posted: November 18, 2004, 10:41 am - IP Logged

On Nov 16th the Indiana Evening pic 4 winning numbers were 5892. There were no straight winners nor any straight combo winners that day. The following evening in South Carolina (11/17) the same combination of numbers hit (2589). South Carolina had 17 straight winners! Thats a pretty good payout seeing how South Carolina has 2 million less people than Indiana. Any comments?

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    Posted: November 18, 2004, 11:06 am - IP Logged

    Jeff that's a hard question to answer but I'll give it my best shot. It looks like both states had the numbers in their history workouts. Apparently more people picked up on it in Carolina. It is also possible that one person could have bought more than one ticket. When the say they sold 17 straight winners we don't know if it was 17 separate people or 2 or 3 people who might have bought more than one ticket.

    As for Indiana who knows apparently no body picked up on it in a workout. Or it might not be a popular number there. Indiana had more 5-7-8-and nines in their workout history.

    And you have to remember their are 1 in 10,000 possible choices for a number to pick and every number isn't going to be played every day in one state.

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      Posted: November 18, 2004, 2:10 pm - IP Logged

      indiana never has any winners in the pick 4 is what jeff is trying to say,on average everyday nobody ever wins in indiana and  the payouts on that are a measly 5 or 6 thousand.....i would bet the farm,the house and everything i own that indiana lottery is more corrupt than the mafia......................

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        Posted: November 18, 2004, 2:28 pm - IP Logged

        Ive seen success by playing indiana from the "outside" with traveling numbers

        But i cant comment on whether its rigged or not, but you say $5,000 or so a day?

        Then either its rigged or no one plays thats 1 straight winner or like 50 boxes

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          Posted: November 18, 2004, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

          Does anybody play the Indiana pick4 game?  To have winners, a game must have players, even a corrupt game.  The winners may be corrupt, but they are still winners.

          RJOh

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            Posted: November 18, 2004, 2:40 pm - IP Logged

            RJOh: Or, corruption can lead to zero winners, if the state was trying to keep ALL the money (no payouts).

            LosingJeff, you made a really good point, and I think it's a great comparison with the SC Lottery.  This is very odd indeed.

             

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              Posted: November 18, 2004, 3:01 pm - IP Logged

              I just checked Indiana's website and it looks like in the last 6 days or so the haven't had more than 1 pick 4 straight winner in the daily pick 4 drawings on any given day. So without knowing the number of people who actually are playing the pick 4 drawing I can't make an accurate assumption. My only guess would be people aren't playing a lot of pick 4's. From looking at their number history I would imagine it's not that hard to pick a winner unless they are deselecting vast quantifies of played numbers and paying out some sort of fixed percentage.

              I looked at my prediction stats for Indiana and I'm not doing so hot with my picks there either. A couple boxed 4's is all.

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                Posted: November 18, 2004, 3:15 pm - IP Logged

                We should have alot of players---its been around for 15 years! If no one is playing why is the Lottery spending 10 million a year on advertising.  How do officials keep their jobs if no one is playing? Shouldnt they being doing something about it? I have enough losing tickets to stuff everyone's turkeys on Thanksgiving. Never a win. I am off by one on the pick 4 every other day, yet no wins. If people arent playing then they are probably bankrupt----we lead the nation in bankruptcies and foreclosure! 

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                  Posted: November 18, 2004, 3:15 pm - IP Logged

                  Thanks again Todd and LottoMike for the support!

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                    Posted: November 18, 2004, 3:28 pm - IP Logged

                    Indiana is probably corrupt, if people are playing, from your description

                    Nice find

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                      Posted: November 18, 2004, 3:56 pm - IP Logged

                      As of today 11/17/04, in Florida 186,024 winners paying out $84,744,577.00. I have'nt won my fair share yet.

                      Carbob 

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                        Posted: November 18, 2004, 4:04 pm - IP Logged

                        Todd,
                        I can't envision any state having a scheme to not pay out any prize money because someone who would talk.  I was thinking of the kind of corruption  revealed recently in the scam of the lottery worker and his two buddies buying the million dollars scratch-off ticket.

                        The other day while I was buying my lottery tickets, another lottery player remarked that he had bought a box/straight pick3 ticket everyday for the last 3 months and hadn't won anything and the pick3 game had to be a scam.  I reminded him that that was only about 100 tickets and while that might sound like a lot of chances, the odds of a box hit was 1:200 and a straight hit was 1:000 and he could buy tickets like that for another 3 months and never hit anything and still with in the odds of losing.

                        RJOh

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                          Posted: November 18, 2004, 4:11 pm - IP Logged

                          with this pick 4 never having winners and now the scratch off scam i have to say the indiana lottery must be corrupt,has to be...........i mean like jeff said in other states your seeing multiple winners everyday and tens of thousands in winnings and then you got indiana never having a winner and then maybe 4 or 5 thousand won in a day then you got the scratch off scam,those lottery officials in indiana need to be questioned and probed,jeff i'd see about maybe getting with a few other disgruntled lottery players there and get something going,if i was there i'd definitely do it,i mean this is not a hint of corruption its full blown in our faces corruption................

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                            Posted: November 18, 2004, 4:28 pm - IP Logged

                            Jeff 12 million is chicken feed where advertising is concerned. Lotteries typically sell more scratch offs then pick 3 and 4's. Reason for more scratch offs sold than tickets sales. It's just easier to ask for a scratch off then to ask for a pick 3 or 4 you don't have to fill out a play slip. And I hate to say this but I've been to some tickets retailers and if you ask for a pick 3 or 4 ticket without filling out a play slip. Your told to fill one out. For some people this is a turn off and they leave the store without buying tickets. Die hard lottery players already know about this and come prepared. Almost every state has more scratchers sold than anything else. While this doesn't answer your question. I still think people aren't picking winning numbers there because their not playing the right numbers or there's some kind of percentage pay out based on number of pick 4 ticket sales.

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                              Posted: November 18, 2004, 4:48 pm - IP Logged

                              RJOh: I am not saying that there is a conspiracy going on.  Actually, I tend to be quite skeptical of anyone touting a conspiracy theory.  What I am saying is that it is very odd that Indiana is paying out so little.  To put the matter to rest, the best thing to do would be to get a sales report from Indiana, stating how many tickets were sold per drawing, and comparing that to the number of winners per drawing.  If the winner ratio is consistently lower than the odds of winning, then I would be suspicious.

                               

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