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Testing wheel 9,6,5,5

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I confused too, I thought you asked about the WR chances to be reduced more. Well, in CM, it will produce quite more lines (I don't remember how much it was, I've done this run a long time ago). In general, CM can produce WR results for small ticket wheels and many cases of xifx (this condition is mathematically more easy to construct). In overall, CM cannot be close to WR for larger wheels (e.g. 50-100+ tickets, depends on the case constructed) and particurarly when xify where x<y we have an increase of lines by a minimum of 10% and more generally. This is normal as any wheel constructor I've tested does about the same. ININUGA produces slightly better wheels (reduced tickets) but can't work for more than 32 balls or more than 1000 tickets and also it is very slow compared to CM for slightly bigger wheels.

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    Hi,



    Apapogeas, do you use the Jade Lottery System generator (freeware)?, I,m testing some wheels and comparing with CM and some WRW, the results of the Jade Wheels are interesting, the wheels are created automatically and you see the performance instantly, but you can't optimize as Covermaster, the optimization method of the Jade software is to do the wheel symmetric adding more lines (sometimes 100% more),



    The Jade system seems to be a good option for wheeling (but it needs the copy paste function), what do you think?

    Cya

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      No I don't know it but I've downloaded and tested it a bit. It gives me the impression of linear wheel building which is the fastest possible way to build a wheel but unfortunately it does not provide good results in terms of tickets needed to make a close cover wheel (however it gives equal results for open-cover wheels up to 80% usually). The coverage offered illustrates that too. I don't know if he does that but the speed of the system suggests me this approach. However, I can't understand what that symmetric thing is the way it is presented. Any ideas?

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        Hyperdimension and apagogeas,

        JADE LSG works a little differently than CM. CM is a very good wheel generator; great for coverage and optimzation. However, JADE LSG works on a different generation process that deals with probabilty distribution of draw occurrence and symmertic draw occurrence. Also, I tried to make JADE LSG versatile enough to allow a person using JADE LSG to fine tune the lines in a wheel. With CM you are fairly limited to what is produced, however, this should not take away from CM's abilities. Another thing to consider about JADE LSG is that when someone creates a wheel on their computer, the system has a high probability of being unique for the same set of parameters. Try generating a wheel with the same parameters and you'll find that the number combinations are not the same; except for full wheel generation. This means that some else generating a wheel with the same parameters is most likely not going to have the same system as you. If for example, some is using the same lottery analysis program comes up with the same numbers you decide to use, your system's wheel will be different, thus enabling you to be the one with the unique combiantion for the jackpot win; should that be the case.

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          Hi,

           JADELottery, thank you for the explanation of how Jade Lottery works, I like many properties of the JADE LSG, but the only option that JADE LSG doesn't have is the copy paste function needed for the study of the generated wheels..

          If you could add this option to your JADE LSG then the study of the wheels will be more interesting..

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            Hyperdimension,

            What version JADE LSG are you working with? The most current version is 1.5.34; it has a copy funtion for wheels generated and there is a pasted entry method under the Build menu that allows you to paste a system into JADE LSG. Keep in mind that you need to insert your numbers into the wheel to perform a copy of the system. You can copy the base wheel by inserting the numbers using the quick pick button and not changing the largest ball size, then do an insert sequence with the sorted option. This will allow you to copy the base system under the Edit menu by using Select All, then Copy Combinations Only.

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              Hi,

              JADELottery I'm iusing version 1.5.34, thank you for the tip , now I will analyze the JADE LSG wheels..

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                JADELottery, it is good to have several approaches to wheel designs. I'd like to ask you what your program tries to improve. I have analysed some wheels generated by your program and I have to say, the coverage in general is low. Lower coverage results in some better hit categories but at the same time, we increase the risk of not hitting as well. I assume your program does not take into account the coverage matter at all. I have generated two versions of the same wheel C(6,11,5,6)=19 (open-cover wheel) to compare with your program and mine.



                The results of the 6 hit category



                JADE Lottery system v1.5.34



                Details information on 6 hits

                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                              6       5       4       3       2       1       0   Total       %

                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                              1     0-3     2-7    6-12     2-6     0-1       0      19   4.11%

                              0       4     2-3    7-10     2-5     0-1       0       4   0.87%

                              0       3     2-6    4-12     0-6     0-2       0      30   6.49%

                              0       2     2-8    4-14     0-6     0-2       0     133 28.79%

                              0       1    3-10    3-15     0-6     0-2       0     184 39.83%

                              0       0      11       4       3       1       0       1   0.22%

                              0       0      10     4-6     2-5     0-1       0       8   1.73%

                              0       0       9     5-8     1-5     0-1       0      22   4.76%

                              0       0       8     7-9     1-4     0-1       0      33   7.14%

                              0       0       7    9-11     0-3     0-1       0      21   4.55%

                              0       0       6   11-12     1-2       0       0       7   1.52%

                      0h     443      92       0       0       0       0       0     462       

                      0% 95.89% 19.91%   0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.00%             



                Wheel Generator 1.4



                Details information on 6 hits

                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                              6       5       4       3       2       1       0   Total       %

