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konane's avatar - wallace
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Posted: May 2, 2005, 8:57 am - IP Logged

Back when "Lotto World Magazine" was being published in the early-mid 90's there were many articles about how balls were weighed machines tested, how handlers of balls wore gloves when placing them in the machines to prdvent even the weight of hand oil from influencing the outcome of draws, how both pre-tests of ballsets were done prior to drawings, same with post-tests to assure randomness, ballsets periodically retired.  At that time they cited Texas as a lottery offering the the greatest amount of up front disclosure about its efforts to achieve randomness.

If there is any form of conspiracy to effect outcomes of ball-drop drawings, it is the best kept secret in the world.

However I do NOT  have the same degree of faith in random number generators currently being used by lotteries too slack to perform ball drops where players can watch what's happening!! 

What the public isn't aware is lotteries can write off as a dead expense against income all costs of doing ball drop drawings just like advertising, so using random number generators is a sorry excuse for laziness of state lotteries using them. 

Amazing things can happen behind closed doors when money is the motivator!! 

Good luck to everyone!

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    Seems that if any of us could figure it out we'd be sitting pretty with the winning ticket.  It's actually a phenomena which drives people nuts trying to figure it out, to control it ... including lottery directors. 

    If you have a handle on it, am all ears!! 





    there is any form of conspiracy to effect outcomes of ball-drop drawings, it is the best kept secret in the world.





    However I do NOT  have the same degree of faith in random number generators currently being used by lotteries too slack to perform ball drops where players can watch what's happening!!





    Seems to me there's another alternative to flawed machines, conspiracies, mistakes and anomalies with the process.  These drawings are taking place over a wide range  of geographies and administrative structures, methods of generating them going from computers to physical ball flyers.  They're just too widespread for there to be any conspiracy involved, but too strangely, unexplainedly consistent and persistent. 





    I have my own theories about what's going on, but I'd offer the suggestion that you have to look outside human manipulations to find any answers.  I don't believe humans have a lot of control over it, once they settle back and allow the balls or electrons to do whatever they're inclined to do.  Having said that, I'd also observe that my saying it doesn't have much bearing on whether it's true or not.  But if there's anything to what I'm saying, here are some numbers that ought to be popping up today hither thither and yon:












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      Correction..... it's too late to edit that, so I'll just post it .... disregard those numbers up there.  Here are the ones I should have posted .... numbers I believe will be rearing their heads, sniffing the air, whinnying and trotting off to join the herds:








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      Jack

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        Posted: May 3, 2005, 8:08 pm - IP Logged

        Aye,

        I'm still looking over the numbers in CT's Pick 5 and Pick 6 games.  Unfortunately the 5/35 and 6/44 matrices are not all that similar.

        I think konane has a good point...these things happen from time to time, and we notice them because they do match.  Think of all the occasions when the numbers don't match.

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          Likely that's probably it.  One of those things that just happens from time to time. 

          If it happened on Mega Millions tonight, however, this would probably include a lot of the numbers that hit:

           



          4


          5


          6


          7


          8


          13


          14


          16


          19


          20


          21


          22


          27


          28


          29


          35


          39


          40


          47


          48


          The proof of the pudding, my old granny used to say, is in the teeth you break eating it.

          Jack

           

           

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            Posted: May 6, 2005, 11:08 pm - IP Logged


            does anybody think the balls could be messed with?

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              Posted: May 6, 2005, 11:09 pm - IP Logged


              i don't think the balls could be if security measures are in place...