                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                              1       0     2-6   11-15     0-2     0-1       0      19   4.11%

                              0       3     2-5    7-11     3-4       0       0      14   3.03%

                              0       2     3-8    4-11     1-5     0-1       0     122 26.41%

                              0       1     5-9    4-12     0-6     0-1       0     284 61.47%

                              0       0       9     6-7     2-4     0-1       0       9   1.95%

                              0       0       8     7-9     1-4     0-1       0      13   2.81%

                              0       0       7      10       1       1       0       1   0.22%

                      0h     443      23       0       0       0       0       0     462       

                      0% 95.89%   4.98%   0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.00%   0.00%             



                From what I can see here, the coverage offered is about 80% by JADELottery program and 95% by WG1.4. Additionally, I can't see those huge hit iprovements to excuse that great loss in coverage. So, I'm concerned about what JADE Lottery wheels try to improve. Can you also explain the symmetric matter?

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                  Hi,

                   Apapogeas, could you please show the tickets of the 2 wheels C(6,11,5,6)=19 , I want to do a fast analysis with LottodesignerXL (Nick Koutras) and see the UWR (quality of the wheel) of both wheels.

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                    I'll do it for this time only, as the wheels I generate intended for use in Lotto Architect and offer optimized characteristics. Do your analysis and post the results. Wheels displayed C(6,11,5,6)=19 (open-cover)



                    JADE Lottery wheel



                    01 02 03 04 07 10

                    01 02 03 06 07 09

                    01 02 04 05 06 08

                    01 02 04 05 07 10

                    01 02 04 05 08 11

                    01 03 05 06 08 11

                    01 03 05 06 09 11

                    01 03 05 07 09 11

                    01 03 06 07 08 10

                    01 04 05 07 08 09

                    01 05 06 07 10 11

                    02 03 04 07 09 11

                    02 03 05 06 09 10

                    02 04 06 08 10 11

                    02 04 08 09 10 11

                    02 05 07 08 10 11

                    03 04 07 08 09 10

                    03 05 06 09 10 11

                    04 06 07 08 09 11



                    Wheel Generator wheel



                    01 02 03 04 08 09

                    01 02 04 05 07 11

                    01 02 05 06 08 10

                    01 02 06 07 08 11

                    01 02 06 09 10 11

                    01 03 04 05 09 10

                    01 03 04 06 08 11

                    01 03 05 06 07 09

                    01 03 05 07 10 11

                    01 04 07 08 09 10

                    02 03 04 06 07 10

                    02 03 04 07 09 11

                    02 03 04 08 10 11

                    02 03 05 06 09 11

                    02 05 07 08 09 10

                    03 04 05 06 07 08

                    03 06 08 09 10 11

                    04 05 06 07 10 11

                    04 05 06 08 09 11

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                      Covermaster can easily create the second wheel.

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                        Yes Datenda, this is a small wheel and I used it to understand what JADE wheeler does. This goes worse with CoverMaster with larger wheels though. All my tests so far show a reduction of tickets required and also better hit ratios & improved coverage using my program. Just try to generate open cover wheels with CM at about 95% or above and see the differences. My favourite category is 5if6.

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                          Hi,




                          The result of the UWR analysis (LottoDesignerXL by Nick Koutras) is next:

                          LD(11,6,5,6)=19-1353  JADE Lottery wheel
                          LD(11,6,5,6)=19-1166  Wheel Generator wheel

                          Low UWR better quality of wheel.

                          The result of Lexicograph analysis (using Saliu and Koutras software) is next:

                          Jade Lottery


                          n1n2n3n4n5n6  Lex
                          123471014
                          12367938
                          12456858
                          124571064
                          124581168
                          1356811168
                          1356911170
                          1357911176
                          1367810183
                          145789207
                          15671011237
                          2347911282
                          2356910295
                          24681011351
                          24891011357
                          25781011370
                          3478910409
                          35691011423
                          4678911451


                          Wheel Generator 1.4





                          n1n2n3n4n5n6  Lex
                          12348916
                          124571165
                          125681097
                          1267811114
                          12691011121
                          1345910139
                          1346811148
                          135679163
                          13571011177
                          1478910227
                          2346710270
                          2347911282
                          23481011286
                          2356911296
                          2578910368
                          345678379
                          36891011433
                          45671011440
                          4568911442



                          Maximum combinations covered by each block in both wheels 381,

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                            Hyperdimension, the lexicograph analysis does not offer any information of wheels performance. Each combination assigned a unique number (the Lex) in an ordered sequence.

                            1 2 3 4 5 6 -> 1

                            1 2 3 4 5 7 -> 2 etc.

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                              Hi,

                               Apapogeas, please read the next article of Ion Saliu http://www.saliu.com/bbs/messages/772.html

                               In the article Saliu used the lexicographic analysis to study the wrwheel (49,6,3,6)=163, and also a wheel index that offers symmetry, to test the performance of both wheels..

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