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                I dunno, Mike.  If someone's doing it, they go way back and cut a wide geographical swath.  It's difficult to imagine why they'd do it, want the same numbers to hit during the same dates over so many years and so many lotteries.  Here's a complete history of MM, Texas Lotto and PB draws on the 6th and 7th of May, along with current from CA Lotto, Canada, Super Lotto South, etc:





















































































































































                CAN Sup 7



                CAN 5/7/2005



                5



                11



                17



                25



                26



                47



                Sup Lotto S



                SLS 5/7/2005



                3



                10



                13



                24



                26



                47



                Tx Lotto



                5/7/2005



                17



                24



                25



                26



                33



                33



                CA Lotto



                CA 5/7/2005



                12



                14



                19



                43



                47



                19



                PB



                5/7/2005



                21



                23



                39



                44



                47



                19



                MM past



                5/7/1999



                12



                21



                30



                35



                49



                15



                MM past



                5/7/2002



                2



                22



                26



                39



                40



                11



                MM past



                5/7/2004



                14



                17



                19



                44



                50



                17



                PB past



                5/7/2003



                13



                18



                34



                35



                51



                28



                Tx Lotto past



                5/7/2003



                1



                11



                17



                28



                41



                40



                MM current



                5/6/2005



                7



                12



                25



                50



                51



                19



                MM past



                5/6/2003



                5



                14



                32



                44



                39



                24



                Tx Lotto past



                5/6/2000    



                5



                11



                19



                42



                43



                48




                A person might as well ask himself why the same numbers happen to pop up all over the map at the same time year after year. 

                To ask himself whether someone is messing with it, why they're messing with it, how they're messing with it, and how they managed to do it for so long a time without getting themselves caught certainly dovetails with the modern love affair with conspiracies, but Occam's razor just doesn't let that possibility into the final equation.

                Sometimes the simple explanation has to be the only one left when you peel away everything else.  The management has done everything in their power to keep this from happening.  Those lotteries have had matrix changes, even the number of balls involved on those lotteries has changed and changed again.  Canada Super 7 ain't even a six ball affair... it's 7.

                The simple explanation:  It's just one of those things that happens. 

                Or, if you prefer a metaphysical approach, those balls are a manifestation of something else. 

                Most likely, something we haven't allowed ourselves to consider, examine, investigate, because we know so much about what is not happening, what can't be happening, because we're really smart that way and know stuff.  We're so stuffed with common knowledge, statistics, scientific rules we just know for a fact the other simple explanation is the one that applies.

                We can ( to paraphrase one of the posters on another thread about this phenomenon) be sure it's not anything metaphysical involved here, not the balls making up their own minds when to hit, not some unnamed energy from the universe influencing them, not anything of that sort. 

                Just one of those things that happens, time to time, or maybe someone messing with the balls.

                Jack

                 

                 

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                  I see the quilt thing isn't working.... the colors cause the numbers to be unreadable on my screen after I made that last edit.  So here are the same draws and numbers in black and white, back before they invented color:





















































































































































                  CAN Sup 7



                  CAN 5/7/2005



                  5



                  11



                  17



                  25



                  26



                  47



                  Sup Lotto S



                  SLS 5/7/2005



                  3



                  10



                  13



                  24



                  26



                  47



                  Tx Lotto



                  5/7/2005



                  17



                  24



                  25



                  26



                  33



                  33



                  CA Lotto



                  CA 5/7/2005



                  12



                  14



                  19



                  43



                  47



                  19



                  PB



                  5/7/2005



                  21



                  23



                  39



                  44



                  47



                  19



                  MM past



                  5/7/1999



                  12



                  21



                  30



                  35



                  49



                  15



                  MM past



                  5/7/2002



                  2



                  22



                  26



                  39



                  40



                  11



                  MM past



                  5/7/2004



                  14



                  17



                  19



                  44



                  50



                  17



                  PB past



                  5/7/2003



                  13



                  18



                  34



                  35



                  51



                  28



                  Tx Lotto past



                  5/7/2003



                  1



                  11



                  17



                  28



                  41



                  40



                  MM current



                  5/6/2005



                  7



                  12



                  25



                  50



                  51



                  19



                  MM past



                  5/6/2003



                  5



                  14



                  32



                  44



                  39



                  24



                  Tx Lotto past



                  5/6/2000    



                  5



                  11



                  19



                  42



                  43



                  48




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                    Here's a history of all the Powerball, Mega Millions and TX Lotto drawings on the 10th of May:

                     


















































                    Powerball



                    5/10/2003



                    1



                    2



                    6



                    10



                    20



                    38



                    MM



                    5/10/2002



                    1



                    7



                    35



                    38



                    49



                    10



                    TX Lotto



                    5/10/2000    



                    14



                    23



                    32



                    37



                    41



                    45



                    TX Lotto



                    5/10/1997    



                    12



                    15



                    22



                    38



                    40



                    47




                     

                    Looks as though only 10, 38 and 1 are lovelorn about May 10.

                     

                    Jack

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                      Posted: May 13, 2005, 5:39 am - IP Logged

                      thanks for the info....

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                        Not a problem, Mike.

                        A person scouting around looking for numbers to play on a 13th of the month drawing might find himself attracted to some of these, provided he sees things mostly in black and white:








































































































































                        PB 11/13/2004



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                        6



                        26



                        33



                        34



                        13



                        PB 10/13/2004



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                        45



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                        41



                        PB 3/13/2004



                        11



                        44



                        45



                        48



                        50



                        2



                        PB 12/13/2003



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                        19



                        25



                        26



                        44



                        19



                        PB 9/13/2003



                        6



                        10



                        19



                        28



                        32



                        39



                        PB 8/13/2003



                        26



                        31



                        35



                        44



                        48



                        32



                        PB 11/13/2002



                        18



                        23



                        31



                        38



                        50



                        20



                        PB 7/13/2002



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                        22



                        37



                        42



                        49



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                        PB 5/13/2000



                        1



                        3



                        27



                        38



                        42



                        24



                        MM 5/13/2003



                        17



                        20



                        47



                        49



                        50



                        34



                        TX 5/13/2000    



                        12



                        24



                        25



                        29



                        33



                        34



                        TX 5/13/1998    



                        5



                        14



                        18



                        36



                        39



                        45




                         

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                          Posted: May 27, 2005, 9:41 am - IP Logged

                          Something mildly interesting: 

                          Wed, May 25, 2005 Powerball 27-29-31-42-46, Powerball: 33

                          Sat, May 25, 2002 Powerball 09-29-30-33-42, Powerball: 27

                          Four of the same numbers drawn on the same date, three years apart means the coincidence coordinators are doing some fancy acrobatics, seems to me.

                          Jack

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                            Posted: May 27, 2005, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

                            wouldn't it be something if the balls were influenced this whole time behind the scenes and manipulated and weighted to come in but we just never caught on,for instance powerball started hitting a lot early this year and now there is another major jackpot run.could those technical difficulties the other night on powerball really be something going on there that we don't know about?

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                              Posted: May 27, 2005, 4:34 pm - IP Logged

                              Mike:

                              This is from a couple of pages back, but it still probably applies:

                              "Seems to me there's another alternative to flawed machines, conspiracies, mistakes and anomalies with the process.  These drawings are taking place over a wide range  of geographies and administrative structures, methods of generating them going from computers to physical ball flyers.  They're just too widespread for there to be any conspiracy involved, but too strangely, unexplainedly consistent and persistent"

                              I'm willing to entertain the conspiracy theory on condition that you explain why and how they'd managed to do it all these years.  The why for the dearth of roll-overs is easy enough to construct a motive around..... they wanted to justify a matrix change, maybe.  The how is easy.... they just shoot out a quick pick that's a winner every draw.

                              That's just one lottery, one season.  Even that would require a number of people to know about it .....  Getting other lotteries to participate, thinking up a reason for them to, figuring how they'd keep someone from getting miffed and spilling the beans for so long a time just doesn't sound plausible to me.

                              If you'd like to share a conspiracy theory that takes those factors into account and offers a workable explanation I'd be interested in reading it.

                              But if there's not a conspiracy, how do you propose to account for this:

                              Wed, May 25, 2005 Powerball 27-29-31-42-46, Powerball: 33

                              Sat, May 25, 2002 Powerball 09-29-30-33-42, Powerball: 27

                              And other similar happenings.... I had some examples ready to post and managed to delete them.... there's no undo button here, so I'd have to look them up again to show them.  But you get the picture.

                              Jack